Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 187309 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Spocko

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#75917 Feb 14, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Proof?
Proof my foot. Just admit your ignorance, the world alone, is a big proof of God's existence, think straight, Mr. Pessimist.
In your world that is ...

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#75918 Feb 14, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>you have proof of that? no you don't. another proven lie from Chip...sad...very sad. your mother must be hanging her head in shame...
Irony!!
Now tell me how did the universe came into form, sick fellow?
No is not an answer!

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#75919 Feb 14, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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The maker cannot exist without a maker.
Evidence?
Now tell me how did the universe came without a maker?

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#75920 Feb 14, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
Charles Idemi, was the majority right in Galileo's time?
And also now, the statistics of atheism and christianity is an evidence to that.
Galileo was a scientist and a firm believer of God, yes or no?

Langoliers

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#75921 Feb 14, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>Still waiting for ANY real evidence FOR a God.

Been looking for over 50 years now....
You never heard of the Bible?

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#75922 Feb 14, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
Langoliers, who appointed you as editor and proofreader on this thread?
You missed the election?

Where you've been?

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#75923 Feb 14, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>E=MC^2 is NOT a failed theory, nor a law, it’s an equation that has NEVER been disproven. Even the recent jubilation at CERN in which it was thought the equation did not account for neutrino loopholes was proven to be a technical error.

It was never designed to encompass the infinities of singularities, it is an equation for the atomic domain, the domain the atomic universe exists in.

There are similar equations for the quantum domain and until recently the two could never meet because of the infinities of those singularities

The mathematics of Dr Param Singh handles the infinities of both the atomic and quantum realms and ties them together in a way that allows scientists to think and work path those infinities to places they were unable to comprehend 2 years ago.

Please keep up if you want to attempt to discredit evidence.

But it appears that what you want is a piece of magic that works everywhere and every when and you believe no such magic exists so come to the obvious conclusion of the bronze age the hard of thinking and shout “GODDIDIT”

Let me assure you, science is working on such a unified theory and if/when there is a breakthrough the whole world will hear.
Wikipedia:
If anyone finds a case where all or part of a scientific theory is false, then that theory is either changed or thrown out.

A scientific theory in one branch of science must hold true in all of the other branches of science.

From Nova:

"For decades, every attempt to describe the force of gravity in the same language as the other forces—the language of quantum mechanics—has met with disaster

S. JAMES GATES, JR.: You try to put those two pieces of mathematics together, they do not coexist peacefully.

S. JAMES GATES, JR.: The laws of nature are supposed to apply everywhere. So if Einstein's laws are supposed to apply everywhere, and the laws of quantum mechanics are supposed to apply everywhere, well you can't have two separate everywheres.

Brian Green: In the years since, physics split into two separate camps: one that uses general relativity to study big and heavy objects, things like stars, galaxies and the universe as a whole.
..and another that uses quantum mechanics to study the tiniest of objects, like atoms and particles. This has been kind of like having two families that just cannot get along and never talk to each other...
There just seemed to be no way to combine quantum mechanics...
...and general relativity in a single theory that could describe the universe on all scales.

So here's the question: if you're trying to figure out what happens in the depths of a black hole, where an entire star is crushed to a tiny speck, do you use general relativity because the star is incredibly heavy or quantum mechanics because it's incredibly tiny?

Well, that's the problem. Since the center of a black hole is both tiny and heavy, you can't avoid using both theories at the same time. And when we try to put the two theories together in the realm of black holes, they conflict. It breaks down. They give nonsensical predictions. And the universe is not nonsensical; it's got to make sense.

