Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Full Story

“This is the other side”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#76218 Feb 16, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>YOU=I
WMAP proved we live in a flat universe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =FaB-zq864-cXX
Watched it yet.
It might 'appear' to be flat at this time, with current scientific understanding...the same as the earth was consider flat at one time but was later discarded...

Never the less...why aren't the obvious intrinsic intelligent processes that govern the Universe never addressed by science?

These processes are the very foundation in the belief in God.

But yet, science refuses to look at the actual processes behind the Universe...

Science just calls these processes "natural" ("Existing in or caused by nature")but never really questions the actual processes directly.

Why?

“This is the other side”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#76219 Feb 16, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
It´s a weird way to tell anyone that!
A universe from nothing. The physicist Lawrence Krauss explaining how the universe was measured, what it consists of and the flat shape of it and why. Quantum fluctuation can cause the universe. No excess energy to start with. The cosmological constant causes it to speeed up. Confirms WMAP.
Hubblediagrams through time.
Takes us through the history of physics also.
If you look at the news on your right, he is mentioned.
Funny saying, Forget about jesus, the stars died for us.
Science is an ideology, that for the most part is anti-religion...
There are really only two ways to look at the creation of the Universe...either it is the result of a inconceivable intelligence ...or it somehow magically manifested itself out of nothing?

So which is more rational?

“This is the other side”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#76220 Feb 16, 2013
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

Observer effect (physics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_...

"However in quantum mechanics, which deals with very small objects, it is not possible to observe a system without changing the system, so the observer must be considered part of the system being observed."

..."and God saw that it was good."

omnipresent...

Adjective:

1. Present everywhere at the same time.

Luke 17:21
"nor will they say,‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

Level 5

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#76221 Feb 16, 2013
So Isaiah 40:22 calls the world a circle.
Does that mean the world isn’t flat?
Pizzas are circles, but pizzas are flat.
Furthermore, if you put that verse in context, you find that God is up there, sitting on his throne, and watching all the people, who appear to him like grasshoppers.
If the world is round, he can only watch half of us at one time.
Anyway, either the Book of Isaiah was a group project or Isaiah contradicted himself, because Isaiah 11:12 says,“He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.”
Those four corners, whatever they are amd wherever they are, get a lot of attention in the Bible.
Job 37:3 says,“Under the whole heaven he lets it go, and his lightning to the corners of the earth.” Job 28:24 and Job 38:13 likewise speak of “the ends of the earth.”
Revelation 7:1 speaks of “four angels standing on the four corners of the earth.”
How do you explain the tree which Nebuchadnezzar saw?
According to Daniel 4:10-11, he had a vision of a “tree in the midst of the earth ...and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth.”

Also, there are verses which state that the earth is immovable ( I Chronicles 16:30; Psalm 93:1; Psalm 96:10; Psalm 104:5; Isaiah 45:18).

Also, how did Satan take Jesus on a mountain top and show him all the nations of the world (Matthew 4:8)? And how is it possible that “every eye shall see him” when Jesus appears in the clouds (Revelation 1:7)?

“This is the other side”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#76222 Feb 16, 2013
“The very comprehensibility of the world points to an intelligence behind the world. Indeed, science would be impossible if our intelligence were not adapted to the intelligibility of the world. The match between our intelligence and the intelligibility of the world is no accident. Nor can it properly be attributed to natural selection, which places a premium on survival and reproduction and has no stake in truth or conscious thought. Indeed, meat-puppet robots are just fine as the output of a Darwinian evolutionary process.”

William A. Dembski

“This is the other side”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#76223 Feb 16, 2013
“The complexity of the simplest known type of cell is so great that it is impossible to accept that such an object could have been thrown together suddenly by some kind of freakish, vastly improbable, event. Such an occurrence would be indistinguishable from a miracle.”

&#8213; Michael Denton

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#76224 Feb 16, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong!
It is a statement of defeat.
No, it is an honest statement regarding the knowledge of the one making the statement.

"God did it" is a statement of laziness and pure unadulterated ignorance... and you have it in spades.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#76226 Feb 16, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You need orientation and education, indeed.
So you have no understanding of physics. Thanks for the info Chuckles.

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#76228 Feb 16, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Read the book of Isaiah 40 verse 22 and be silenced forever.
Isa. 40:21 Have ye known him sitting AND Isa 40:22
Rethoric Questionmark inferred.
None has ofcourse, it is inspirational talk.
No mention whatsoever of shutting up.
But you should learn to read the bible.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#76229 Feb 16, 2013
zander714 wrote:
The refusal to acknowledge intelligent design in the universe laughable.
Please, intelligent design is laughable. Why do you think they call those who believe that nonsense IDiots.

Come back when you think you have something.

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#76230 Feb 16, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
“The complexity of the simplest known type of cell is so great that it is impossible to accept that such an object could have been thrown together suddenly by some kind of freakish, vastly improbable, event. Such an occurrence would be indistinguishable from a miracle.”
&#8213; Michael Denton
XXXOOXXX wrote|
the obvious intrinsic intelligent processes

inferred in the infinitesemally small, in all.

Well it@s alltogether not that obvious since thingies that small repulse each other. We frankly end up with more nothing.

But nothing happened suddenly.(that should be cryptic enough to satisfy any religion') It took however a long time to make a start of our environment and life but once it got going it snowballed.

