Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Feb 16, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong!
It is a statement of defeat.
No, it is an honest statement regarding the knowledge of the one making the statement.

"God did it" is a statement of laziness and pure unadulterated ignorance... and you have it in spades.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You need orientation and education, indeed.
So you have no understanding of physics. Thanks for the info Chuckles.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Read the book of Isaiah 40 verse 22 and be silenced forever.
Isa. 40:21 Have ye known him sitting AND Isa 40:22
Rethoric Questionmark inferred.
None has ofcourse, it is inspirational talk.
No mention whatsoever of shutting up.
But you should learn to read the bible.

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zander714 wrote:
The refusal to acknowledge intelligent design in the universe laughable.
Please, intelligent design is laughable. Why do you think they call those who believe that nonsense IDiots.

Come back when you think you have something.

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xxxooxxx wrote:
The complexity of the simplest known type of cell is so great that it is impossible to accept that such an object could have been thrown together suddenly by some kind of freakish, vastly improbable, event. Such an occurrence would be indistinguishable from a miracle.
&#8213; Michael Denton
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the obvious intrinsic intelligent processes

inferred in the infinitesemally small, in all.

Well it@s alltogether not that obvious since thingies that small repulse each other. We frankly end up with more nothing.

But nothing happened suddenly.(that should be cryptic enough to satisfy any religion') It took however a long time to make a start of our environment and life but once it got going it snowballed.

But only in revelation you find god of the universe.
Not in Job.
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Feb 16, 2013
 
Thomas Robertson wrote:
So Isaiah 40:22 calls the world a circle.
Does that mean the world isnt flat?
Pizzas are circles, but pizzas are flat.
Furthermore, if you put that verse in context, you find that God is up there, sitting on his throne, and watching all the people, who appear to him like grasshoppers.
If the world is round, he can only watch half of us at one time.
Anyway, either the Book of Isaiah was a group project or Isaiah contradicted himself, because Isaiah 11:12 says,He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Those four corners, whatever they are amd wherever they are, get a lot of attention in the Bible.
Job 37:3 says,Under the whole heaven he lets it go, and his lightning to the corners of the earth. Job 28:24 and Job 38:13 likewise speak of the ends of the earth.
Revelation 7:1 speaks of four angels standing on the four corners of the earth.
How do you explain the tree which Nebuchadnezzar saw?
According to Daniel 4:10-11, he had a vision of a tree in the midst of the earth ...and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth.
Also, there are verses which state that the earth is immovable ( I Chronicles 16:30; Psalm 93:1; Psalm 96:10; Psalm 104:5; Isaiah 45:18).
Also, how did Satan take Jesus on a mountain top and show him all the nations of the world (Matthew 4:8)? And how is it possible that every eye shall see him when Jesus appears in the clouds (Revelation 1:7)?
ARe YyOU dRunkk?

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#76232
Feb 16, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Hence the insults. But actually can any insult or disprove God? no one!
Again, who's trying to disprove your deity?

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> There are differences between books for sale and ordinary books for relaxation.
Projects, seminars and thesis, can name or quote any authority without their permissions.
What in Bog's name are you babbling about now?

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#76234
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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I will not blame you over this response, spirituality or simply spiritual matters is/ are not your strong suit.
If by that you mean that _I_ still don't believe in YOUR hallucinations, you're right.
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Feb 16, 2013
 
Langoliers wrote:
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oh nice that's another lie! Have you no shame!
Irony meter go boooooooom.
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bohart wrote:
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KA-BOOM! and the universe and all life emerges to form what Einstein called a ordered comphrehensible universe. From an explosion?..ha...ha,ha,.....ha ,ha,ha,Dude you've got a career in comedy on the horizon, or a stay in the nut house .
Not an "explosion", but an expansion of space-time. Keep in mind the words you ascribe to Einstein here are subjective. Also keep in mind that even Einstein could be wrong, such as his ideas about a steady-state universe.

By the way, if the universe was "comprehensible", then how come that no-one on the planet knows for definite how it started?

All I did was point out that at LEAST up until the point of singularity, the Big Bang is the ONLY scientific theory that makes successful scientific predictions based upon observable phenomena, such as predicting background radiation levels at approx 3 parts per million.

In fact when I say it's the only scientific theory that makes such predictions, not only that, it's the only theory in town.

I ain't seen YOU come up with anything better.(shrug)

And considering your extreme lack of education it's extremely likely that you ever will.
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Langoliers wrote:
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No your FSM is a myth God is real.
Now this will cause you pain because you understand the repercussion of the meaning to you of a real God. Good luck with that.
Ah, the good old fundamentalist revenge fantasy. You must be one of them "true Christians" we keep hearing about.

Fact is, the FSM is every bit as valid as your god. Both concepts are non-falsifiable.
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superwilly wrote:
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Oh yes, the city of Jerusalem, Rome, Herod and Pontious Pilate (who are documents, historical roman rulers of judea), the persecution of the early believers, which is documented, etc all worthless un substantiated myth!
Well quite possibly, yeah.(shrug)

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the...

Historical scholars are divided over whether or not Jesus actually existed. Keep in mind there are NO contemporary historical documents of Jesus' existence, and the first writings did not occur until around 93AD, nearly 60 years after his alleged death.

Some scholars think there was a real preacher whom which around the stories were created. Others think Jesus was a myth.

