Evolution vs. Creation

Full story: Best of New Orleans

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
Comments
70,981 - 71,000 of 112,833 Comments Last updated 3 hrs ago

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75400
Feb 12, 2013
 

Judged:

1

KandaDogon wrote:
<quoted text>
Then tell me created these chemical products,who created these stars,who have permit the existance of these reactions?
WHO?
Your next post however says that WHO can not be defined notr understood.

Well untill you guys (old celtic for intelligent(s)) figure it out, we just take it that the elements on earth are nothing that does not come from heavy stars exploding first and then imploding.
Since we can find no other elements. And what we have is similar to what we find out there.

So you look for one huge step but fail to connect the dots in the meantime.

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75401
Feb 12, 2013
 

Judged:

1

KD wrote:The problem with you is that you try to image the nature of God, or gave him an anthropomorphous appearance, noone can imagine the nature of God,and if you say that the deep space hold the answers then tell me how the deep space appeared?
---

So what's the WHO question about than...?

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75402
Feb 12, 2013
 

Judged:

1

1

1

gotnatas wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice try. Human beings are very good at deluding themselves and backward rationalizing when there wrong. Fact is prayer like god is indistinguishable from when it works and from when it doesn't. Sorry but be don't see massive documentation for when it works.
When it supposably does work its usually either laziness on the persons part, like when someones cancer goes away for no known reason, there to lazy to look for a more plausible alternate explanation, or *any* other explanation. But seeing as they have a vested interest towards there wishful thing that's understandable.
Or its the payer got answered, but in a very round about sort of way. Ie: backward rationalizing. "well I wanted A, but I got c.5...it works!!!"
But the greatest part,(and you demonstrated this in your post) the fail safe you install yourselves for when it doesn't work is...
<quoted text>
Oh the convenience!!
See this way yall can keep lying to your selves and never be the wiser.
"did your payer work??.
Naw, Shiva works when she wants to."
See if payer worked, or er didn't, at least the god in question could have his Secretary send a "denial of application" paper in the mail to show when it didn't work. Plus it would give us metric to gauge prayer from when it works and when it doesn't.
Sorry but payer is nothing more then "mere wishes".
Actually you are the one with the psychological fail safes...calling someone delusion, because you fail to grasp certain concepts is just one of many.

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75403
Feb 12, 2013
 
Also from The Perimater Institute (dr. Param Singh: on the very small scale gravity repulses instead of attracts.)

Forget solid, liquid, and gas: there are in fact more than 500 phases of matter. In a major paper in today's issue of Science, Perimeter Faculty member and the BMO Financial Group Isaac Newton Chair in Theoretical Physics at Perimeter Institute Xiao-Gang Wen reveals a modern reclassification of all of them.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75405
Feb 12, 2013
 

Judged:

1

MAAT wrote:
DA-innate
A language search shows that it always mean Innate, inner- interconnection that can not be broken, symbiosis.
We can even go from (roumenian yes)da-ida-ita(thus latin).
And i presume also da-the:theos-deos.
And in Ewe we see it even means mother, bow and snake (twine,creation-myth or for the milky way one can see from the region), all to do with necessary connection.
Similar meaning: of,from,the
D(alet)paleo-hebrew: door, way, path, womb a.o.
Also in sumerian we find innate.
BU.BA corner(s) as in winddirection. BU-sharp DA-innate. Or of, is, be.
Did you know that the word flirt originally meant "stroke of wit?"

lol

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75406
Feb 12, 2013
 
perimater-perimeter

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75407
Feb 12, 2013
 

Judged:

1

1

1

KandaDogon wrote:
<quoted text>
ok i made a mistake, then WHAT permited the happening these reations
Laws of physics, chemistry.
Start tiny and simple and it build by making connections that influence the environment.
Vacuum and branes, geons, would be one theory.
Or maybe we are an universe in a universe.
Or parallel multiverses.
Huge black holes interacting again(i've discounted that one since black holes do have limits and emit matter.)

