Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Feb 16, 2013
 
Ah the hydrogen issue and WMAP and the flat universe.
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_matter....

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Feb 16, 2013
 
Thomas Robertson wrote:
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Now tell me how the universe came into form?
Gee, I don’t know!
First, there was an ocean upon which a giant snake floated. Vishnu rested on this snake. A lotus flower sprung from Vishnu’s umbilicis, and from that lotus flower came Brahma. And from Brahma came all that is in the universe.
That’s one story.
The Ancient One, known as Unkulunkulu, is the Zulu creator. He came from the reeds and from them he brought forth the people and the cattle. He created everything that is: mountains, streams, and snakes. He taught the Zulu how to hunt, how to make fire, and how to grow food. He is considered to be the First Man and is in everything that he created.
That’s another story.
In the beginning, there was only darkness. Suddenly there emerged emerged a disc which was yellow on one side and white on the other side. The Creator, a bearded man, sat inside the disk. He looked in different directions, thereby creating light, the dawn, the clouds, and three other gods. From the sweat of the four gods, he made a small ball. The four gods kicked the ball until it grew into the earth.
That’s another story.
In the beginning, there was only an ocean. All the animals lived in the sky, where it was crowded. One day, a water beetle came to explore the earth. He explored below the surface and brought mud to the surface. He kept this up until the mud became land.
That’s another story.
First, the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. He was intoxicated at the time, hence the many imperfections. To test the faith of his followers, the Monster falsified the radiocarbon dating results with his noodly appendage.
That’s another story.
So I’m all confused.
If I understand you correctly, the burden of proof is on the party receiving a message and doubting its truth. I can’t disprove any of these stories.
That means I have to believe all of them.
How can I believe all of them if they contradict each other?
And again, others do worship this God through gods, goddesses, mediums, etc.
God is just one, others are minors.

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Feb 16, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Answer the question, how did the universe came into existence or form?
I want a vivid or clear response in English.
Watch and learn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Read the forum, SZ has answered that extensively.
Faith sometimes has nothing to do with anything you pose.
We however have no faith that you are functionally literate.
Opinions are always subjective to the senders, Kashmir, yours are no different.

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Feb 16, 2013
 
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Watch and learn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
You need orientation and education, indeed.

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Feb 16, 2013
 
What does Richard Dawkins, a mortal, understood about the origin of the universe?

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Feb 16, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
What does Richard Dawkins, a mortal, understood about the origin of the universe?

Danged if I know.
Why are you bringing his name up?

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Feb 16, 2013
 
Sorry, Charles.
Was that Youtube link to something by Dawkins?
We can't get Youtube in China.

Anyway, this is about #76210.
You said:

"Opinions are always subjective to the senders, Kashmir, yours are no different."

You're a fine one to tell someone else that.

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Feb 16, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You need orientation and education, indeed.
YOU=I
WMAP proved we live in a flat universe
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Watched it yet.

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Thomas Robertson wrote:
Sorry, Charles.
Was that Youtube link to something by Dawkins?
We can't get Youtube in China.
Anyway, this is about #76210.
You said:
"Opinions are always subjective to the senders, Kashmir, yours are no different."
You're a fine one to tell someone else that.
It´s a weird way to tell anyone that!

A universe from nothing. The physicist Lawrence Krauss explaining how the universe was measured, what it consists of and the flat shape of it and why. Quantum fluctuation can cause the universe. No excess energy to start with. The cosmological constant causes it to speeed up. Confirms WMAP.
Hubblediagrams through time.
Takes us through the history of physics also.
If you look at the news on your right, he is mentioned.
Funny saying, Forget about jesus, the stars died for us.

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MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>YOU=I
WMAP proved we live in a flat universe
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Watched it yet.
Read the book of Isaiah 40 verse 22 and be silenced forever.

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MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>YOU=I
WMAP proved we live in a flat universe
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Watched it yet.
It might 'appear' to be flat at this time, with current scientific understanding...the same as the earth was consider flat at one time but was later discarded...

