Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 209801 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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bohart

White Pine, TN

#76493 Feb 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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No need. I was correct when I demonstrated that chemistry creates life by natural means. So subsequently you responded with mockery rather than rebuttal. For mockery to work it needs to be combined with a rational point, or at the very least a modicum of wit. You lack both.
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Can you please provide scientific evidence which is objectively verifiable via the scientific method that such an entity exists?
If you could you would be Jesus.
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Thus it violates your rule that "life MUST come from life!"
Twice.
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... within its own axioms, sure.
Just as a mathematical model for a 2 dimensional universe is logical. And so is a mathematical model for a 16 dimensional universe. However they cannot logically co-exist.
Unless they exist as separate universes within a multiverse.
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Your baseless and subjective opinion is based only on your own ignorance and incredulity.
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Not necessarily accidental. For example rain doesn't fall by "accident", although there is no mechanism of intelligence necessary for it to occur.
Besides, now you are dishonestly switching subjects (again) from abio to universal origins.
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Not necessarily, as most pre-Big Bang hypotheses posit a "something". Which we HAVE been through before, it's just you have a short memory.
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Purpose and meaning are subjective. Direction is all directions. Discovered by Hubble.
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Lying to the extent you do is irrational as it does not help your case. If you had one. Now let's evaluate the rationality of your position:
An invisible magic Jew wizard got bored for eternity so decided to make the universe for the explicit purpose of testing humans on their worthiness for eternal slavery. This wizard who had a nose, belly-button, fingers, toes, backside, male genitalia and a beard decided to make STUPID humans, tell them not to eat from a tree which he could have quite easily made too high behind an electrical fence in another country on another planet in another galaxy on the far side of the universe, but instead put it within easy reach, lied to them, and what's more made an evil talking lizard to tempt them into eating from it in order to see if he would embrace the virtue of ignorance, which they subsequently failed because god being god already knew what was gonna happen anyway and then condemn the WHOLE of humanity for the actions of his own kids which he couldn't control. And anyone from then on who didn't do what he wanted was to be tortured for all eternity by some horny red fella with a pitchfork. Oh, and he made talking donkeys too and left the message of "TRUTH" with a bunch of superstitious goat-herders who thought the Earth was flat. After a few genocides but before the really big one at the end.
Were you a kidnapper with scissors at some point in your life?

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#76494 Feb 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Since I've told you a thousand times over that I AGREE with this point your continued usage of this argument toward me must be because you are (still) dishonest.
And no-one can still falsify the FSM either.
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Doesn't matter.
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Maybe. Maybe not. Or maybe God is COMPLETELY different to how you think it is.
If to you your creator is a FSM, i really think that is your headache. But God almighty, the creator, is the creator of the brain.
You just admitted that science has some limitations, thanks for that admission.

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#76495 Feb 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Lizards and donkeys don't talk. The sun appeared before plants. The Earth is not flat. Ergo the Bible does at least contain some fictional elements.
If you don't know, Dude, there is nothing impossible before God.
You don't understand the bible, you lack the spiritual understanding of it.
Isa. 40 vs 22, will tell you more.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#76496 Feb 18, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
List of arguments for creationists to avoid--and arguments to never use—by the 'Answers in Genesis' people.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/t...
But, but, but... that's ALL of them!

*bookmarked*

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#76497 Feb 18, 2013
Humanoid wrote:
<quoted text>"....the Bible contains SOME fictional elements".....Really, are you sure? The first sentence should have raised some red flags.........."God created the Heavens and the earth"..........thats just about enough fiction for one day.
So, tell me Mr. Know all, who created the heavens and the earth?

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#76498 Feb 18, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Well I don't know if a lizard can talk, but an ass has been using your keyboard for some time.
Lol

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The Borderland of Sol

#76499 Feb 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Actually it isn't. Egypt has no such myth. It is a one sided story.
And just think of it, how could a people be lost for forty years in a desert that is 150 miles wide. A fast tortoise could cross it in a month.
Hehehe.

The lead elements of that train woulda been in Israel while the tail was still in Egypt.

Shoulda taken maybe a week.

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#76500 Feb 18, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, sure.
Including JWs, Catholics, Mormons, Christian Scientists, snake-wrigglers and the Westboro Baptists.
Whatever, i am not a judge. Jesus christ, the king of kings is one.
bohart

