Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 164419 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Humanoid

Kansas City, MO

#76285 Feb 17, 2013
bogart wrote:
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1 There has been evidence of the universes beginning, shattering the 19th century thought of an eternal universe.
2.There is zero evidence , ZERO, of the universe coming into being on its own, only the zealous puddle religionists believe that.
3. An intelligent agent causing the universe fits with # 1, and agrees with #2 that things need a cause.
As for you not believing it , you puddle goats have a favorite line ,...your incredulity is not an arguement.
Zero evidence is just admitting humans are clueless. Nothing to do with understanding, its unable to cope with not knowing about the world around them.So, no evigence is just the primitive human animal guessing or theorizing about their existence. And, most of the info in text or on the net they believe as true......Why not ask yourself, think for yourself, is that really true or just BS on a global scale.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#76286 Feb 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
"God is the Master Scientist Who keeps His theories to Himself."
God the Physicist:
We published a previous article on this internet site which suggested that the physicistís unseen Higgs Field was the same as our proposed undetected God Field. The Higgs field is essential to the structure of matter and in turn to life itself. Our thoughts were that at the time of the big bang, only God existed as unique Light Energy particles. We further suggested that these special resting Light Energy particles acted like a reverse black hole and contained the darkness and all the gaseous ingredients necessary to kick start our universe 14 billion years ago. At a time of Godís choosing, He caused or became the big bang, and today Godís Light Energy represents more than one billion quadrillion of these special particles. Godís energy particles are still geometrically increasing as our universe perpetually expands.
God the Microbiologist:
While the universe is approximately 14 billion years old, our earth did not form until 4.5 billion years ago and we did not see the first fossilized microorganisms until 3.8 billion years ago. But where did these bacteria come from? If you examine the scientific studies on the Origin of Life, you discover that scientists cannot tell you how life initially began, just like they cannot tell you what happened during those Divine moments before the big bang. Bacteria and other advanced life forms have DNA but you canít make DNA without enzyme proteins and you canít make enzyme proteins without DNA. Itís the chicken and egg hypothesis where you donít know which came first. No scientist in any laboratory has found a way to create macromolecules of DNA or enzyme proteins. So how did these fossilized microorganisms appear 3.8 billion years ago? Francis Crick the Nobel Laureate, who with James Watson solved the double helix structure of DNA, proposed that aliens on UFO spaceships brought these microorganisms to earth 3.8 billion years ago.
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/evidence-f...
Worth a repost:

http://humor.about.com/gi/o.htm...

I'd have put the whole thing in, but it won't fit.
Humanoid

Kansas City, MO

#76287 Feb 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Those are real science you mentioned. No one is refuting it.
Experience is the nectar of life. 2000 years ago humans thought the world was flat. Who made God? Today, they know there are to many galaxies to count, what will they know tomorrow. Deep space exploration holds the key to understanding human existence. The Bible story and evolution will be explained away by critical thinking, not by praying or bone collecting. We are on the edge of the truth. Most humans will never accept the truth. The "God seed" was planted or the bones/monkey DNA wont let the truth enter their gray matter. Logic will prevail. Humans think they cant be tricked......really?

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#76288 Feb 17, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Worth a repost:
http://humor.about.com/gi/o.htm...
I'd have put the whole thing in, but it won't fit.
hehehe

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#76289 Feb 17, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Please, only alkies are concerned about proof. Scientists work from evidence. You obviously work from alcohol.
that's only because Science has come up with nothing better then alcohol
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76290 Feb 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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There's only one flaw in your claim that the FSM is as valid as God...
everybody knows that the FSM was made up to mock the belief in God.
Surprise surprise, again you are incorrect. The FSM was not about mocking God, but actually about mocking the idea of teaching religious apologetics in public school science classes. So anyone, that includes theists AND atheists who agree with what you just said have completely missed the point.

Oh, and that STILL doesn't stop it from being possible that the FSM is the REAL creator of the universe, because you just don't know.
xxxooxxx wrote:
Your posts are so inconsistent, and fundamentally full of rhetorical BS that they don't even merit a reply. So I will not waste my time trying to address your constant flip flopping and obvious avoidance of the real issues at hand.
Talk about a serious case of projection. I have not avoided anything with you, and in fact have addressed them directly. Creo's tend not to extend the same courtesy.

