Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Jan 6, 2011, Best of New Orleans story titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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bohart

Newport, TN

#75889 Feb 14, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Since they ARE in fact using a testable hypothesis with repeatable results that's not a problem. It's just that there's COUNTLESS variables involved when attempting to recreate an ancient environment from nearly 4 billion years ago.
You can complain as much as you like about the fact they haven't been through every single miniscule variance yet, but you can't complain that they don't have a testable hypothesis with repeatable results.
So what have you got? "HAHA! YOU CAN'T DO IT YET THEREFORE GODMAGIC HA HA I WINZ! LOLZ!!!!!"
So uh, you're still in 5th grade, right?
Stop it!, stop it, ha,ha,ha, countless varibles !, miniscule variance , 4 billion years !and when you can't answer whip out the Godmagic line. Whoa.!
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#75890 Feb 14, 2013
Alien outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Your first sentence should be, "There is an enormous Body of Brainwashing.........." The human animal is clueless!
Not hardly ...
bohart

Newport, TN

#75891 Feb 14, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Of course none of this matters to the ignorant. Evolution is not the problem. He doesn't like it but he can't address it. Therefore has no choice but to move the goalposts back to abiogenesis.
Science has no problem admitting that it hasn't got abio all figured out yet. It's no big secret. No grand conspiracy. They complain that we haven't figured out in just a few decades what could have taken hundreds of thousands of years from an event which happened 4 billion years ago. It's an irrational demand as dumb as the creationist arguments for "show me humans evolving from bacteria!", and they want it done within their lifetimes.
They simply can't grasp that their very fleeting lifetimes aren't important.
Here we have the puddle gooist in all his glory, to want to know how life sprang into existence is an irrational demand? Dud it may get cold tonight ,wrap up in that quilt of self imposed ignorance decorated with denial .Wouldn't want to defile your religion would we?
Alien outlaw

Kansas City, MO

#75892 Feb 14, 2013
Spock wrote:
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Not hardly ...
So, humans have convinced themselves and anyone that will listen or read a text book that they have it all figured out.....this human existence thing. The dinosaur demise, the Big Bang..........wow, intelligence at its finest.We can stop thinking, analyzing, calculating and exploring deep space. If human history is any indication of the humanoid future.....all species become extinct.
bohart

Newport, TN

#75893 Feb 14, 2013
..........Onward Puddle Gooists

Onward puddle goooists marching as to war !
with the word of Darrwin going on before!
Dawkins the royal master,
leads against the foe!
Forward into battle, see his book sales goooo!
onward puddle gooists marching as to war,
with the word of Darwin ,going on before!

Now everyone bow their head in awesome reverence to the power of the goo, all life came from the goo, and no life that exists came not from the goo.
Blessed be the goo and the randomness from which the goo sprang into life to evolve all human beings into a life of total freedom from morality, or immorality or any standard from which humans must adhere except the ones which are ordained by the shifting sands of time which aided the goo in our creation.Let us hail our trinity.

Nothing ,which our universe sprang from
The goo,
and the purposelessness of life.'

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#75894 Feb 14, 2013
“To act as a physician, the priest must make one sick! In other words, before
Christianity can present itself as the answer, it first has to generate the problem, or “poison the wound”. Before people can be sold salvation they need to be persuaded that they require saving, that their existence is miserable.“ Friedrich Nietzsche

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#75895 Feb 14, 2013
Alien outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>So, humans have convinced themselves and anyone that will listen or read a text book that they have it all figured out.....this human existence thing. The dinosaur demise, the Big Bang..........wow, intelligence at its finest.We can stop thinking, analyzing, calculating and exploring deep space. If human history is any indication of the humanoid future.....all species become extinct.
We haven't started exploring deep space....

happy valentine's day..if you have no valentine now..know that in some other dimension, an alien loves you...

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#75896 Feb 14, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Now if you can show that life can create itself , I'll reconsider,
We're working on it dude....give us some time.

After all we only began the work about 60+- years ago.

Nature took millions of years.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#75897 Feb 14, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Thats not an answer, just a God attack, which is the basis of all for you, you simply try to cloak your hatred for God with some type of scientific jargon, and when that fails here comes the flood, invisible friend, skydaddy, flying spaghetti monster, etc, etc.
See, you're doing that all ass-over-apex.

You are trying to cloak rational, logical and scientific points in hatred.

I suppose that makes it easier for you to grasp, since the science and logic are apparently beyond you.

One of the bits you're missing is that all deities, like all mythical creatures, are the same.

The FSM is on exactly the same plane as your deity - and Thor, and Marduk, and all the others.

Level 5

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#75898 Feb 14, 2013
I wonder whether Charles Idemi thinks the majority in each population is right, or only the majority worldwide.

Let us assume for the moment that the majority in each population is right:

The least Creationist nation in the world seems to be Iceland, with over 90% of its people accepting Evolutionary theory.
The most Creationist nation seems to be Turkey, with a figure of only 25%.
That means that man developed from an apelike ancestor in Iceland but God created Adam and Eve in Turkey.

On the other hand, let us assume that the majority worldwide is right:

At one time, it was commonly believed that the earth was flat.
Now it is commonly believed that the earth is round.
That means that somewhere along the line, the earth changed shape.
That must have created quite a jolt.

