Evolution vs. Creation

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#75499 Feb 12, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Yo sure you're not a panENtheist?
Isn't that a shampoo?

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#75500 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Again, why do you believe this. what led you to think this is the truth of the universe? some evidence suggesting it may be true? cool name? great swag from the regionsl distributor? what?
Because the concept makes sense to me. I thought that if God created everything then He is everything. If you study the laws of nature you would understand the patterns used in all creations. From DNA, to the Fibonacci sequence and golden mean or phi in plants and animals to the spiral galaxies in the universe.

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#75501 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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How do you know God could be outside his creations and then became his creations? Ever heard of Pandeism? I'm somewhat a Pandeist.
I believe in this claim:
"It is therefore most particularly the belief that the creator of the universe actually became the universe, and so ceased to exist as a separate and conscious entity."
but I don't agree with the concept of Deism alone:
Deism (that the creator-god who designed the universe no longer exists in a status where it can be reached, and can instead be confirmed only by reason)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandeism
Not to be confused with Pantheism.
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Panentheism (from Greek &#960;&#8118;&#957 ; (pn) "all"; &#7952;&#957; (en) "in"; and &#952;&#949;&#972; &#962; (thes) "God"; "all-in-God") is a belief system which posits that the divine (be it a monotheistic God, polytheistic gods, or an eternal cosmic animating force), interpenetrates every part of nature and timelessly extends beyond it. Panentheism differentiates itself from pantheism, which holds that the divine is synonymous with the universe.[1]

In panentheism, the universe in the first formulation is practically the whole itself. In the second formulation, the universe and the divine are not ontologically equivalent. In panentheism, God is viewed as the eternal animating force behind the universe. Some versions suggest that the universe is nothing more than the manifest part of God. In some forms of panentheism, the cosmos exists within God, who in turn "transcends", "pervades" or is "in" the cosmos. While pantheism asserts that 'All is God', panentheism goes further to claim that God is greater than the universe. In addition, some forms indicate that the universe is contained within God,[1] like in the concept of Tzimtzum. Much Hindu thought is highly characterized by panentheism and pantheism.[2][3] Hasidic Judaism merges the elite ideal of nullification to paradoxical transcendent Divine Panentheism, through intellectual articulation of inner dimensions of Kabbalah, with the populist emphasis on the panentheistic Divine immanence in everything and deeds of kindness.

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The latter would suggest that one would have some influence through acts of kindness/healing...that would be the deity part.
Not that by looking trough the hole in the CMBR we would suddenly find a pair of eyes staring back..

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#75502 Feb 12, 2013
oops forgot to delete.

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#75503 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the most common mistake with the iris is planting the corm (bulb) too deep. they like as much sun as they can get and you need to divide them REGULARLY. i too like the many and varied variety of iris flowers that have evolved on our puddly little rock...
put up many bird feeders and use oilers, then you'll get sunflowers in all your gardens whether you want them or not!
I was thinking of getting dove birds so that's a good thing with sunflowers then. But I really prefer the giant sunflowers than the wild ones. The iris will get a lot of sun from where I live.

Since: Mar 11

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#75504 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Because the concept makes sense to me. I thought that if God created everything then He is everything. If you study the laws of nature you would understand the patterns used in all creations. From DNA, to the Fibonacci sequence and golden mean or phi in plants and animals to the spiral galaxies in the universe.
not all galaxies are spirals. not all life follows the same patterns..

What led you to the god created everything part to begin with.

why even take up that basic premise?

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#75505 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>i do quite well with plants...mainly perennial flowers, never got into veggie gardening much until recently, and that is really a learning experience.
I still have loads of bulbs but no garden, so now it's about the art of getting them to grow in pots. How?
I gave my ast tree away to the church. Some disease ate the trees and they are the only ones having the place and that take in pathetic orphant democrats. In the summer i'm going to check up if they took care of it.