There are a lot of theories with their mathematics.
But first we have to find the working principles, try to falsify all those theories.

Like establising that there are 500 forms of matter.
Well also that will be reviewed.
Or whether the fabric of the universe has some sort of foamy structure.

As an aside:
What makes god problematic is the tendency of believers to ever extend god. God of the gaps.
From tribal, it goes to empire, then the world, followed with the milkyway. When we could look beyond the milkyway suddenly god get's bigger too as well as causal.
So what if there are multiverses each in their own parallel bubble, is it the same god too?

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75408
Feb 12, 2013
 
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you know that the word flirt originally meant "stroke of wit?"
lol
No, i did not, but had some social researchers known that, they would ages ago have figured out that wit makes people attractive.
Fascinating languages.
Now i'll look for the original meaaning of wit

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75409
Feb 12, 2013
 

Judged:

1

Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you know the word hydrogen was derived from the french word/suffix 'hydro-gene'
maybe that's a clue.
Sure.

Means "water-maker" - if you burn it, you get water.

Clue to what?

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75411
Feb 12, 2013
 
wit (n.)
"mental capacity," Old English wit, more commonly gewit, from Proto-Germanic *witjan (cf. Old Saxon wit, Old Norse vit, Danish vid, Swedish vett, Old Frisian wit, Old High German wizzi "knowledge, understanding, intelligence, mind," German Witz "wit, witticism, joke," Gothic unwiti "ignorance"), from PIE *woid-/*weid-/*wid- "to see," metaphorically "to know" (see vision). Related to Old English witan "to know" (source of wit (v.)). Meaning "ability to make clever remarks in an amusing way" is first recorded 1540s; that of "person of wit or learning" is from late 15c. For nuances of usage, see humor.
A witty saying proves nothing.[Voltaire, Diner du Comte de Boulainvilliers]
wit (v.)
"know," Old English witan "to know," from Proto-Germanic *witanan "to have seen," hence "to know" (cf. Old Saxon witan, Old Norse vita, Old Frisian wita, Middle Dutch, Dutch weten, Old High German wizzan, German wissen, Gothic witan "to know"); see wit (n.). The phrase to wit, almost the only surviving use of the verb, is first recorded 1570s, from earlier that is to wit (mid-14c.), probably a loan-translation of Anglo-French cestasavoir, used to render Latin videlicet (see viz.).

Ah someone who knows much sees much. In greek to see is also used as allusion to intelligence.
They even had a short form. Like we use acronyms.
Used f.i. where later jesus was inserted in bibles.
The same use of see as know in the hebrew, f.i. Abram saw more then most, the mindseye.
wit
an

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75413
Feb 12, 2013
 
KandaDogon wrote:
<quoted text>
So you do believe that these physical and chemical laws triggered by themseves from the nothingness?
Yes. That 'nothingness' is essential for the process.
A few days back i (re)posted a paper, 3 in one, about it.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75414
Feb 12, 2013
 

Judged:

2

2

1

KandaDogon wrote:
<quoted text>
Then tell me created these chemical products,who created these stars,who have permit the existance of these reactions?
Your ignorance of science is not proof of your deity.

Go to your local library* and get a copy of "We Need To Talk About Kelvin", by science writer Marcus Chown.

It's a good primer on astrophysics, but don't be frightened - it's virtually in baby-talk.

__________
*Usually a big building with books in it. You can borrow them.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75415
Feb 12, 2013
 
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you know that the word flirt originally meant "stroke of wit?"
lol
Originally, it meant "sneer".

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75417
Feb 12, 2013
 
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stroke#Etymolog...

flirting as stroke of wit, i would define as a prank (dutch streek) of seeing.

It's not like a coupe de foudre: lightning stroke when peole fall madly in love.

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75419
Feb 12, 2013
 
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Originally, it meant "sneer".
Your flirting at our gentle dispositions!
lol
I wonder how you got to that meaning.

