Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221446 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#76291 Feb 17, 2013
Bluenose wrote:
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Sorry Dude, when did Chucky ever demonstrate the ability to understand English? Things must have changed a lot around here if that's the case...
Eh, good point.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#76292 Feb 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Those are real science you mentioned. No one is refuting it.
Bingo. No-one's refuting biology either.(shrug) There are however a bunch of ignorant fundies with lots of money and political backing (note - no science backing) who like to pretend that religious apologetics is somehow relevant to science. But that's something totally different altogether.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#76293 Feb 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
"God is the Master Scientist Who keeps His theories to Himself."
Bingo.

If (a) God exists, it certainly ain't helping us by sticking its arm down every now and then so we can do a blood test.

And then the same yo-yo's contradict themselves by claiming "evidence" supports Goddidit.

Me, I'm quite wary of anyone who says things like:

"We are offering a Free Connection to your deceased loved ones in Heaven"
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#76294 Feb 17, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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that's only because Science has come up with nothing better then alcohol
Okay, so maybe there's an argument there...
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#76295 Feb 17, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Ahh! the typical puddle gooist defense mechanism, when you lack the faith in the goo you lack education, yet the puddle gooists themselves have only a vague, unprovable theory of lifes beginnings....{ without testable hypotheses and repeatable results all you have is personal opinion, not actual knowledge}..
Actually Bo, if you remember your lame "puddle goo" jokes are in reference to abiogenesis, NOT the Big Bang. Which was what my post was referring to.

And actually the Big Bang DOES have repeatable results. Go outside and measure the redshift of all the other galaxies. Last time we checked about 99% of them were redshifted. If all of a sudden they show 99% blueshift, then we know either one of these two things:

1 - The Big Bang is wrong.

2 - Bo effed up the experiment somehow big time.
bohart wrote:
Damn! your lack of understandable knowledge concerning science renders you incapable of an informed opinon on the subject. Ergo you are a dumbass blinded by a zealous faith in nothing.
Stop blowing up the irony meters.

You responded with something else which was TOTALLY irrelevant to the post you quoted.

You can't even understand basic English, much less more complex concepts like science.

You are quite simply WAY out of your element.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#76296 Feb 17, 2013
bohart wrote:
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1 There has been evidence of the universes beginning, shattering the 19th century thought of an eternal universe.
And we call that current theory the Big Bang. So now you're agreeing with it whereas in your last post you tried arguing against it. Badly.

Although there are still various possible hypotheses as to the point where the universe reaches the singularity, and not all of them *necessarily* contradict the possibility of something always existing.
bohart wrote:
2.There is zero evidence , ZERO, of the universe coming into being on its own, only the zealous puddle religionists believe that.
Your lame "puddle" reference is about abiogenesis. Cosmologists who are more concerned with how the universe began don't tend to worry much about abiogenesis. But you can't help arguing against caricatures, can you?

So far all the evidence demonstrates is that the universe is here. Period. Whether an "intelligent agent" was necessary has no actual scientific evidence for or against either way.
bohart wrote:
3. An intelligent agent causing the universe fits with # 1, and agrees with #2 that things need a cause.
Actually it doesn't. For one thing, quantum phenomena do NOT require a cause, yet they are scientifically observed. And for another thing, you claim your "intelligent agent" did NOT have a cause because it "must" have been there for eternity. Such an entity by definition is a complete and total violation of the rule of cause and effect.
bohart wrote:
As for you not believeing it , you puddle gooists have a favorite line ,...your incredulity is not an arguement.
It has nothing to do with incredulity, since you are also incredulous of the concept. That's because EVERY time I ask you guys for evidence or an explanation of how it works you can't ever provide it.

So actually it has little to do with incredulity, and a whole LOT to do with the fact that you have a grand total of zero scientific evidence.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#76297 Feb 17, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>SCPID theory is a good one!
Sorry, still don't care Mikey.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#76298 Feb 17, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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that's only because Science has come up with nothing better then alcohol
Right, alcohol was being made long before modern day science came around. Some historians credit alcohol for forming civilization.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#76299 Feb 17, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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that's only because Science has come up with nothing better then alcohol
And I was interrupted as I typed. Did you want to take another shot at the Ten Commandment question I gave you or do you want to know the answer?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#76300 Feb 17, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Right, alcohol was being made long before modern day science came around. Some historians credit alcohol for forming civilization.
http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/6/0...

Beer is proof God wants us to be happy!

