Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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<quoted text>Please tell me you aren't thinking of keeping birds in a cage....
a large cage outside yes. I've had parakeets but yeah they try to get away all the time. But I will try to hand raise a pet dove.

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Talk about slang;0
For the birds thus and to plant them.
Well that's your birdfeeder in one go. So why would you put birdfeeders extra up?(I suddenly feel so dim :-/
Birdseed is quite a lovely term, isn't it? billions$ industry in the US.

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<quoted text>type of sunflower seed commonly used for bird feeding.
google: black oiler sunflower seeds. high in oil content for good nutrition.
I eat sunflower seeds. And yeah, they are used to feed birds. But I never planted them.

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I just know how deep to plant them by estimating their size and judging the soil. Of some i haven't got a clue what they are.:)
Normally they should be underground allready for months.
See that's just it. We understand all about plots and soil but pots are like an alien invasion.
not sure where you are, but in Minnesota many perennial bulbs won't work in pots unless you bring the pots into semi-cold storage for the winter as they soil will get too cold in the pots if left outside..

many of our non -bulb perennial plants have the same problem. they can survive the -50f in the ground, but no in a raised bed or pot.

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I still have loads of bulbs but no garden, so now it's about the art of getting them to grow in pots. How?
I gave my last tree away to the church. Some disease ate their trees and they are the only ones having the place and that take in pathetic orphant democrats. In the summer i'm going to check up if they took care of it.
So you have a problem with democrats? oh great...

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<quoted text>Aren't you just a random thing that exists by chance? look at the randomness of which sperm fertilizes an egg, it isn' the first one, it takes so many to eat away at teh egg lining and one get through out of millions at random.
yes,. it is random. do you have aproblem with that? does it make you feel insignificant? do you have aneed to feel you were specially created? why?
nothing is really random, it only appears to be so.

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a large cage outside yes. I've had parakeets but yeah they try to get away all the time. But I will try to hand raise a pet dove.
Imagine that?!? birds that can soar free in the sky not wanting to be in a cage....

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<quoted text>Please tell me you aren't thinking of keeping birds in a cage....
According to the US Fish and Game and the Wildlife management institute, the mortality rate for doves in the wild is more than 58% per year for adults and 69% for juveniles. Life span in the wild is 1.5 years for adults. This is pretty sad since doves lifespan in captivity can exceed 20 years. According to their publications and research, this is indicative of hunting which is responsible for 90% of the deaths and the remaining 10% due to poisons, predators and disease.

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I eat sunflower seeds. And yeah, they are used to feed birds. But I never planted them.
i live on sunflowere seeds, it seems at times...

i have never grown the showy huge ones. just the tons of them that sprout up in my gardens from teh bird feeders. they are pretty and when the seeds ripen the birds love them..

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nothing is really random, it only appears to be so.
sure.... that sounds so deep, but it has not basis in the real world.

explain how the gamete reproduction i just mentioned isn't random...

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I eat sunflower seeds. And yeah, they are used to feed birds. But I never planted them.
They'll cheer you up no end.

The most common isotope of hydrogen is protium (name rarely used, symbol 1H) with a single proton and no neutrons. As the simplest atom known, the hydrogen atom has been of theoretical use. For example, as the only neutral atom with an analytic solution to the Schrdinger equation, the study of the energetics and bonding of the hydrogen atom played a key role in the development of quantum mechanics.

25% of Helium gas in the universe is a lot. Therefore we conclude that a very hot phase must have occurred.
The (simple)idea is big bang, hot quick expansion, backgroundradiation, cool down phase, forming the universe as we know it, with another acceleration phase.
T0 +400,000 would be about the formation of hydrogen nucleotides.
protium does not need a neutron, just a proton and other reactions would quickly follow, so formation would have happened in the hot phase and cooldown to form.

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According to the US Fish and Game and the Wildlife management institute, the mortality rate for doves in the wild is more than 58% per year for adults and 69% for juveniles. Life span in the wild is 1.5 years for adults. This is pretty sad since doves lifespan in captivity can exceed 20 years. According to their publications and research, this is indicative of hunting which is responsible for 90% of the deaths and the remaining 10% due to poisons, predators and disease.
0-1,5 year free or 20 years caged..hmm

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<quoted text>sure.... that sounds so deep, but it has not basis in the real world.
explain how the gamete reproduction i just mentioned isn't random...
S/he is the expert.