But don't get up out of your seats yet. I'm not finished.
Even after the majority was convinced that the earth was round, they continued to believe that the earth stood still and the sun revolved around the earth.
Eventually, however, they became convinced that the earth revolved around the sun.
That means that somewhere along the line, the earth and the sun changed policy.
That must have created another jolt.
Alien outlaw

Kansas City, MO

#75899 Feb 14, 2013
woodtick 57 wrote:
<quoted text>We haven't started exploring deep space....
happy valentine's day..if you have no valentine now..know that in some other dimension, an alien loves you...
Exactly woody, humans have not started....kind of ironic. What will humans discover? Gods heavenly gates and every single human that has ever passed to the after life? So, woody how long did it take humans to evolve language, than writing, than the Bible? And, discover that bones are indeed the gateway to human existence.....silly stuff woody. Once humans explore deep space, clues will discount all theories and man made concepts

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#75900 Feb 14, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Deranged God?, thanks for proving my point, Ha,Ha,Ha.
If one believes that the Christian God is real then you are believing in a crazy and mentally deficient God. All one has to do is read the Old Testament to see how bad 'He' is/was.

Genocidal and egotistical loon.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#75901 Feb 14, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Ugly!
Take a look at the mirror.
Did you even take the time to look up what I said?
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#75902 Feb 14, 2013
Alien outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>So, humans have convinced themselves and anyone that will listen or read a text book that they have it all figured out.....this human existence thing. The dinosaur demise, the Big Bang..........wow, intelligence at its finest.We can stop thinking, analyzing, calculating and exploring deep space. If human history is any indication of the humanoid future.....all species become extinct.
More power to you old chump, it's a free country ignorance and stupidity is perfectly legal ...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#75903 Feb 14, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Here we have the puddle gooist in all his glory, to want to know how life sprang into existence is an irrational demand? Dud it may get cold tonight ,wrap up in that quilt of self imposed ignorance decorated with denial .Wouldn't want to defile your religion would we?
Poor bohart, ever the ignorant boob.

So what is your strategy bo? Do you think that if you can debunk the idea of abiogenesis you can debunk evolution? They are two separate parts of the story. Evolution does not give a fig how life got here. It could have been by natural means (what is normally called abiogenesis), your God could have snapped his fingers and made the first cell, or it could even have been E.T. who stopped here to phone home. Once life started that is when evolution as we know began.

Scientists will openly admit when they don't have all of the answers, as they do with abiogenesis. You don't expect them to stop looking for the answers, do you? On the subject of evolution they have enough answers so that they are very sure. You can't bother us with you nonsense. Go ahead, we will just, very gladly, point out that you are an idiot. And probably a liar too.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#75904 Feb 14, 2013
Alien outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Your first sentence should be, "There is an enormous Body of Brainwashing.........." The human animal is clueless!
So if you're human you're brainwashed and therefore don't know any more about the aliens than we do.

Or if you're the brainwashing alien you just informed us that you're part of an advance force involved in subjugating our species. In which case we now know to get all minigun on your azz if we happen to see any little green men.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#75905 Feb 14, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Comparing live births to abiogenesis? ha ,ha, ha , stop ,stop your killing me. Liar, liar , liar, so says Three dog night
Problem? You said life required intelligent mechanisms to form. I demonstrated otherwise. So far you've not provided your alternative intelligent mechanisms or evidence of them.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#75906 Feb 14, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Stop it!, stop it, ha,ha,ha, countless varibles !, miniscule variance , 4 billion years !and when you can't answer whip out the Godmagic line. Whoa.!
I can't answer, you can't answer. Only one of us though is searching for answers.

It ain't you.

And it still has no bearing on the validity of evolution.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#75907 Feb 14, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Here we have the puddle gooist in all his glory, to want to know how life sprang into existence is an irrational demand? Dud it may get cold tonight ,wrap up in that quilt of self imposed ignorance decorated with denial .Wouldn't want to defile your religion would we?
Notice that your baseless insults are not actually capable of dealing with the content of my posts.

I can demonstrate your ignorance and dishonesty. You can't demonstrate mine.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#75908 Feb 14, 2013
bohart wrote:
..........Onward Puddle Gooists
Dishonest straw-man.
bohart wrote:
Onward puddle goooists marching as to war !
with the word of Darrwin going on before!
The theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis.
bohart wrote:
Dawkins the royal master,
leads against the foe!
Atheism is irrelevant to evolution.
bohart wrote:
Forward into battle, see his book sales goooo!
onward puddle gooists marching as to war,
with the word of Darwin ,going on before!
Now everyone bow their head in awesome reverence to the power of the goo, all life came from the goo, and no life that exists came not from the goo.
Blessed be the goo and the randomness from which the goo sprang into life to evolve all human beings into a life of total freedom from morality, or immorality or any standard from which humans must adhere
Morality is a subjective concept and has no bearing on the validity of science. However as a dishonest theist it is impossible for you to be capable of genuine altruism.
bohart wrote:
except the ones which are ordained by the shifting sands of time which aided the goo in our creation.Let us hail our trinity.
Nothing ,which our universe sprang from
The goo,
and the purposelessness of life.'
Life's "purpose" or alleged lack of same is a philosophical concept and hence not relevant to the validity of science. Science doesn't care what philosophy has to say. Though as we can see you are bereft of either scientific knowledge or philosophical answers. Only faulty criticisms of reality based purely in pseudo-scientific theology.

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