Never the less...why aren't the obvious intrinsic intelligent processes that govern the Universe never addressed by science?

These processes are the very foundation in the belief in God.

But yet, science refuses to look at the actual processes behind the Universe...

Science just calls these processes "natural" ("Existing in or caused by nature")but never really questions the actual processes directly.

Why?

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MAAT wrote:
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It´s a weird way to tell anyone that!
A universe from nothing. The physicist Lawrence Krauss explaining how the universe was measured, what it consists of and the flat shape of it and why. Quantum fluctuation can cause the universe. No excess energy to start with. The cosmological constant causes it to speeed up. Confirms WMAP.
Hubblediagrams through time.
Takes us through the history of physics also.
If you look at the news on your right, he is mentioned.
Funny saying, Forget about jesus, the stars died for us.
Science is an ideology, that for the most part is anti-religion...
There are really only two ways to look at the creation of the Universe...either it is the result of a inconceivable intelligence ...or it somehow magically manifested itself out of nothing?

So which is more rational?

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"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

Observer effect (physics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_...

"However in quantum mechanics, which deals with very small objects, it is not possible to observe a system without changing the system, so the observer must be considered part of the system being observed."

..."and God saw that it was good."

omnipresent...

Adjective:

1. Present everywhere at the same time.

Luke 17:21
"nor will they say,‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

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So Isaiah 40:22 calls the world a circle.
Does that mean the world isn’t flat?
Pizzas are circles, but pizzas are flat.
Furthermore, if you put that verse in context, you find that God is up there, sitting on his throne, and watching all the people, who appear to him like grasshoppers.
If the world is round, he can only watch half of us at one time.
Anyway, either the Book of Isaiah was a group project or Isaiah contradicted himself, because Isaiah 11:12 says,“He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.”
Those four corners, whatever they are amd wherever they are, get a lot of attention in the Bible.
Job 37:3 says,“Under the whole heaven he lets it go, and his lightning to the corners of the earth.” Job 28:24 and Job 38:13 likewise speak of “the ends of the earth.”
Revelation 7:1 speaks of “four angels standing on the four corners of the earth.”
How do you explain the tree which Nebuchadnezzar saw?
According to Daniel 4:10-11, he had a vision of a “tree in the midst of the earth ...and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth.”

Also, there are verses which state that the earth is immovable ( I Chronicles 16:30; Psalm 93:1; Psalm 96:10; Psalm 104:5; Isaiah 45:18).

Also, how did Satan take Jesus on a mountain top and show him all the nations of the world (Matthew 4:8)? And how is it possible that “every eye shall see him” when Jesus appears in the clouds (Revelation 1:7)?

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“The very comprehensibility of the world points to an intelligence behind the world. Indeed, science would be impossible if our intelligence were not adapted to the intelligibility of the world. The match between our intelligence and the intelligibility of the world is no accident. Nor can it properly be attributed to natural selection, which places a premium on survival and reproduction and has no stake in truth or conscious thought. Indeed, meat-puppet robots are just fine as the output of a Darwinian evolutionary process.”

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“The complexity of the simplest known type of cell is so great that it is impossible to accept that such an object could have been thrown together suddenly by some kind of freakish, vastly improbable, event. Such an occurrence would be indistinguishable from a miracle.”

&#8213; Michael Denton

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#76224
Feb 16, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong!
It is a statement of defeat.
No, it is an honest statement regarding the knowledge of the one making the statement.

"God did it" is a statement of laziness and pure unadulterated ignorance... and you have it in spades.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You need orientation and education, indeed.
So you have no understanding of physics. Thanks for the info Chuckles.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Read the book of Isaiah 40 verse 22 and be silenced forever.
Isa. 40:21 Have ye known him sitting AND Isa 40:22
Rethoric Questionmark inferred.
None has ofcourse, it is inspirational talk.
No mention whatsoever of shutting up.
But you should learn to read the bible.

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