Evolution vs. Creation

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#75525 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Please tell me you aren't thinking of keeping birds in a cage....
According to the US Fish and Game and the Wildlife management institute, the mortality rate for doves in the wild is more than 58% per year for adults and 69% for juveniles. Life span in the wild is 1.5 years for adults. This is pretty sad since doves lifespan in captivity can exceed 20 years. According to their publications and research, this is indicative of hunting which is responsible for 90% of the deaths and the remaining 10% due to poisons, predators and disease.

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#75526 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
I eat sunflower seeds. And yeah, they are used to feed birds. But I never planted them.
i live on sunflowere seeds, it seems at times...

i have never grown the showy huge ones. just the tons of them that sprout up in my gardens from teh bird feeders. they are pretty and when the seeds ripen the birds love them..

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#75527 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
nothing is really random, it only appears to be so.
sure.... that sounds so deep, but it has not basis in the real world.

explain how the gamete reproduction i just mentioned isn't random...

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#75528 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
I eat sunflower seeds. And yeah, they are used to feed birds. But I never planted them.
They'll cheer you up no end.

The most common isotope of hydrogen is protium (name rarely used, symbol 1H) with a single proton and no neutrons. As the simplest atom known, the hydrogen atom has been of theoretical use. For example, as the only neutral atom with an analytic solution to the Schrdinger equation, the study of the energetics and bonding of the hydrogen atom played a key role in the development of quantum mechanics.

25% of Helium gas in the universe is a lot. Therefore we conclude that a very hot phase must have occurred.
The (simple)idea is big bang, hot quick expansion, backgroundradiation, cool down phase, forming the universe as we know it, with another acceleration phase.
T0 +400,000 would be about the formation of hydrogen nucleotides.
protium does not need a neutron, just a proton and other reactions would quickly follow, so formation would have happened in the hot phase and cooldown to form.

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#75529 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
According to the US Fish and Game and the Wildlife management institute, the mortality rate for doves in the wild is more than 58% per year for adults and 69% for juveniles. Life span in the wild is 1.5 years for adults. This is pretty sad since doves lifespan in captivity can exceed 20 years. According to their publications and research, this is indicative of hunting which is responsible for 90% of the deaths and the remaining 10% due to poisons, predators and disease.
0-1,5 year free or 20 years caged..hmm

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#75530 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>sure.... that sounds so deep, but it has not basis in the real world.
explain how the gamete reproduction i just mentioned isn't random...
S/he is the expert.

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#75531 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>not sure where you are, but in Minnesota many perennial bulbs won't work in pots unless you bring the pots into semi-cold storage for the winter as they soil will get too cold in the pots if left outside..
many of our non -bulb perennial plants have the same problem. they can survive the -50f in the ground, but no in a raised bed or pot.
I'm half a page behind, you both sure have something else to work from than a simple laptop.
For two winters i wrapped the tree and the pot. The roots develop very fine, where i know that in an actual garden a trumpetleaf tree can have solid wide spread roots and enormous leaves. Great to sit under in summer. But in a pot the growth is stumped, that's how you get ever smaller plants.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#75532 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
According to the US Fish and Game and the Wildlife management institute, the mortality rate for doves in the wild is more than 58% per year for adults and 69% for juveniles. Life span in the wild is 1.5 years for adults. This is pretty sad since doves lifespan in captivity can exceed 20 years. According to their publications and research, this is indicative of hunting which is responsible for 90% of the deaths and the remaining 10% due to poisons, predators and disease.
would you rathter live longer in a cage or shorter and be free? why did your other birds keep trying to get out?

if your pets have to be caged to keep them from escaping, you are just a jailor, not a pet owner...

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#75533 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>sure.... that sounds so deep, but it has not basis in the real world.
explain how the gamete reproduction i just mentioned isn't random...
whatever. I experience synchronicity or meaningful coincidences all the time. That's my reality. Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Sexual reproduction can be random fusion of sperm and an egg, ok. But do you think the fusion of elements in the stars are just random too? Why do stars look pretty at night? Why do we study cosmology if they are just chaotic that doesn't make any sense? How could these elements create life in planets under the right conditions?

In reproduction, with all the right timing of sperms swimming around to get to that one egg, there is some rhythm to it. It's like winning the lotto.

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#75534 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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So you have a problem with democrats? oh great...
None whatsoever. I by the way do not consider America an actual democracy. I live in a multi-party nation, where parties have to compromise.
But we are talking about taking extra care of the plants, so calling them democrats is my form of irony. And they really don't care where they put their roots. They like a republican garden too.