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75420
Feb 12, 2013
 
KandaDogon wrote:
<quoted text>
Then tell me how the nothingness appeared?
You suppose the same when the creation account is interpreted as the world was created from nothing.
I still have to find the first belever that ever wondered about that being true. Or what it was and where they left god in the first place.
What is nothing! How have you defined it KD?

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75421
Feb 12, 2013
 
KandaDogon wrote:
<quoted text>
If you discover a computer in a vast desert, will you say that this computer creat itself?
No i'll say it was nicked from a government truck.

Incomparable, and the way i know deserts is that you frankly stumble over people.
First nothing and 5 minutes later you have an entire village staring at you.

In Nostre Aetate the 1950 papal writ to improve relations between all faiths and the later follow up of 2005, it is noted that relations with muslims and the other faiths are excellent.
'The muslims have cordially given us the use of their deserts for the dead after judgement day.'
:P)
Alien Outlaw

Kansas City, MO

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75422
Feb 12, 2013
 
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
We know what side you're on but Science wants answers. To fully understand everything is to be somewhat on all sides. We can't dismiss something that evidently has a purpose. For example, you keep talking about aliens but have you figured out why they create esoteric symbols such as the Tree of Life on crop circles? What is the connection they're trying to make?
Crop circles are human humor hoaxes. Tin foil hats are human brain protectors. Might as well add the Bible and monkey DNA, its all relative.

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75423
Feb 12, 2013
 
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Originally, it meant "sneer".
Supposedly from the sneering sarcasm of the philosophers, but more likely from Kynosarge "Gray Dog," name of the gymnasium outside ancient Athens.

To snarl, grin, gnash ones teeth.

So i think it must be the second meaning of sneer-to mock.

“Putten the SIN ”

Level 3

Since: Nov 08

back in Wisconsin

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#75424
Feb 12, 2013
 

Judged:

1

KandaDogon wrote:
<quoted text>
If you look at the univers,you can see how everything is made in great harmony,measure,and smarteness; look at your own intelligence,the interractions between vegetations and human beins, the presence of the stars that guide human being on the sea and during the night,the water coming from the heaven to produice vegetations to nourrrich us and our cattles;the existance of the night for our rest and the day for our quest of bounty,the fact that everything is in pair from humans to animals;the diversity and colors of everything....according to you all this is the result of a random chemical accident!?
Its a simple answer for your question. Water takes the shape of the puddle its in. When you look at life, it conforms to the environment around it, not the other way around.

What you stated is an argument from incredulity. No offense but it can also be called the argument from *LAZINESS* and or argument of *i have a preconceived notion for no legitimate reason, and this notion doesn't really answer anything, but im gonna go with it anyways*.

And for the people who scoff at the possibility of all this around us being random chance.

So what!!

stop being lazy. If that's what it is then that's what it is. The same goes for if a god like being made everything.

Learn to deal.

Tell me when this thread is updated: (Registration is not required)

Add to my Tracker Send me an email

Type in your comments below
Name
(appears on your post)
Comments
Characters left: 4000
Type the numbers you see in the image on the right:

Please note by clicking on "Post Comment" you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

87 Users are viewing the Weird Forum right now

Search the Weird Forum:
Title Updated Last By Comments
What song are you listening to right now? (Apr '08) 12 min wichita-rick 141,321
Man run over by own truck during road rage 33 min Marcavage s Emission 1
Car Dealer Gives Woman Refund - in Pennies 38 min Marcavage s Emission 7
Interesting Quotes (Jun '11) 54 min wichita-rick 13,029
How did you get over a broken heart? (Oct '09) 1 hr Sublime1 263
Word Association (Jun '10) 1 hr SUG here 26,000
Tortoise an Accomplice in Alligator's Zoo Escape? 1 hr Marcavage s Emission 2
El's Kitchen (Feb '09) 3 hr TenderTink 34,946
What are you thinking about now? (Jun '10) 3 hr Petal Power 14,967
•••
•••