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#75506 Feb 12, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Just two links, nothing fancy, one even has cartoonlike pictures(i'm pretty sure the ones i posted last saturday or sunday were not read. Nor the one i reposted)
And at the same time i'm reviewing and sorting out if i still got it right, in my memory.
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/11...
Lyman alpha systems and cosmolgy
http://astro.berkeley.edu/~jcohn/lya.html
what about the big bang? How does it explain T0 +400,000?

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#75507 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>i do quite well with plants...mainly perennial flowers, never got into veggie gardening much until recently, and that is really a learning experience.
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>i do quite well with plants...mainly perennial flowers, never got into veggie gardening much until recently, and that is really a learning experience.
I still have loads of bulbs but no garden, so now it's about the art of getting them to grow in pots. How?
I gave my last tree away to the church. Some disease ate their trees and they are the only ones having the place and that take in pathetic orphant democrats. In the summer i'm going to check up if they took care of it.

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#75508 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the most common mistake with the iris is planting the corm (bulb) too deep. they like as much sun as they can get and you need to divide them REGULARLY. i too like the many and varied variety of iris flowers that have evolved on our puddly little rock...
put up many bird feeders and use oilers, then you'll get sunflowers in all your gardens whether you want them or not!
How is a hockey-team going to work?
I can't find a sensible link to 'oilers'...no clue

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#75509 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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what about the big bang? How does it explain T0 +400,000?
It's about the hydrogen nuclotide process. That would be the keyword.

Otherwise google hydrogen cosmology

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#75510 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>not all galaxies are spirals. not all life follows the same patterns..
What led you to the god created everything part to begin with.
why even take up that basic premise?
So everything that exists are just random things that existed by chance?

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#75511 Feb 12, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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I still have loads of bulbs but no garden, so now it's about the art of getting them to grow in pots. How?
I gave my last tree away to the church. Some disease ate their trees and they are the only ones having the place and that take in pathetic orphant democrats. In the summer i'm going to check up if they took care of it.
what type of bulbs? most of them like deep placement in prepared beds, i have never tried bulbs in posts...interesting...

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#75512 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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what about the big bang? How does it explain T0 +400,000?
Just read on. nucleotide correction.
So the process goes a little different.
Did you read the site i posted: 05 galaxies?
Combined with this pretty much explains it all.
In term of what we actually know/learned.

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#75513 Feb 12, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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How is a hockey-team going to work?
I can't find a sensible link to 'oilers'...no clue
type of sunflower seed commonly used for bird feeding.

google: black oiler sunflower seeds. high in oil content for good nutrition.

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#75514 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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So everything that exists are just random things that existed by chance?
Aren't you just a random thing that exists by chance? look at the randomness of which sperm fertilizes an egg, it isn' the first one, it takes so many to eat away at teh egg lining and one get through out of millions at random.

yes,. it is random. do you have aproblem with that? does it make you feel insignificant? do you have aneed to feel you were specially created? why?

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#75515 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text> what type of bulbs? most of them like deep placement in prepared beds, i have never tried bulbs in posts...interesting...
I just know how deep to plant them by estimating their size and judging the soil. Of some i haven't got a clue what they are.:)
Normally they should be underground allready for months.
See that's just it. We understand all about plots and soil but pots are like an alien invasion.

Since: Mar 11

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#75516 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I was thinking of getting dove birds so that's a good thing with sunflowers then. But I really prefer the giant sunflowers than the wild ones. The iris will get a lot of sun from where I live.
Please tell me you aren't thinking of keeping birds in a cage....

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#75517 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>type of sunflower seed commonly used for bird feeding.
google: black oiler sunflower seeds. high in oil content for good nutrition.
Talk about slang;0
For the birds thus and to plant them.
Well that's your birdfeeder in one go. So why would you put birdfeeders extra up?(I suddenly feel so dim :-/

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#75518 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Please tell me you aren't thinking of keeping birds in a cage....
a large cage outside yes. I've had parakeets but yeah they try to get away all the time. But I will try to hand raise a pet dove.

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