But only in revelation you find god of the universe.
Not in Job.
Holy Ghost

Kansas City, MO

#76231 Feb 16, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
So Isaiah 40:22 calls the world a circle.
Does that mean the world isn’t flat?
Pizzas are circles, but pizzas are flat.
Furthermore, if you put that verse in context, you find that God is up there, sitting on his throne, and watching all the people, who appear to him like grasshoppers.
If the world is round, he can only watch half of us at one time.
Anyway, either the Book of Isaiah was a group project or Isaiah contradicted himself, because Isaiah 11:12 says,“He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.”
Those four corners, whatever they are amd wherever they are, get a lot of attention in the Bible.
Job 37:3 says,“Under the whole heaven he lets it go, and his lightning to the corners of the earth.” Job 28:24 and Job 38:13 likewise speak of “the ends of the earth.”
Revelation 7:1 speaks of “four angels standing on the four corners of the earth.”
How do you explain the tree which Nebuchadnezzar saw?
According to Daniel 4:10-11, he had a vision of a “tree in the midst of the earth ...and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth.”
Also, there are verses which state that the earth is immovable ( I Chronicles 16:30; Psalm 93:1; Psalm 96:10; Psalm 104:5; Isaiah 45:18).
Also, how did Satan take Jesus on a mountain top and show him all the nations of the world (Matthew 4:8)? And how is it possible that “every eye shall see him” when Jesus appears in the clouds (Revelation 1:7)?
ARe YyOU dRunkk?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#76232 Feb 16, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Hence the insults. But actually can any insult or disprove God? no one!
Again, who's trying to disprove your deity?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#76233 Feb 16, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> There are differences between books for sale and ordinary books for relaxation.
Projects, seminars and thesis, can name or quote any authority without their permissions.
What in Bog's name are you babbling about now?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#76234 Feb 16, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I will not blame you over this response, spirituality or simply spiritual matters is/ are not your strong suit.
If by that you mean that _I_ still don't believe in YOUR hallucinations, you're right.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76237 Feb 16, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
oh nice that's another lie! Have you no shame!
Irony meter go boooooooom.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76238 Feb 16, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
KA-BOOM! and the universe and all life emerges to form what Einstein called a ordered comphrehensible universe. From an explosion?..ha...ha,ha,.....ha ,ha,ha,Dude you've got a career in comedy on the horizon, or a stay in the nut house .
Not an "explosion", but an expansion of space-time. Keep in mind the words you ascribe to Einstein here are subjective. Also keep in mind that even Einstein could be wrong, such as his ideas about a steady-state universe.

By the way, if the universe was "comprehensible", then how come that no-one on the planet knows for definite how it started?

All I did was point out that at LEAST up until the point of singularity, the Big Bang is the ONLY scientific theory that makes successful scientific predictions based upon observable phenomena, such as predicting background radiation levels at approx 3 parts per million.

In fact when I say it's the only scientific theory that makes such predictions, not only that, it's the only theory in town.

I ain't seen YOU come up with anything better.(shrug)

And considering your extreme lack of education it's extremely likely that you ever will.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76239 Feb 16, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
No your FSM is a myth God is real.
Now this will cause you pain because you understand the repercussion of the meaning to you of a real God. Good luck with that.
Ah, the good old fundamentalist revenge fantasy. You must be one of them "true Christians" we keep hearing about.

Fact is, the FSM is every bit as valid as your god. Both concepts are non-falsifiable.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76240 Feb 16, 2013
superwilly wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh yes, the city of Jerusalem, Rome, Herod and Pontious Pilate (who are documents, historical roman rulers of judea), the persecution of the early believers, which is documented, etc all worthless un substantiated myth!
Well quite possibly, yeah.(shrug)

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the...

Historical scholars are divided over whether or not Jesus actually existed. Keep in mind there are NO contemporary historical documents of Jesus' existence, and the first writings did not occur until around 93AD, nearly 60 years after his alleged death.

Some scholars think there was a real preacher whom which around the stories were created. Others think Jesus was a myth.

And as I said previously, that even if there was a guy called Jesus going around performing all sorts of magic tricks all over the Middle East all it would prove is that some guy was going around that had superpowers. It would NOT be evidence of an invisible Jewish wizard existing in some sort of multiverse. Your Jesus could easy have been a mutant or an alien from Krypton.

And I don't think you wanna start making claims about archaeology since in that area the Egyptians have you beat. By miles. All hail Ra.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76241 Feb 16, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Not only Herod many other biblical characters have been verified archaeologically.
Others not yet discovered can not make the bible to be false.
The bible once again, is real!
I pointed out to you the Egyptians got you beat. That was 6 months ago. Here you are again repeating the same lie.

Fact. There was no global flood. No Noah. No Adam and Eve. No talking lizards. No talking donkeys. And the Earth is DEFINITELY not flat.

So just because it got Herod right doesn't mean that other parts have not been falsified. Even the priesthood have known this for nearly 400 years.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Weird Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Add a word and drop a word (Jan '14) 3 min DILF 1,582
last word - first (Jun '12) 4 min DILF 7,107
Word Association (Mar '10) 5 min DILF 16,118
Who are some of your favorite people on the off... (Dec '13) 5 min DILF 107
Funny!! Word association game. (Nov '13) 6 min Eddie Haskell 1,895
Add a Word, Ruin a Movie (Oct '13) 7 min DILF 3,513
True or False Game 8 min Hoosier Hillbilly 415
What are you thinking about now? (Jun '10) 51 min Hoosier Hillbilly 22,243
What song are you listening to right now? (Apr '08) 3 hr wichita-rick 149,099
Do you have a Topix crush? (Jun '11) 6 hr Captn Morgan 6,841
Air Force Member Arrested After Giving Minnesot... 10 hr Sam 4

Weird People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE