Evolution vs. Creation

[The Dude]

zander714 wrote:

Science refuses to look at itself with the same criteria that it places upon natural world.

What a silly thing to say.

[The Dude]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> You have not address the question, though indirectly.

I've addressed you directly hundreds and hundreds of times over. You in turn are incapable of addressing anything.

So you see now why your post is particularly ironic.

Charles Idemi wrote:

Then, what is now the essence of the debate?

There is no debate. Never has been. The essence of all the fuss is that a bunch of reality-denying fruitcakes take ancient parables literally even if they were never meant to be and so claim that reality is not real because an invisible Jewish wizard did things differently.

[The Dude]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> Then answer the question, how did the universe came into form?
The credit are not to humans, plants nor animals, then to who?

You assume a "who" is necessary. Until we have more information it would be far more appropriate to say "what".

But leaving aside the question of the singularity itself, so far the evidence points to the Big Bang.

[The Dude]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> Foul!
Isa. 40 vs 22.
Read that!
The bible is real. Period.

Yes, the Bible is real. That is not always the case for the claims in its collection of stories however. Period.

The Bible is not true just because the Bible sez so.

Herod was a real guy.

His order to kill babies cannot be verified.

Talking lizards and donkeys never existed.

Period.

[The Dude]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> Wrong!
I am an educationist, Business Administrator and a minister of the gospel.
By the grace of God that is an achievement.

So is climbing the stairs.

By the way, "educationist" is showing as wrong on my spell check.

With good reason.

In just this one case however I will let you off since English is not your first language.

Oh, and I'm still waiting on that 500 quid for letting you use it.

[The Dude]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> Wrong!
Why were Newton, Copernicus, Galileo, etc, firm believers of God ?
Faith made them to have that.

Yes, but that has little to do with their contributions to science.

Sure, Newton may have said God was his inspiration, but his theory of gravity was still inaccurate.

And are Francis Collins and Ken Miller believers of God? Why yes they are!

And they still think fundie YECism is complete bollox. With good reason.

[The Dude]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> Foul!
All christians globally, believes in the existence of God, Satan, Angels, Spirits and Demons.
Period!

The reality is likely quite different. You have no idea how nuanced Christianity can be. After all there are numerous sects, all with their own different ideas of how it works. Dogen who posts with us lot is a Buddhist Christian for example, IIRC.

[The Dude]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> Foul!
All christians globally, believes in the existence of God, Satan, Angels, Spirits and Demons.
Period!

Oh, and you completely avoided my post again to go off on another tangent.

Probably had something to do with the fact that my post was right.(shrug)

[The Dude]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> The concept of faiths are applied daily in our beliefs, works, professions and religions.
Just understand the meaning of that word.

I do. Remember, it's MY word. Not yours. I own it. By your own admission. And that being the case I'm pulling rank and telling you straight up that you're using it wrong.

No-one needs faith to know that a steamroller is gonna make someone flat if they get in the way.

And man, you've been steam-rolled so many times.

[The Dude]

Thomas Robertson wrote:

<quoted text>
What has a scientist who was an atheist ever done to hurt you?

Just disagreed with him.

To disagree with Chuck is to disagree with God Almighty Himself.

Chuck says so.

Oddly enough, God didn't even mention him.(shrug)

[The Dude]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> Fine, disagreements are normal.
But the bible stands out for every true believers of Christ.

Sure it does. Hence "Christian". But since they all disagree over the correct way to interpret it...

And that's just the KJV which has already been translated into English FOR them.(shrug)

[The Dude]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> I worship the living God, by name YAHWEH, with every fibre of my soul.
Can you fight death? if you can, then you can fight God.

Funny, I thought all you needed was an iron chariot or some Egyptian magic.

According to the Bible anyway.

[The Dude]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> Define study?
That is indeed a dishonest answer.

Chuck, you're a big fat massive hypocritical dishonest liar for Jesus. Not an insult, just an observation. So that means you don't really get to claim others are dishonest.

[The Dude]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> Give me three archaeological evidence for Harry Porter?

Charing Cross Road, King's Cross Station (both in London), and Egypt.

[forreal]

I love the way the History Channel says that an astroid Killed all the Dinosaurs!LOL One thing I have known all my Life an animal will always find a wayt live but Humans the find ways o die!LOL

[forreal]

Humans not astroids are killing the animals!!!LOL

[Langoliers]

Subduction Zone wrote:

<quoted text>It is not just denial. We have evidence that supports our claims.

You and your side do not have evidence that back yours.

We probably know the Bible better than you do. For example, we probably know the Ten Commandments better than you do.

oh nice that's another lie! Have you no shame!

[Langoliers]

thewordofme wrote:

<quoted text>Of course my denial doesn't prove it wrong,

"Of course my denial doesn't prove it wrong"

Good we have that settled.

[Langoliers]

woodtick57 wrote:

how come Russia gets all the really cool meteorites?!

Because they are really returning space craft that we sent out. They just don't land very good some times.

[Langoliers]

zander714 wrote:

Science refuses to look at itself with the same criteria that it places upon natural world.

There is no mirror in the science community. They all look out never in.