White Pine, TN

#76501 Feb 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
No need. I was correct when I demonstrated that chemistry creates life by natural means. So subsequently you responded with mockery rather than rebuttal. For mockery to work it needs to be combined with a rational point, or at the very least a modicum of wit. You lack both.
<quoted text>
Can you please provide scientific evidence which is objectively verifiable via the scientific method that such an entity exists?
If you could you would be Jesus.
<quoted text>
Thus it violates your rule that "life MUST come from life!"
Twice.
<quoted text>
... within its own axioms, sure.
Just as a mathematical model for a 2 dimensional universe is logical. And so is a mathematical model for a 16 dimensional universe. However they cannot logically co-exist.
Unless they exist as separate universes within a multiverse.
<quoted text>
Your baseless and subjective opinion is based only on your own ignorance and incredulity.
<quoted text>
Not necessarily accidental. For example rain doesn't fall by "accident", although there is no mechanism of intelligence necessary for it to occur.
Besides, now you are dishonestly switching subjects (again) from abio to universal origins.
<quoted text>
Not necessarily, as most pre-Big Bang hypotheses posit a "something". Which we HAVE been through before, it's just you have a short memory.
<quoted text>
Purpose and meaning are subjective. Direction is all directions. Discovered by Hubble.
<quoted text>
Lying to the extent you do is irrational as it does not help your case. If you had one. Now let's evaluate the rationality of your position:
An invisible magic Jew wizard got bored for eternity so decided to make the universe for the explicit purpose of testing humans on their worthiness for eternal slavery. This wizard who had a nose, belly-button, fingers, toes, backside, male genitalia and a beard decided to make STUPID humans, tell them not to eat from a tree which he could have quite easily made too high behind an electrical fence in another country on another planet in another galaxy on the far side of the universe, but instead put it within easy reach, lied to them, and what's more made an evil talking lizard to tempt them into eating from it in order to see if he would embrace the virtue of ignorance, which they subsequently failed because god being god already knew what was gonna happen anyway and then condemn the WHOLE of humanity for the actions of his own kids which he couldn't control. And anyone from then on who didn't do what he wanted was to be tortured for all eternity by some horny red fella with a pitchfork. Oh, and he made talking donkeys too and left the message of "TRUTH" with a bunch of superstitious goat-herders who thought the Earth was flat. After a few genocides but before the really big one at the end.
All right Dude, here's your big chance, tell the world..........How did chemistry create the first lifeform?

Because your damn lies about chemistry creating life through natural means is sickening.

Existing life creates life ! you damn liar!

A liar for the goo!

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#76502 Feb 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Chuckles the Clown believes that because he cannot understand the concept of evidence no one can understand the concept of evidence. A mental disability called "projections", or assigning your faults to others.
You really need to understand what i was trying to pass.
The most intelligent men of the earth that we are using their laws, theorems, theories, technologies and inventions. Where are they today? DEAD!
Good luck?

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#76503 Feb 18, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You really need to understand what i was trying to pass.
The most intelligent men of the earth that we are using their laws, theorems, theories, technologies and inventions. Where are they today? DEAD!
Good luck?
What? Try once more. In English this time please. I don't speak gibberish.

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#76504 Feb 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually it isn't. Egypt has no such myth. It is a one sided story.
And just think of it, how could a people be lost for forty years in a desert that is 150 miles wide. A fast tortoise could cross it in a month.
No one would really want to accept a stinking defeat, it is a shame on the part of the mighty Egyptian to be defeated by their own slaves, no one would want to put down such a story.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#76505 Feb 18, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>This theory is open for debate by all and it does no harm. SCPID has no connection with malware.
This was a deja vu experiences. And just like the last time you entered some thread leave scpid and Dude jumps in to answer.

It is by the way related to malware. You did not invent that yourself.

I was stuck in the other thread page 500:
polymath257 wrote:
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This is a mischaracterization. ATLAS did confirm the 126 GeV Higgs using the ZZ channel. There is a larger signal than expected in the diphoton channel. This *could* be a sign of supersymmtery, but let's wait until more data comes in. There is a discovery for the Higgs.
http://www.science20.com/quantum_diaries_surv ...
But they would only declare it a valid result at a higher Sigma value/chance.
I find that good science.
Another unexpected outcome connected with that, seems to be that we have lighter and heavier H-bosons.
And I understood that supersymmetry would not work <~200 GeV.
Though reading back i saw you stating ~100 GeV.
Was that under or precisely round that value?
So are there two limits for super-symmetry?

Never saw the answer to that one, by the way.

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#76506 Feb 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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What? Try once more. In English this time please. I don't speak gibberish.
You have already responded in English already.
Every sane being, will definitely understand my positions.
You really do need a medical examination.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#76507 Feb 18, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You have already responded in English already.
Every sane being, will definitely understand my positions.
You really do need a medical examination.
Nope sorry, not gonna fly Chuckles. By the way, you probably meant a mental examination. Someone who could speak English would have said that. Too bad your English is so faulty.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#76508 Feb 18, 2013
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/143497-cer...
13 dec 2012 but they confirmed to sigma 7.
In 2015 the LHC in CERN starts up again, than actual confirmation should follow.
And Cybele the site links to an explanation as to what what a higgs-boson actually is.

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The Borderland of Sol

#76509 Feb 18, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> No one would really want to accept a stinking defeat, it is a shame on the part of the mighty Egyptian to be defeated by their own slaves, no one would want to put down such a story.
And yet there ARE records of every Egyptian defeat. That's how we know they happened.

Not the Israelite legend, though.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#76510 Feb 18, 2013
Establishing whether supersymmetry is correct is the next major step. If it isn't, then figuring out what dark matter is composed of is an alternative. Either way, the dark matter question is a very important one.

wrote polymath

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#76511 Feb 18, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>And yet there ARE records of every Egyptian defeat. That's how we know they happened.
Not the Israelite legend, though.
There is just the little issue of the Hittites connection to Israel and their writings and that of Merneptah confirming each other.
So were did all those Hittites mysteriously disappear to after ruling Egypt?

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#76512 Feb 19, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Nope sorry, not gonna fly Chuckles. By the way, you probably meant a mental examination. Someone who could speak English would have said that. Too bad your English is so faulty.
Oops Subtles, but i want you to know that, medical is also right. Medical is general while mental is particular or specific.

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