Evolution vs. Creation

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#76541 Feb 19, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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CYBELE with hindsight and taking a look at the page, i urgently suggest you take a look at wiki for a better explanation of the higgs-boson.(shock and all that god-particles brrr)
I still go for Geons.
How is higgs-boson different from prime matter?

here's a 3 min explanation of prime matter that make up the element hydrogen

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#76542 Feb 19, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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How is higgs-boson different from prime matter?
here's a 3 min explanation of prime matter that make up the element hydrogen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =eXRSHkO05bkXX
Do we know this prome matter exists? how?

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#76543 Feb 19, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Do we know this prome matter exists? how?
The theory makes sense considering hydrogen is the lightest and simplest element and the most abundant in the universe. Hydrogen bond is critical in overall stability of DNA. So it's a key to life creation.

"Hydrogen is a chemical element. Its atomic number is 1, which makes it the simplest, known element in the entire universe.[4] Hydrogen is the true primordial substance, the first atom produced after the big bang. All chemical elements were formed from hydrogen by the processes of nuclear fusion." - wiki

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#76544 Feb 19, 2013
Speaking of that goddamn particle:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/18/us-...

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#76545 Feb 19, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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The theory makes sense considering hydrogen is the lightest and simplest element and the most abundant in the universe. Hydrogen bond is critical in overall stability of DNA. So it's a key to life creation.
"Hydrogen is a chemical element. Its atomic number is 1, which makes it the simplest, known element in the entire universe.[4] Hydrogen is the true primordial substance, the first atom produced after the big bang. All chemical elements were formed from hydrogen by the processes of nuclear fusion." - wiki
Again, do we know that this prime matter exists? is it just another theory like dark matter?

Most things i have read suggest that hydrogen was not the only element to come out of the cooling universe. other light elements were there also.

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#76546 Feb 19, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Again, do we know that this prime matter exists? is it just another theory like dark matter?
Most things i have read suggest that hydrogen was not the only element to come out of the cooling universe. other light elements were there also.
Other elements were there but hydrogen was produced first. Do you know how other elements were formed? Hydrogen has one electron and one proton and the other elements have combination of electrons and protons and neutrons.

from yahoo:

The more gas there is, the higher the compression, and the hotter it gets. A star is a mass of trillions of tonnes of gas that has contracted till it has heated up to billions of degrees. The compression and temperature is so great, that atoms of hydrogen are fused together to form helium.

When the hydrogen is all fused, then further compression will cause the helium to fuse to form other elements. Elements hydrogen, helium, lithium, berrberylliumon and carbon are formed in this way.

Elements more complex than carbon cannot be fused in a star - it takes the massive energy of an exploding star to form the other elements of which the earth (and us) is composed. We are therefore composed in part from stardust of an exploding star.

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#76547 Feb 19, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Other elements were there but hydrogen was produced first. Do you know how other elements were formed? Hydrogen has one electron and one proton and the other elements have combination of electrons and protons and neutrons.
from yahoo:
The more gas there is, the higher the compression, and the hotter it gets. A star is a mass of trillions of tonnes of gas that has contracted till it has heated up to billions of degrees. The compression and temperature is so great, that atoms of hydrogen are fused together to form helium.
When the hydrogen is all fused, then further compression will cause the helium to fuse to form other elements. Elements hydrogen, helium, lithium, berrberylliumon and carbon are formed in this way.
Elements more complex than carbon cannot be fused in a star - it takes the massive energy of an exploding star to form the other elements of which the earth (and us) is composed. We are therefore composed in part from stardust of an exploding star.
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com
yeah, yeah...I took 7th grade science class. again, how does anyone know this prime matter exists.

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#76548 Feb 19, 2013
MikeF wrote:
Speaking of that goddamn particle:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/18/us-...
First if a massive asteroid hits Earth, we're doomed especially if it hits a nuclear plant. And when Earth is gone, it will affect the moon and it will affect the other planets. It will affect our solar system and the sun will die out like death of stars and galaxies. But I don't think it would be the end of the universe. The universe will continue to exist. But it will be different.