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#75535 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
whatever. I experience synchronicity or meaningful coincidences all the time. That's my reality. Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Sexual reproduction can be random fusion of sperm and an egg, ok. But do you think the fusion of elements in the stars are just random too? Why do stars look pretty at night? Why do we study cosmology if they are just chaotic that doesn't make any sense? How could these elements create life in planets under the right conditions?
In reproduction, with all the right timing of sperms swimming around to get to that one egg, there is some rhythm to it. It's like winning the lotto.
Actually the egg pulls the sperm in.(digging deep in the attic of memory) And repulses unwanted sperm.

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#75536 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>would you rathter live longer in a cage or shorter and be free? why did your other birds keep trying to get out?
if your pets have to be caged to keep them from escaping, you are just a jailor, not a pet owner...
You're just jealous cause birds talk to me. lol. I know you're going to say that I might be hearing voices but I can really hear what they feel. I have an attachment to birds. So that makes my pets special.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#75537 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
whatever. I experience synchronicity or meaningful coincidences all the time. That's my reality. Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Sexual reproduction can be random fusion of sperm and an egg, ok. But do you think the fusion of elements in the stars are just random too? Why do stars look pretty at night? Why do we study cosmology if they are just chaotic that doesn't make any sense? How could these elements create life in planets under the right conditions?
In reproduction, with all the right timing of sperms swimming around to get to that one egg, there is some rhythm to it. It's like winning the lotto.
I notice coincidences all the time. they are just that, coincidences.

it is random as to whether the star has enough mass to get beyond the fusion into iron stage or go into the further stages of fusing heavier elements via novae or supernovae explosion.

so yes, that also is random.

no-one said there is choas in the universe, just no proof at all of any guiding hand or design.

i know many people think it would be nice, and it would make them feel more special if they were created on purpose, especially if the entire universe was set out so they could be created...but that is just silly, isn't it?( and super-egotistical)

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St. Croix valley

#75538 Feb 12, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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I'm half a page behind, you both sure have something else to work from than a simple laptop.
For two winters i wrapped the tree and the pot. The roots develop very fine, where i know that in an actual garden a trumpetleaf tree can have solid wide spread roots and enormous leaves. Great to sit under in summer. But in a pot the growth is stumped, that's how you get ever smaller plants.
nope...just a 6 year old laptop...actually had to get a new keypad put into it...

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#75539 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>I notice coincidences all the time. they are just that, coincidences.
it is random as to whether the star has enough mass to get beyond the fusion into iron stage or go into the further stages of fusing heavier elements via novae or supernovae explosion.
so yes, that also is random.
no-one said there is choas in the universe, just no proof at all of any guiding hand or design.
i know many people think it would be nice, and it would make them feel more special if they were created on purpose, especially if the entire universe was set out so they could be created...but that is just silly, isn't it?( and super-egotistical)
To me it's not egotistical. I'm humbled by it. It depends on your point of view.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#75540 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
You're just jealous cause birds talk to me. lol. I know you're going to say that I might be hearing voices but I can really hear what they feel. I have an attachment to birds. So that makes my pets special.
i too have an attachment to birds. my birds live in the wild and come and land on me and they also talk to me. no need to keep them in a jail.

perhaps your birds are suffering from stockholm syndrom?

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#75541 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
whatever. I experience synchronicity or meaningful coincidences all the time. That's my reality. Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Sexual reproduction can be random fusion of sperm and an egg, ok. But do you think the fusion of elements in the stars are just random too? Why do stars look pretty at night? Why do we study cosmology if they are just chaotic that doesn't make any sense? How could these elements create life in planets under the right conditions?
In reproduction, with all the right timing of sperms swimming around to get to that one egg, there is some rhythm to it. It's like winning the lotto.
Synchronicity just means you are grounded in the here and now and observant, but that does not suppose a god.
And whether something is random or not would also not suppose a god.

But frankly a god is just a number of attributions.
The 'h god'of hangovers for instance.
I'm however not surprised that you answered woodtick with a short 'whatever.'
I find it hard going to get people meta-talking about their faith.

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#75542 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>nope...just a 6 year old laptop...actually had to get a new keypad put into it...
mst be the server service then.
oldies are often best.

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#75543 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>i too have an attachment to birds. my birds live in the wild and come and land on me and they also talk to me. no need to keep them in a jail.
perhaps your birds are suffering from stockholm syndrom?
All the birds I had were not hand raised by me, I think that's why they got away or maybe the cage was too small. But I have an attachment even with wild birds. They can communicate with humans if you listen to them. Watch out for those mocking birds. lol

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#75544 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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To me it's not egotistical. I'm humbled by it. It depends on your point of view.
Thinking the universe was designed to bring forth your life isn't egotistical? how so?

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