Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221214 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“When you treat people as they ”

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#76003 Feb 15, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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As a simple by the way!
You have no idea of the number of texts i plowed through to find the first menyion. Even finding Jesus in any shape or form i still can't correctly pin-point.
Western church-history makes it all look as if they actually kept check.
They did not.
All i know is that a russian bible is the only one that can be dated properly.
I took it that god came from:
A version of Gawd (old english first attestation in a Welsh copy) the syrian god of chance and enemy of YHWH.
Or from Goth since they spread a rule of terror and destruction to enforce christianity.
Gudean i would read as a form of 'good' or pointing to Judea. The man from Gudea.
Some years ago while at UNI my (elective) history professor was compiling data from the Roman records of the first century. I became involved in the recording of those records, which have since been used as background in the authoring of books on the period.

Sara Reinke - Pantera
Robert Eisenman – James, the brother of Christ,
Hyam Maccobys – The Mythmaker,
Danial Underbank – Judas the Galilean: the flesh and blood Jesus
Paul Cresswell – Jesus the Terrorist

As far as I can make out the name Jesus in the context of the biblical character first cropped up in a mistake/misunderstanding when being translated to Greek over 50 years after the subjects death.

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#76004 Feb 15, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Again, there's nothing wrong with my eyes - but you seem determined to duck the question.
You stated that science was trying to disprove your deity.
Show me where.
No, i didn't say science, because we have scientist that are christians, i was only talking about scientist that are atheist.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#76005 Feb 15, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Under science we have two beliefs of thought:
1. Atheism and
2. Christianity.
Yes or no?
No. Science deals NEITHER with Atheism or with Christianity. Science does not deal with matters of faith at all.
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>If yes, then your statements are just mere assertions.
You have made nothing BUT assertions since joining these threads.

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#76006 Feb 15, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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In other words, you want to get the facts and then assume that it did it itself instead of how it was done.
But thanks for the explanation, that was informative. ;-)
Nope, the facts are only fact from 10^-34th of a second after the event (Big Bang), what happened before that point is UNKNOWN by anyone and everyone including scientist and goddidit bots. The laws that govern this universe did not exist prior to that time however at least that unknown is being worked on by scientist whereas goddidit bots say,‘we don’t know so “goddidit”’

There are at least 27 different valid theories of ‘how it was done’, plus one if you include god did it with magic using nothing to make something and standing nowhere while he did it but that plus one is not recognised as valid.

To paraphrase Neil Turrok, Director of Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics.“We don’t know how it was done but one thing is certain, no god did it”

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#76007 Feb 15, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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No. Science deals NEITHER with Atheism or with Christianity. Science does not deal with matters of faith at all.
<quoted text>
You have made nothing BUT assertions since joining these threads.
Likewise!
Buffoon.

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#76008 Feb 15, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Your concept of fails to take into account the relativity of size. Humans compared to the macro and microscopic world are humongous.
Calling people nothing is also a strictly relative concept...you can state "people in size, are nothing compared to to the size of the Universe."
Or people in size are humongous, compared to the size the microscopic Universe.
Size is a matter of perspective...it is not absolute, as you imply.
Please re-read my post, there is no implication of absolute and in fact the whole post is based on relative size and comparisons

Quote - On the universal scale humans are smaller than atoms compared to earth.– endquote

You are using the same arguments as me only on the micro scale. Relatively speaking humans are far smaller on the universal scale than the smallest microscopic life is compared to humans.

Absolute or relative makes no difference to the fact that the universe is bigger than humans. It may upset your spiritual belief but that is of no consequence to fact

P.S. The microscopic universe is still this universe we live in, every thing known to experience is in this universe.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#76009 Feb 15, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> No, i didn't say science, because we have scientist that are christians, i was only talking about scientist that are atheist.
Okay, where are atheist scientists trying to disprove your deity?
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#76010 Feb 15, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I notice shit when i see one( it).
.....and then you immediately throw it at the spectators outside your cage, right?

