Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216695 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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bohart

White Pine, TN

#76434 Feb 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually you ain't proved me wrong yet.
Scientifically speaking you are nothing more than a walking talking bag of chemical processes.
Ergo, chemistry creates life via natural means.
And your own rule that "life MUST come from life!" is broken by you. Twice. Because:
1 - God is "life" but does not come from life.
2 - God creates life via ARTIFICIAL means, not via natural procreation.
Since I HAVE pointed this out to you numerous times over and you HAVEN'T been able to rebut it the obvious conclusion is that you're incapable of any kind of intellectual honesty.
Cue lame bohart jokes.
<quoted text>
Nope. I point out the science as it stands then you lie because you're a typical fundie liar for Jesus.
<quoted text>
Ad-homs do not constitute a valid argument. Since you do not address the actual content of my posts we know not to expect one.
Ergo chemistry creates life by natural means"
Has the can of whammo slime arrived yet?
take your chemical slime and set it in the window for the sun to shine on it, poly says light will activate the life process.

Now find 10 or 12 other puddle gooists and pool your intelligence .God is life, an eternal source of this life,he exists outside this universe that he made, and all life was began by this entity.Its logical, because the alternative is comical.It's either that ,or all that exists , came into being by accident ,from nothing, for no purpose, with no meaning, and absolutely no direction.Thats not only illogical, its irrational.No sentient being not bound up in denial or with some simmering hatred for God would believe that.
Humanoid

Kansas City, MO

#76435 Feb 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Lizards and donkeys don't talk. The sun appeared before plants. The Earth is not flat. Ergo the Bible does at least contain some fictional elements.
"....the Bible contains SOME fictional elements".....Really, are you sure? The first sentence should have raised some red flags.........."God created the Heavens and the earth"..........thats just about enough fiction for one day.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#76436 Feb 18, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
Ergo chemistry creates life by natural means"
Has the can of whammo slime arrived yet?
take your chemical slime and set it in the window for the sun to shine on it, poly says light will activate the life process.
Now find 10 or 12 other puddle gooists and pool your intelligence .God is life, an eternal source of this life,he exists outside this universe that he made, and all life was began by this entity.Its logical, because the alternative is comical.It's either that ,or all that exists , came into being by accident ,from nothing, for no purpose, with no meaning, and absolutely no direction.Thats not only illogical, its irrational.No sentient being not bound up in denial or with some simmering hatred for God would believe that.
you have absolutely no proof whatsoever of your "god is life' bullshit. No proof at all that any god exists even? why do you believe that, and more importantly, why do you mock people that use given, verifiable evidence that suggest plausible accurances? is it that you are unhappy being in a cult you know is based on a lie?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#76437 Feb 18, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Are you a worshipper of Vishnu?
If you don't know, God is one. Others are sub gods or goddesses.
Oh, like Catholic saints.

Gottit.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#76438 Feb 18, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Interesting!
But sad to say, because they( atheist) hate hearing that, atheism in actual sense, is a religion or faith.
Nonsense.

Whether 5% or 95% believe, science doesn't give a sh!t.

'Cos it works.
bohart

White Pine, TN

#76439 Feb 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Lizards and donkeys don't talk. The sun appeared before plants. The Earth is not flat. Ergo the Bible does at least contain some fictional elements.
Well I don't know if a lizard can talk, but an ass has been using your keyboard for some time.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#76440 Feb 18, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Those different sects are just man made doctrines, but in actual sense, they are all united under one umbrella, Christ!
Christ is not 35000, but one.
Yeah, sure.

Including JWs, Catholics, Mormons, Christian Scientists, snake-wrigglers and the Westboro Baptists.
bohart

White Pine, TN

#76441 Feb 18, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>you have absolutely no proof whatsoever of your "god is life' bullshit. No proof at all that any god exists even? why do you believe that, and more importantly, why do you mock people that use given, verifiable evidence that suggest plausible accurances? is it that you are unhappy being in a cult you know is based on a lie?
Tick,Tick...."verifiable evidence", that isn't true, there is none , and you know it, there never has been.Which places you into one of the catagories, a simmering hatred of God,and how he runs the universe or just run of the mill denial.Oh! maybe both.
'

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#76442 Feb 18, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
According to Exodus 12:37-38, the Israelites numbered "about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children," plus many non-Israelites and livestock.[15] Numbers 1:46 gives a more precise total of 603,550.[16] The 600,000, plus wives, children, the elderly, and the "mixed multitude" of non-Israelites would have numbered some 2 million people,[17] compared with an entire Egyptian population in 1250 BCE of around 3 to 3.5 million.[18] Marching ten abreast, and without accounting for livestock, they would have formed a line 150 miles long.[19]
No evidence has been found that indicates Egypt ever suffered such a demographic and economic catastrophe or that the Sinai desert ever hosted (or could have hosted) these millions of people and their herds.[20] Some scholars have rationalised these numbers into smaller figures...
A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[3] and most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit".[
And it somehow took 'em 40 years to cross a 150-mile-wide desert.

Apparently the brain-trust leaders of these desert people couldn't figure out that when you want to go West, start with the sunrise at your back. Or Polaris on your left.

Instead, they spend decades tediously mucking about with pillars of fire and columns of smoke.

Their lead elements shoulda been in Israel while the tail was still in bloody Egypt.

Does anyone else find this odd?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#76443 Feb 18, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, sure.
Including JWs, Catholics, Mormons, Christian Scientists, snake-wrigglers and the Westboro Baptists.
Speaking of which...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/west...
bohart

White Pine, TN

#76444 Feb 18, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>you have absolutely no proof whatsoever of your "god is life' bullshit. No proof at all that any god exists even? why do you believe that, and more importantly, why do you mock people that use given, verifiable evidence that suggest plausible accurances? is it that you are unhappy being in a cult you know is based on a lie?
One other thing, its your own theories that mock you, how life began,.....light shining on atoms,a primordial sea stirred by winds and currents, lightning striking a collection of compounds,radiation ,chemicals poofing,aliens deposting life forms!
anything but a creator! because the truth is you and your ilk cannot possibly deal with those implications...Denial

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#76445 Feb 18, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
Tick,Tick...."verifiable evidence", that isn't true, there is none , and you know it, there never has been.Which places you into one of the catagories, a simmering hatred of God,and how he runs the universe or just run of the mill denial.Oh! maybe both.
'
sure there is... i given it to you often... you just keep lying to yourself...like most cult members.

how could i hate a myth? your god doesn't even have the ability to generate hate...let alone anything a universe...
bohart

White Pine, TN

#76446 Feb 18, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>sure there is... i given it to you often... you just keep lying to yourself...like most cult members.
how could i hate a myth? your god doesn't even have the ability to generate hate...let alone anything a universe...
Sure there is? yeah, who's lying?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#76447 Feb 18, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure there is? yeah, who's lying?
you. openly and repeatedly..like most cult members.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#76448 Feb 18, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure there is? yeah, who's lying?
If you want evidence all you have to do is to apologize for your idiocy and ask nicely. Of course first you have to learn what evidence is and why it is defined that way.

We are always happy to help.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#76449 Feb 18, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
One other thing, its your own theories that mock you, how life began,.....light shining on atoms,a primordial sea stirred by winds and currents, lightning striking a collection of compounds,radiation ,chemicals poofing,aliens deposting life forms!
anything but a creator! because the truth is you and your ilk cannot possibly deal with those implications...Denial
Seems like it's you that can't deal with not being specially created...just another lifeform.

most well adjusted b\people can handle that. not you...

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#76450 Feb 18, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Speaking of which...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/west...
Hmm.

Not genetic after all, it seems.