And as I said previously, that even if there was a guy called Jesus going around performing all sorts of magic tricks all over the Middle East all it would prove is that some guy was going around that had superpowers. It would NOT be evidence of an invisible Jewish wizard existing in some sort of multiverse. Your Jesus could easy have been a mutant or an alien from Krypton.

And I don't think you wanna start making claims about archaeology since in that area the Egyptians have you beat. By miles. All hail Ra.
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Feb 16, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Not only Herod many other biblical characters have been verified archaeologically.
Others not yet discovered can not make the bible to be false.
The bible once again, is real!
I pointed out to you the Egyptians got you beat. That was 6 months ago. Here you are again repeating the same lie.

Fact. There was no global flood. No Noah. No Adam and Eve. No talking lizards. No talking donkeys. And the Earth is DEFINITELY not flat.

So just because it got Herod right doesn't mean that other parts have not been falsified. Even the priesthood have known this for nearly 400 years.
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Feb 16, 2013
 
Langoliers wrote:
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Dead wrong!
Actually you have no basis from which to say science is wrong. Your position is invisible Jewmagic. So even if science WAS wrong - which it isn't, and you CERTAINLY lack the education to demonstrate such - we could also invoke magic and the claims would be JUST as equal to yours.

You can't win. Ever. The best you could ever get is a stalemate.

You may as well go home.
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#76243
Feb 16, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Point of correction, English is official to my country, we are well educated far and wide even more than your folks over there.
Most of my patriots, in the UK and US alone, tends to do better than their English, British and American counterparts.
By Educationist, i meant trained Teacher or Professional in the field of Education( Teaching, Lecturing, Examining and Supervising, etc).
Then I pity your students...
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Feb 16, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And again, like i earlier said, your educational background in Government and History is zero( nought).
I have asked you before, why colonialism? due to poor foundation in the above subjects you could not.
Now, despite the negative nature of colonialism, there are some good, they are:
Schools, Research centres, Linguistic or language studies, etc, which were not really free. A good example is, Harvard, Yale, Queen's college, etc.
Bub, YOUR education in history is zero.

That's why you favour apologetics instead of scholarship.

So either you know a lot about history and are just lying about it, or you're lying about your history education.

Either way, you're dishonest. But then most of us around here already know you're just another typical liar for Jesus.(shrug)
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#76245
Feb 16, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong!
Are you trying to discredit Newton?
Give me one inventions in your credit, you foul liar?
I'm not trying to discredit Newton. Einstein already did that. I'm not saying his scientific work was unimportant however. But then I DO have the benefit of hindsight and historical knowledge. YOU on the other hand DON'T.

So was Newton's theory of gravity accurate? NO. Not a lie. As demonstrated by:

1 - the orbit of Mercury which is inconsistent with Newton's theory.

2 - Einstein's theory of relativity, which was in turn superseded by:

3 - quantum mechanics.

And I also wasn't lying when I pointed out that Francis Collins and Ken Miller are scientists who are Christian, AND who accept evolution.

Unlike you Chuck, I did not lie.
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Feb 16, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Foul!
All true Christians teaches and preaches, the tenets or precepts of the bible( God and Jesus Christ).
Dogen is a follower of Zen and a Budhist.
I know him better than you.

Simple fact is that if ALL "true" Christians were reality-denying nutjob creationists like yourself, "true" Christianity would no longer be the most popular religion in the world.

An inconvenient fact you like to conveniently leave out when quoting numbers in regards to Christianity's popularity.

Because you're a typical creationist liar for Jesus.(shrug)
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Feb 16, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Give me three archaeological evidence for Harry Porter?
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Charing Cross Road, King's Cross Station (both in London), and Egypt.
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Like i said, you are a liar. We are not talking about places but people or characters.
Actually as you can see above YOU are lying and I am NOT. You made NO mention of people or characters but ARCHAEOLOGICAL evidence for Harry Potter. You asked for three, I gave them to you.

Now you are moving the goalposts, just as good little liars for Jesus always do when confronted by inconvenient facts.
Charles Idemi wrote:
Most novels, plays, etc, always talks about real places.
Arms and the man, A tale of two cities, Oliver Twist, Macbeth, etc, talked about real places.
Bingo. EXACTLY the point. Sherlock Holmes novels also mentioned real places. His house is actually a real address in London.

And there's this other novel you may have heard of about some groovy preacher fella, called Jesus. The novel is also known as... THE BIBLE.
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What ?
I am telling him to give me 3 characters that archaeology has verified in Harry Porter since he has been comparing it with the bible.
No, you did not mention CHARACTERS until AFTER your three pieces of archaelogical EVIDENCE was PROVIDED. You then moved the goalposts and NOW want evidence of the PEOPLE mentioned in those books.

The Bible mentioned Jesus. There is NO CONTEMPORARY archaelogical evidence of his existence. The first writings did not come until SIXTY YEARS LATER. Herod was a real guy. So was Pontius Pilate, but as we have now established his writings allegedly confirming Jesus have been falsified.

Sherlock Holmes novels also mentioned the Queen and the Prime Minister. But they're still just novels.
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Are you supporting him, Willy?
No, he's saying your actions are un-Christian. And if I didn't know fundies all too well, I would agree.
Charles Idemi wrote:
What are the evolutionist in the name of science always trying to do?
Answer those questions honestly.
They are NOT trying to falsify (a) God. Non-scientific concepts can't be falsified. And evolution makes NO theological claims. Hence why some Christians, scientists included ACCEPT evolution. FACT.

Sorry if you don't like it.(shrug)

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