That's your problem, not mine.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76291 Feb 17, 2013
Bluenose wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Dude, when did Chucky ever demonstrate the ability to understand English? Things must have changed a lot around here if that's the case...
Eh, good point.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76292 Feb 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Those are real science you mentioned. No one is refuting it.
Bingo. No-one's refuting biology either.(shrug) There are however a bunch of ignorant fundies with lots of money and political backing (note - no science backing) who like to pretend that religious apologetics is somehow relevant to science. But that's something totally different altogether.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76293 Feb 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
"God is the Master Scientist Who keeps His theories to Himself."
Bingo.

If (a) God exists, it certainly ain't helping us by sticking its arm down every now and then so we can do a blood test.

And then the same yo-yo's contradict themselves by claiming "evidence" supports Goddidit.

Me, I'm quite wary of anyone who says things like:

"We are offering a Free Connection to your deceased loved ones in Heaven"
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76294 Feb 17, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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that's only because Science has come up with nothing better then alcohol
Okay, so maybe there's an argument there...
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76295 Feb 17, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahh! the typical puddle gooist defense mechanism, when you lack the faith in the goo you lack education, yet the puddle gooists themselves have only a vague, unprovable theory of lifes beginnings....{ without testable hypotheses and repeatable results all you have is personal opinion, not actual knowledge}..
Actually Bo, if you remember your lame "puddle goo" jokes are in reference to abiogenesis, NOT the Big Bang. Which was what my post was referring to.

And actually the Big Bang DOES have repeatable results. Go outside and measure the redshift of all the other galaxies. Last time we checked about 99% of them were redshifted. If all of a sudden they show 99% blueshift, then we know either one of these two things:

1 - The Big Bang is wrong.

2 - Bo effed up the experiment somehow big time.
bohart wrote:
Damn! your lack of understandable knowledge concerning science renders you incapable of an informed opinon on the subject. Ergo you are a dumbass blinded by a zealous faith in nothing.
Stop blowing up the irony meters.

You responded with something else which was TOTALLY irrelevant to the post you quoted.

You can't even understand basic English, much less more complex concepts like science.

You are quite simply WAY out of your element.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76296 Feb 17, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
1 There has been evidence of the universes beginning, shattering the 19th century thought of an eternal universe.
And we call that current theory the Big Bang. So now you're agreeing with it whereas in your last post you tried arguing against it. Badly.

Although there are still various possible hypotheses as to the point where the universe reaches the singularity, and not all of them *necessarily* contradict the possibility of something always existing.
bohart wrote:
2.There is zero evidence , ZERO, of the universe coming into being on its own, only the zealous puddle religionists believe that.
Your lame "puddle" reference is about abiogenesis. Cosmologists who are more concerned with how the universe began don't tend to worry much about abiogenesis. But you can't help arguing against caricatures, can you?

So far all the evidence demonstrates is that the universe is here. Period. Whether an "intelligent agent" was necessary has no actual scientific evidence for or against either way.
bohart wrote:
3. An intelligent agent causing the universe fits with # 1, and agrees with #2 that things need a cause.
Actually it doesn't. For one thing, quantum phenomena do NOT require a cause, yet they are scientifically observed. And for another thing, you claim your "intelligent agent" did NOT have a cause because it "must" have been there for eternity. Such an entity by definition is a complete and total violation of the rule of cause and effect.
bohart wrote:
As for you not believeing it , you puddle gooists have a favorite line ,...your incredulity is not an arguement.
It has nothing to do with incredulity, since you are also incredulous of the concept. That's because EVERY time I ask you guys for evidence or an explanation of how it works you can't ever provide it.

So actually it has little to do with incredulity, and a whole LOT to do with the fact that you have a grand total of zero scientific evidence.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76297 Feb 17, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>SCPID theory is a good one!
Sorry, still don't care Mikey.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#76298 Feb 17, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
that's only because Science has come up with nothing better then alcohol
Right, alcohol was being made long before modern day science came around. Some historians credit alcohol for forming civilization.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#76299 Feb 17, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
that's only because Science has come up with nothing better then alcohol
And I was interrupted as I typed. Did you want to take another shot at the Ten Commandment question I gave you or do you want to know the answer?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76300 Feb 17, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Right, alcohol was being made long before modern day science came around. Some historians credit alcohol for forming civilization.
http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/6/0...