That blows ol' Fred's last possible defence outta the water.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#76451 Feb 18, 2013
bohart wrote:
Ergo chemistry creates life by natural means"
Has the can of whammo slime arrived yet?
take your chemical slime and set it in the window for the sun to shine on it, poly says light will activate the life process.
Now find 10 or 12 other puddle gooists and pool your intelligence.
No need. I was correct when I demonstrated that chemistry creates life by natural means. So subsequently you responded with mockery rather than rebuttal. For mockery to work it needs to be combined with a rational point, or at the very least a modicum of wit. You lack both.
bohart wrote:
God
Can you please provide scientific evidence which is objectively verifiable via the scientific method that such an entity exists?

If you could you would be Jesus.
bohart wrote:
is life, an eternal source of this life,he exists outside this universe that he made, and all life was began by this entity.
Thus it violates your rule that "life MUST come from life!"

Twice.
bohart wrote:
Its logical
... within its own axioms, sure.

Just as a mathematical model for a 2 dimensional universe is logical. And so is a mathematical model for a 16 dimensional universe. However they cannot logically co-exist.

Unless they exist as separate universes within a multiverse.
bohart wrote:
because the alternative is comical.
Your baseless and subjective opinion is based only on your own ignorance and incredulity.
bohart wrote:
It's either that ,or all that exists , came into being by accident
Not necessarily accidental. For example rain doesn't fall by "accident", although there is no mechanism of intelligence necessary for it to occur.

Besides, now you are dishonestly switching subjects (again) from abio to universal origins.
bohart wrote:
from nothing
Not necessarily, as most pre-Big Bang hypotheses posit a "something". Which we HAVE been through before, it's just you have a short memory.
bohart wrote:
for no purpose, with no meaning, and absolutely no direction.
Purpose and meaning are subjective. Direction is all directions. Discovered by Hubble.
bohart wrote:
Thats not only illogical, its irrational.
Lying to the extent you do is irrational as it does not help your case. If you had one. Now let's evaluate the rationality of your position:

An invisible magic Jew wizard got bored for eternity so decided to make the universe for the explicit purpose of testing humans on their worthiness for eternal slavery. This wizard who had a nose, belly-button, fingers, toes, backside, male genitalia and a beard decided to make STUPID humans, tell them not to eat from a tree which he could have quite easily made too high behind an electrical fence in another country on another planet in another galaxy on the far side of the universe, but instead put it within easy reach, lied to them, and what's more made an evil talking lizard to tempt them into eating from it in order to see if he would embrace the virtue of ignorance, which they subsequently failed because god being god already knew what was gonna happen anyway and then condemn the WHOLE of humanity for the actions of his own kids which he couldn't control. And anyone from then on who didn't do what he wanted was to be tortured for all eternity by some horny red fella with a pitchfork. Oh, and he made talking donkeys too and left the message of "TRUTH" with a bunch of superstitious goat-herders who thought the Earth was flat. After a few genocides but before the really big one at the end.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#76452 Feb 18, 2013
bohart wrote:
No sentient being not bound up in denial or with some simmering hatred for God would believe that.
So what you're saying is that anyone who doesn't agree with your baseless religious opinions which you are unable to demonstrate scientifically MUST therefore be denying evidence which you CANNOT provide and hate something which as far as can be scientifically determined may not even exist at all in the first place.

And apparently you're the rational one.

Hating wilful ignorance is not the same as hating God. Your problem is that you put your god in the position of being synonymous with your wilful ignorance.

But that doesn't help a good old fundie martyr complex, does it?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#76453 Feb 18, 2013
Humanoid wrote:
<quoted text>"....the Bible contains SOME fictional elements".....Really, are you sure? The first sentence should have raised some red flags.........."God created the Heavens and the earth"..........thats just about enough fiction for one day.
Actually it is always possible that (a) God (or Gods) created the universe.

It's also possible that it/they are not necessary.

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