:-p

“‚ÄúYou must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#76301 Feb 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
"God is the Master Scientist Who keeps His theories to Himself."
God the Physicist:
We published a previous article on this internet site which suggested that the physicistís unseen Higgs Field was the same as our proposed undetected God Field. The Higgs field is essential to the structure of matter and in turn to life itself. Our thoughts were that at the time of the big bang, only God existed as unique Light Energy particles. We further suggested that these special resting Light Energy particles acted like a reverse black hole and contained the darkness and all the gaseous ingredients necessary to kick start our universe 14 billion years ago. At a time of Godís choosing, He caused or became the big bang, and today Godís Light Energy represents more than one billion quadrillion of these special particles. Godís energy particles are still geometrically increasing as our universe perpetually expands.
God the Microbiologist:
While the universe is approximately 14 billion years old, our earth did not form until 4.5 billion years ago and we did not see the first fossilized microorganisms until 3.8 billion years ago. But where did these bacteria come from? If you examine the scientific studies on the Origin of Life, you discover that scientists cannot tell you how life initially began, just like they cannot tell you what happened during those Divine moments before the big bang. Bacteria and other advanced life forms have DNA but you canít make DNA without enzyme proteins and you canít make enzyme proteins without DNA. Itís the chicken and egg hypothesis where you donít know which came first. No scientist in any laboratory has found a way to create macromolecules of DNA or enzyme proteins. So how did these fossilized microorganisms appear 3.8 billion years ago? Francis Crick the Nobel Laureate, who with James Watson solved the double helix structure of DNA, proposed that aliens on UFO spaceships brought these microorganisms to earth 3.8 billion years ago.
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/evidence-f...
liked the reply by macuzuhma.
But i think 'real' science (maybe you care to explain that term cybele) should be left to scientist and this kind of dawdling of acceptance is not to be incouraged for they are bound to get things wrong. Be it intentionally misrepresenting or not.
resting light particle??
Or what a higgs-boson particle actually is.

“‚ÄúYou must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#76302 Feb 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Sorry, still don't care Mikey.
Some Christians/creationists prefer ID or was it the systems breakdown due to malware creation idea?
SCPID, I keep forgetting what the acronym if any, is supposed to mean.

“‚ÄúYou must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#76303 Feb 17, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Right, alcohol was being made long before modern day science came around. Some historians credit alcohol for forming civilization.
Chicken or the egg.
polluted water made it smart to drink alcohol.
Humanoid

Kansas City, MO

#76304 Feb 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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And we call that current theory the Big Bang. So now you're agreeing with it whereas in your last post you tried arguing against it. Badly.
Although there are still various possible hypotheses as to the point where the universe reaches the singularity, and not all of them *necessarily* contradict the possibility of something always existing.
<quoted text>
Your lame "puddle" reference is about abiogenesis. Cosmologists who are more concerned with how the universe began don't tend to worry much about abiogenesis. But you can't help arguing against caricatures, can you?
So far all the evidence demonstrates is that the universe is here. Period. Whether an "intelligent agent" was necessary has no actual scientific evidence for or against either way.
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Actually it doesn't. For one thing, quantum phenomena do NOT require a cause, yet they are scientifically observed. And for another thing, you claim your "intelligent agent" did NOT have a cause because it "must" have been there for eternity. Such an entity by definition is a complete and total violation of the rule of cause and effect.
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It has nothing to do with incredulity, since you are also incredulous of the concept. That's because EVERY time I ask you guys for evidence or an explanation of how it works you can't ever provide it.
So actually it has little to do with incredulity, and a whole LOT to do with the fact that you have a grand total of zero scientific evidence.
This is what we know for sure: The Bible is a fabricated fable, period. Humans are not descendants or monkeys, even you agree with that statement. So, God is a Bible character, and monkeys are not your great, great lost relatives, that can mean only one thing. All those galaxies, somewhere out there advanced aliens are using the earth as a huge floating petri dish. That explains Project Blue Book and SETI.....because its not called Project God Book or GODI.......there dud now you know the truth about human existence.....your welcome.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#76305 Feb 17, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Some Christians/creationists prefer ID or was it the systems breakdown due to malware creation idea?
SCPID, I keep forgetting what the acronym if any, is supposed to mean.
Aw man, don't make me say it!

:-/

It's Mikey's own made up thing which he likes to call 'Systems Cycles Patterns.'

See, the systems cycle and the cycles make patterns and the patterns are part of the systems that cycle and make patterns.

Therefore Goddidit with magic.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#76306 Feb 17, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Chicken or the egg.
polluted water made it smart to drink alcohol.
Aaand that's still a good enough reason.

Hehehe.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#76307 Feb 17, 2013
Humanoid wrote:
<quoted text>This is what we know for sure: The Bible is a fabricated fable, period. Humans are not descendants or monkeys, even you agree with that statement. So, God is a Bible character, and monkeys are not your great, great lost relatives, that can mean only one thing. All those galaxies, somewhere out there advanced aliens are using the earth as a huge floating petri dish. That explains Project Blue Book and SETI.....because its not called Project God Book or GODI.......there dud now you know the truth about human existence.....your welcome.
The great apes are in fact our distant cousins. The Prometheus movie is not a science documentary.

Sorry.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#76308 Feb 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Okay, so maybe there's an argument there...
Ok at least we can agree on one thing!

LOL

Life is short, at least I've been told that I'm not sure how tall he is so I can't be positive.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#76309 Feb 17, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Right, alcohol was being made long before modern day science came around. Some historians credit alcohol for forming civilization.
So what is wrong with science?

There is an obvious need for a drunken stupor pill and billions to be made on it yet here we are no pill just good old alcohol and hang overs.

Just saying......
Humanoid

Kansas City, MO

#76310 Feb 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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The great apes are in fact our distant cousins. The Prometheus movie is not a science documentary.
Sorry.
And, the Ten Commandments is real? Humans are primitive , not stupid. Ok, maybe one human. 200 years ago the Dude stood up and said, "Someday man will fly(like an eagle) to the moon" or "Someday man will fly a ship(Sailing ship) to the moon. Either way, the dude is considered nuts, one oar in the water. Then the dude says, "Someday God will return". Now, the dude is delusional. So,dude went to Africa to visit his relatives.

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