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<quoted text>not sure where you are, but in Minnesota many perennial bulbs won't work in pots unless you bring the pots into semi-cold storage for the winter as they soil will get too cold in the pots if left outside..
many of our non -bulb perennial plants have the same problem. they can survive the -50f in the ground, but no in a raised bed or pot.
I'm half a page behind, you both sure have something else to work from than a simple laptop.
For two winters i wrapped the tree and the pot. The roots develop very fine, where i know that in an actual garden a trumpetleaf tree can have solid wide spread roots and enormous leaves. Great to sit under in summer. But in a pot the growth is stumped, that's how you get ever smaller plants.

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According to the US Fish and Game and the Wildlife management institute, the mortality rate for doves in the wild is more than 58% per year for adults and 69% for juveniles. Life span in the wild is 1.5 years for adults. This is pretty sad since doves lifespan in captivity can exceed 20 years. According to their publications and research, this is indicative of hunting which is responsible for 90% of the deaths and the remaining 10% due to poisons, predators and disease.
would you rathter live longer in a cage or shorter and be free? why did your other birds keep trying to get out?

if your pets have to be caged to keep them from escaping, you are just a jailor, not a pet owner...

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<quoted text>sure.... that sounds so deep, but it has not basis in the real world.
explain how the gamete reproduction i just mentioned isn't random...
whatever. I experience synchronicity or meaningful coincidences all the time. That's my reality. Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Sexual reproduction can be random fusion of sperm and an egg, ok. But do you think the fusion of elements in the stars are just random too? Why do stars look pretty at night? Why do we study cosmology if they are just chaotic that doesn't make any sense? How could these elements create life in planets under the right conditions?

In reproduction, with all the right timing of sperms swimming around to get to that one egg, there is some rhythm to it. It's like winning the lotto.

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So you have a problem with democrats? oh great...
None whatsoever. I by the way do not consider America an actual democracy. I live in a multi-party nation, where parties have to compromise.
But we are talking about taking extra care of the plants, so calling them democrats is my form of irony. And they really don't care where they put their roots. They like a republican garden too.

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whatever. I experience synchronicity or meaningful coincidences all the time. That's my reality. Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Sexual reproduction can be random fusion of sperm and an egg, ok. But do you think the fusion of elements in the stars are just random too? Why do stars look pretty at night? Why do we study cosmology if they are just chaotic that doesn't make any sense? How could these elements create life in planets under the right conditions?
In reproduction, with all the right timing of sperms swimming around to get to that one egg, there is some rhythm to it. It's like winning the lotto.
Actually the egg pulls the sperm in.(digging deep in the attic of memory) And repulses unwanted sperm.

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<quoted text>would you rathter live longer in a cage or shorter and be free? why did your other birds keep trying to get out?
if your pets have to be caged to keep them from escaping, you are just a jailor, not a pet owner...
You're just jealous cause birds talk to me. lol. I know you're going to say that I might be hearing voices but I can really hear what they feel. I have an attachment to birds. So that makes my pets special.

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whatever. I experience synchronicity or meaningful coincidences all the time. That's my reality. Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Sexual reproduction can be random fusion of sperm and an egg, ok. But do you think the fusion of elements in the stars are just random too? Why do stars look pretty at night? Why do we study cosmology if they are just chaotic that doesn't make any sense? How could these elements create life in planets under the right conditions?
In reproduction, with all the right timing of sperms swimming around to get to that one egg, there is some rhythm to it. It's like winning the lotto.
I notice coincidences all the time. they are just that, coincidences.

it is random as to whether the star has enough mass to get beyond the fusion into iron stage or go into the further stages of fusing heavier elements via novae or supernovae explosion.

so yes, that also is random.

no-one said there is choas in the universe, just no proof at all of any guiding hand or design.

i know many people think it would be nice, and it would make them feel more special if they were created on purpose, especially if the entire universe was set out so they could be created...but that is just silly, isn't it?( and super-egotistical)

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