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#76549 Feb 19, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yeah, yeah...I took 7th grade science class. again, how does anyone know this prime matter exists.
just like how we think the higgs-boson exists

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#76550 Feb 19, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Hmm. SZ babbling BS again. Go figure.
"According to a survey of members of the American Assn. for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center in May and June this year, a majority of scientists (51%) say they believe in God or a higher power, while 41% say they do not."
If you want to make a point about me you should have quoted me. So what are you trying to refute with this post? There are all kinds of scientists. Physicists have a higher percentage of atheists than chemists. And believing in God does not mean that you do not believe the theory of evolution.

So I seriously don't think you made a point since you forgot to quote properly.

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#76551 Feb 19, 2013
I see that Langoliers is misreading the PEW poll. Yes, atheism does have a higher percentage that leave it than religions do. Yet it is growing faster than religions according to the PEW poll too. How could that be?
And the fact that Atheism is growing faster than religions is the critical number. One of the reason that atheism loses people is that many people do get tired when fighting the majority. Since atheism is growing faster than religion that will not always be a problem.

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#76552 Feb 19, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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just like how we think the higgs-boson exists
But we have actually created the higgs boson. has anyone ever created any prime matter that can be detected?

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#76553 Feb 19, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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First if a massive asteroid hits Earth, we're doomed especially if it hits a nuclear plant. And when Earth is gone, it will affect the moon and it will affect the other planets. It will affect our solar system and the sun will die out like death of stars and galaxies. But I don't think it would be the end of the universe. The universe will continue to exist. But it will be different.
An asteroid hitting a nuclear plant would not destroy the earth. If all the nuclear plants on the Earth exploded at once, they would not destroy the earth. they may kill most of the life here if they did, but they would not destroy the earth.

Why would the sun die out if the planets were gone? it would continue burning its fuel as always.

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#76554 Feb 19, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>An asteroid hitting a nuclear plant would not destroy the earth. If all the nuclear plants on the Earth exploded at once, they would not destroy the earth. they may kill most of the life here if they did, but they would not destroy the earth.
Why would the sun die out if the planets were gone? it would continue burning its fuel as always.
I didn't say it would destroy the earth. It would take more than one nuclear explosion to destroy the earth. But all life will be gone though. If you look at the link Mike provided, it's talking about what could happen billions of years from now. The sun will die out just like any other stars. Unless you believe that the sun has eternal life. But the expanding universe will continue...

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#76555 Feb 19, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>But we have actually created the higgs boson. has anyone ever created any prime matter that can be detected?
So you the higgs-boson actually exists now? Wow you're ahead of CERN. They only "found" a particle that acts like it.

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#76556 Feb 19, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I didn't say it would destroy the earth. It would take more than one nuclear explosion to destroy the earth. But all life will be gone though. If you look at the link Mike provided, it's talking about what could happen billions of years from now. The sun will die out just like any other stars. Unless you believe that the sun has eternal life. But the expanding universe will continue...
it would take more than all of our nukes exploding at once on top of all our nuclear plants to destroy the earth.

So what was all that stuff about the earth being gone and destroying the moon and the other planets about?

yes, the sun will run out of fuel in a few billion years. probably kill all life on earth in a little under one billion years as it increases its output.

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#76557 Feb 19, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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So you the higgs-boson actually exists now? Wow you're ahead of CERN. They only "found" a particle that acts like it.
They seem pretty certain they created and detected one. they usually do not make such claims lightly.

has anyone ever made any such claim about this prime matter?

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#76558 Feb 19, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>They seem pretty certain they created and detected one. they usually do not make such claims lightly.
has anyone ever made any such claim about this prime matter?
No they have not created one yet. Right now CERN is not even at work. It's under maintenance.

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#76559 Feb 19, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually it would only be clear if there were clear contemporary accounts.
Since there isn't then it is also possible that he was made up, just like every other religion.
No. It is not true. There were Jewish conspiracy. Jesus truly existed...

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#76560 Feb 19, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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No they have not created one yet. Right now CERN is not even at work. It's under maintenance.
ya might want to check up on their past work...sheesh!

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