Charles, you've lost any form of moral high ground by letting your debate get reduced to trash talk. You've demonstrated your own lack of faith, and you've shown that your faith is driven by your social incompetence. You really need to step back and read your holy book again and find out what you're missing.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#76011 Feb 15, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> We are not talking about God, but faith, look before you leap.
Isn't looking before you leap a contradiction of faith?
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#76012 Feb 15, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Likewise!
Buffoon.
OK. Since you've lost all rational form, might I suggest that you stop barking out commands for awareness since you don't have anything to say except that you have faith in two thousand year old myths.

Those myths have no bearing on the modern world as illuminated by science and you seem to buy into them for the magic, not the wisdom.

Consider your debate over. You've failed utterly to make any meaningful point and you've long since lost the battle for pathos.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76013 Feb 15, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
Well, that's the problem. Since the center of a black hole is both tiny and heavy, you can't avoid using both theories at the same time. And when we try to put the two theories together in the realm of black holes, they conflict. It breaks down. They give nonsensical predictions.
Actually you're wrong. QM makes valid successful predictions. Gravity makes valid successful predictions. They only come into conflict when dealing with things such as singularities. Which is why cosmologists are currently working on a theory of quantum gravity, but they don't have it yet.

But if science worked like you claimed then we should have thrown out Newton's theory of gravity as soon as he came up with it. Since even back then they knew (the scientists at least) that it still couldn't accurately predict the motion of Mercury. That didn't happen until Einstein. And QM is already proving him wrong.

But if gravity was not capable of making valid scientific precictions then we wouldn't have just landed a probe on Mars last year.
Langoliers wrote:
And the universe is not nonsensical; it's got to make sense.
No it doesn't. It's got creationists in it for one thing.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76014 Feb 15, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Yes it is. Your denying it is not proof against it.
Yes, the Bible is true because the Bible sez so! Even the bit about talking lizards and donkeys. Because the entire Bible is the "literal" Word of God.

Just ignore the bit where it says the Earth is a flat square circle at the center of a geocentric universe.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76015 Feb 15, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And also now, the statistics of atheism and christianity is an evidence to that.
Galileo was a scientist and a firm believer of God, yes or no?
Francis Collins and Ken Miller are firm believers of God.

They both accept evolution.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76016 Feb 15, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> What ever!
The facts is that, no statement, whether good or bad can change the reality of God.
... and the reality is that no-one can demonstrate it even exists. Tough nuggies, bub.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76017 Feb 15, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Don't be scared. They made humans and all life on earth. Humans think they(aliens) are God(s), angels and Demons.........The primitive human animal just out of the dark ages has a mind steeped in folk lure and tale tales. The aliens know the human animal well. The humans comprehension levels are low, unable to grasp the alien beings. In order to cope with reality humans went to what they know, story telling, a coping mechanism. That's where the "Fear of God" came from. Fear of the unknown, not wanting to know, knowing their world was shattered beyond comprehension.
I'm not scared.

You're in Kansas.

Kansans should be scared.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76018 Feb 15, 2013
Superwilly wrote:
<quoted text> Christianity is not about healing people with prayer, it is about following jesus. Totally different thing.
Well around here following Jesus means lying their azz off for Jesus. Hopefully you are not like the majority of your fellow brethren on here.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76019 Feb 15, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Damn! you've already proved my point, can't you STFU .
If only you had a point to prove.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76020 Feb 15, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> All the evidences you are seeking for, are found in the bible you rejected.
If truly you are right, there would be no bible at all to read.
The Bible is a bunch of baseless claims written by ancient superstitous goat-herders who thought the Earth was flat.

Some stuff it gets right, some stuff it gets wrong. The rest can't be verified at this time.

Especially all the magic bits.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76021 Feb 15, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>And again, all credits goes to God for giving us the brain for science, art, technology and social or management sciences.
In which case you can credit God for not giving you one of them fancy brain thingies. You'd only get a headache anyway.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76022 Feb 15, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Faith is the evidence of things not seen, we Christians have it, but you don't.
Faith is the complete opposite of evidence. They are diametrically opposed.

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