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#75924 Feb 14, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
I wonder whether Charles Idemi thinks the majority in each population is right, or only the majority worldwide.
Let us assume for the moment that the majority in each population is right:
The least Creationist nation in the world seems to be Iceland, with over 90% of its people accepting Evolutionary theory.
The most Creationist nation seems to be Turkey, with a figure of only 25%.
That means that man developed from an apelike ancestor in Iceland but God created Adam and Eve in Turkey.
On the other hand, let us assume that the majority worldwide is right:
At one time, it was commonly believed that the earth was flat.
Now it is commonly believed that the earth is round.
That means that somewhere along the line, the earth changed shape.
That must have created quite a jolt.
But don't get up out of your seats yet. I'm not finished.
Even after the majority was convinced that the earth was round, they continued to believe that the earth stood still and the sun revolved around the earth.
Eventually, however, they became convinced that the earth revolved around the sun.
That means that somewhere along the line, the earth and the sun changed policy.
That must have created another jolt.
Foul!
For round earth, read the book of Isa. 40 vs 22.
For the other, read the book of Job.

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#75925 Feb 14, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Did you even take the time to look up what I said?
I notice shit when i see one( it).

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#75926 Feb 14, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Evidence?
Now tell me how did the universe came without a maker?
We don't know yet Charles. Its only been a hundred years or so that we have begun to tackle such problems. The universe has been around for billions of years.

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#75927 Feb 14, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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No, but we have some ideas. And we're at least at work on a quantum theory of gravity which may mean that we may get to know at some point.
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Why on Earth would we try to disprove existence? That's daft. The universe exists. It's not us who are trying to disprove it.
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Physician heal thyself.
Until you provide the needed evidence on how the earth came into form, you are just waisting your time.
Next?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#75928 Feb 14, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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You never heard of the Bible?
The Bible is not evidence. It is obviously conceived and written by humans. It is full of problems.

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#75929 Feb 14, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Yes, we know. Thank you. In fact I've been pointing it out to fundies on here for YEARS.
Including you.
Somehow you STILL missed it.
I've been agreeing with you and you still missed it.
Science cannot disprove (a) God. Therefore the concept is non-scientific and irrelevant to science. We can now dismiss it the same way we dismiss Cosmic Sheep.
Because you never know - the Cosmic Sheep MIGHT just be responsible for the universe.
What ever!
The facts is that, no statement, whether good or bad can change the reality of God.

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#75930 Feb 14, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>The Bible is not evidence. It is obviously conceived and written by humans. It is full of problems.
Yes it is. Your denying it is not proof against it.

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#75931 Feb 14, 2013
Spocko wrote:
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In your world that is ...
Now answer the question, how did the universe came into form?

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#75932 Feb 14, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Evidence?
Now tell me how did the universe came without a maker?
Fine as soon as you tell us who made the maker.

It is not logical to assume that there had to be a god without positive evidence.

So as soon as you show us positive evidence for your god we will tell you how the universe came into being without a maker.

By the way, it is up to the person making a positive claim to provide evidence for their claim. You need evidence for your god. We will provide evidence for evolution. For the Big Bang. For the formation of the Solar System etc..

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#75933 Feb 14, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Yes it is. Your denying it is not proof against it.
It is not just denial. We have evidence that supports our claims.

You and your side do not have evidence that back yours.

We probably know the Bible better than you do. For example, we probably know the Ten Commandments better than you do.

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#75934 Feb 14, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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We don't know yet Charles. Its only been a hundred years or so that we have begun to tackle such problems. The universe has been around for billions of years.
Good i like that word, hope you know that you are applying what we christians call faith?
Like i said, atheism is a form of faith.

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#75935 Feb 14, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Good i like that word, hope you know that you are applying what we christians call faith?
Like i said, atheism is a form of faith.
Wrong, faith is believing in something without reason. For an atheist to believe in something he must have a reason.

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#75936 Feb 14, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Fine as soon as you tell us who made the maker.
It is not logical to assume that there had to be a god without positive evidence.
So as soon as you show us positive evidence for your god we will tell you how the universe came into being without a maker.
By the way, it is up to the person making a positive claim to provide evidence for their claim. You need evidence for your god. We will provide evidence for evolution. For the Big Bang. For the formation of the Solar System etc..
Kudos for the foul rantings.
If you have the evidence show it!
Big bang is a trash.

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