Beer is proof God wants us to be happy!

:-p

“‚ÄúYou must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#76301 Feb 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
"God is the Master Scientist Who keeps His theories to Himself."
God the Physicist:
We published a previous article on this internet site which suggested that the physicistís unseen Higgs Field was the same as our proposed undetected God Field. The Higgs field is essential to the structure of matter and in turn to life itself. Our thoughts were that at the time of the big bang, only God existed as unique Light Energy particles. We further suggested that these special resting Light Energy particles acted like a reverse black hole and contained the darkness and all the gaseous ingredients necessary to kick start our universe 14 billion years ago. At a time of Godís choosing, He caused or became the big bang, and today Godís Light Energy represents more than one billion quadrillion of these special particles. Godís energy particles are still geometrically increasing as our universe perpetually expands.
God the Microbiologist:
While the universe is approximately 14 billion years old, our earth did not form until 4.5 billion years ago and we did not see the first fossilized microorganisms until 3.8 billion years ago. But where did these bacteria come from? If you examine the scientific studies on the Origin of Life, you discover that scientists cannot tell you how life initially began, just like they cannot tell you what happened during those Divine moments before the big bang. Bacteria and other advanced life forms have DNA but you canít make DNA without enzyme proteins and you canít make enzyme proteins without DNA. Itís the chicken and egg hypothesis where you donít know which came first. No scientist in any laboratory has found a way to create macromolecules of DNA or enzyme proteins. So how did these fossilized microorganisms appear 3.8 billion years ago? Francis Crick the Nobel Laureate, who with James Watson solved the double helix structure of DNA, proposed that aliens on UFO spaceships brought these microorganisms to earth 3.8 billion years ago.
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/evidence-f...
liked the reply by macuzuhma.
But i think 'real' science (maybe you care to explain that term cybele) should be left to scientist and this kind of dawdling of acceptance is not to be incouraged for they are bound to get things wrong. Be it intentionally misrepresenting or not.
resting light particle??
Or what a higgs-boson particle actually is.

“‚ÄúYou must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#76302 Feb 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Sorry, still don't care Mikey.
Some Christians/creationists prefer ID or was it the systems breakdown due to malware creation idea?
SCPID, I keep forgetting what the acronym if any, is supposed to mean.

“‚ÄúYou must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#76303 Feb 17, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Right, alcohol was being made long before modern day science came around. Some historians credit alcohol for forming civilization.
Chicken or the egg.
polluted water made it smart to drink alcohol.
Humanoid

Kansas City, MO

#76304 Feb 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
And we call that current theory the Big Bang. So now you're agreeing with it whereas in your last post you tried arguing against it. Badly.
Although there are still various possible hypotheses as to the point where the universe reaches the singularity, and not all of them *necessarily* contradict the possibility of something always existing.
<quoted text>
Your lame "puddle" reference is about abiogenesis. Cosmologists who are more concerned with how the universe began don't tend to worry much about abiogenesis. But you can't help arguing against caricatures, can you?
So far all the evidence demonstrates is that the universe is here. Period. Whether an "intelligent agent" was necessary has no actual scientific evidence for or against either way.
<quoted text>
Actually it doesn't. For one thing, quantum phenomena do NOT require a cause, yet they are scientifically observed. And for another thing, you claim your "intelligent agent" did NOT have a cause because it "must" have been there for eternity. Such an entity by definition is a complete and total violation of the rule of cause and effect.
<quoted text>
It has nothing to do with incredulity, since you are also incredulous of the concept. That's because EVERY time I ask you guys for evidence or an explanation of how it works you can't ever provide it.
So actually it has little to do with incredulity, and a whole LOT to do with the fact that you have a grand total of zero scientific evidence.
This is what we know for sure: The Bible is a fabricated fable, period. Humans are not descendants or monkeys, even you agree with that statement. So, God is a Bible character, and monkeys are not your great, great lost relatives, that can mean only one thing. All those galaxies, somewhere out there advanced aliens are using the earth as a huge floating petri dish. That explains Project Blue Book and SETI.....because its not called Project God Book or GODI.......there dud now you know the truth about human existence.....your welcome.

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