Evolution vs. Creation

woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>would you rathter live longer in a cage or shorter and be free? why did your other birds keep trying to get out?
if your pets have to be caged to keep them from escaping, you are just a jailor, not a pet owner...

You're just jealous cause birds talk to me. lol. I know you're going to say that I might be hearing voices but I can really hear what they feel. I have an attachment to birds. So that makes my pets special.

Cybele wrote:

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whatever. I experience synchronicity or meaningful coincidences all the time. That's my reality. Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Sexual reproduction can be random fusion of sperm and an egg, ok. But do you think the fusion of elements in the stars are just random too? Why do stars look pretty at night? Why do we study cosmology if they are just chaotic that doesn't make any sense? How could these elements create life in planets under the right conditions?
In reproduction, with all the right timing of sperms swimming around to get to that one egg, there is some rhythm to it. It's like winning the lotto.

I notice coincidences all the time. they are just that, coincidences.

it is random as to whether the star has enough mass to get beyond the fusion into iron stage or go into the further stages of fusing heavier elements via novae or supernovae explosion.

so yes, that also is random.

no-one said there is choas in the universe, just no proof at all of any guiding hand or design.

i know many people think it would be nice, and it would make them feel more special if they were created on purpose, especially if the entire universe was set out so they could be created...but that is just silly, isn't it?( and super-egotistical)

MAAT wrote:

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I'm half a page behind, you both sure have something else to work from than a simple laptop.
For two winters i wrapped the tree and the pot. The roots develop very fine, where i know that in an actual garden a trumpetleaf tree can have solid wide spread roots and enormous leaves. Great to sit under in summer. But in a pot the growth is stumped, that's how you get ever smaller plants.

nope...just a 6 year old laptop...actually had to get a new keypad put into it...

woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>I notice coincidences all the time. they are just that, coincidences.
it is random as to whether the star has enough mass to get beyond the fusion into iron stage or go into the further stages of fusing heavier elements via novae or supernovae explosion.
so yes, that also is random.
no-one said there is choas in the universe, just no proof at all of any guiding hand or design.
i know many people think it would be nice, and it would make them feel more special if they were created on purpose, especially if the entire universe was set out so they could be created...but that is just silly, isn't it?( and super-egotistical)

To me it's not egotistical. I'm humbled by it. It depends on your point of view.

Cybele wrote:

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You're just jealous cause birds talk to me. lol. I know you're going to say that I might be hearing voices but I can really hear what they feel. I have an attachment to birds. So that makes my pets special.

i too have an attachment to birds. my birds live in the wild and come and land on me and they also talk to me. no need to keep them in a jail.

perhaps your birds are suffering from stockholm syndrom?

Cybele wrote:

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whatever. I experience synchronicity or meaningful coincidences all the time. That's my reality. Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Sexual reproduction can be random fusion of sperm and an egg, ok. But do you think the fusion of elements in the stars are just random too? Why do stars look pretty at night? Why do we study cosmology if they are just chaotic that doesn't make any sense? How could these elements create life in planets under the right conditions?
In reproduction, with all the right timing of sperms swimming around to get to that one egg, there is some rhythm to it. It's like winning the lotto.

Synchronicity just means you are grounded in the here and now and observant, but that does not suppose a god.
And whether something is random or not would also not suppose a god.

But frankly a god is just a number of attributions.
The 'óh god'of hangovers for instance.
I'm however not surprised that you answered woodtick with a short 'whatever.'
I find it hard going to get people meta-talking about their faith.

woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>nope...just a 6 year old laptop...actually had to get a new keypad put into it...

mst be the server service then.
oldies are often best.

woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>i too have an attachment to birds. my birds live in the wild and come and land on me and they also talk to me. no need to keep them in a jail.
perhaps your birds are suffering from stockholm syndrom?

All the birds I had were not hand raised by me, I think that's why they got away or maybe the cage was too small. But I have an attachment even with wild birds. They can communicate with humans if you listen to them. Watch out for those mocking birds. lol

Cybele wrote:

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To me it's not egotistical. I'm humbled by it. It depends on your point of view.

Thinking the universe was designed to bring forth your life isn't egotistical? how so?

MAAT wrote:

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Synchronicity just means you are grounded in the here and now and observant, but that does not suppose a god.
And whether something is random or not would also not suppose a god.
But frankly a god is just a number of attributions.
The 'óh god'of hangovers for instance.
I'm however not surprised that you answered woodtick with a short 'whatever.'
I find it hard going to get people meta-talking about their faith.

Remember pantheism? God is the entirety of the universe. No dogma just nature and the universe.

Cybele wrote:

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To me it's not egotistical. I'm humbled by it. It depends on your point of view.

I posted a quote i one reply to woodtick about how the person thought evolution dispicable if a greater superior inherent intelligence (that poster posts a lot of that crap. India higer classes not to mix with lower, spoilling the almost deified genes, and historically no leg to stand on. They came from cowhered that antered the country 150 BC from actually the Arian part of persia.
Bit of a search on old maps. But started to get attitude, and claimed a couple of zero's extra to their provenance.)
because that would make him feelinferior.
Feeling humbled is not actually the same, but to me it kind of holds that connotations.

If god is everywhere and in you why should your act than humble you? Giving is greater then receiving?

woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>Thinking the universe was designed to bring forth your life isn't egotistical? how so?

We are here to experience LOVE. So in return we give love to nature and the universe. But that's just my poetic side. Though I'm not a hypocrite, I experience hate as well but I use it for learning experience. It's what makes loving tougher. But I grew up on tough love so.

Cybele wrote:

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Remember pantheism? God is the entirety of the universe. No dogma just nature and the universe.

nothing in nature suggest this to be true, it ia the invention of the human mind...

Knock, knock...Cybele...still there, or are you overcome by our seemingly contradicting synchronicity;)

woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>nothing in nature suggest this to be true, it ia the invention of the human mind...

No one is telling you to believe it. Don't worry, it doesn't really make you a bad person for not believing. To me, even the most evil can still have a use. Nature can be violent too. We bad storms and natural disasters. The end must justify the means.

Cybele wrote:

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We are here to experience LOVE. So in return we give love to nature and the universe. But that's just my poetic side. Though I'm not a hypocrite, I experience hate as well but I use it for learning experience. It's what makes loving tougher. But I grew up on tough love so.

Why are the animals not capable of such higher brain function as love here for?

MAAT wrote:

Knock, knock...Cybele...still there, or are you overcome by our seemingly contradicting synchronicity;)

why do the opposite poles of magnet attract each other?

Nature and the universe->humbled
...set out to be a place as pinacle for you->egotistical

hmm YHWH had a mutual deal: a place, land and people for you and for me.
Filling the earth with bubbing enthousiastic fiery yest for life and living.(old Heraclitus 500 CE everything is in flow) And obviously being part of that. The very definition of YHWH would come close to live:be.
So hold that over /above everything.
Do not kill it.

Cybele wrote:

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No one is telling you to believe it. Don't worry, it doesn't really make you a bad person for not believing. To me, even the most evil can still have a use. Nature can be violent too. We bad storms and natural disasters. The end must justify the means.

I'm not worried, i know i am not a bad person.

just wondering why people believe things that are notsuggested by any examples in the real, observable world, but are just neat sounding ideas they wish were true...

woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>Why are the animals not capable of such higher brain function as love here for?

Most people think animals are dumb or that they can't understand humans. But they do. It's us who needs to understand them if we have intellect right? They have a different way of showing affection. They do protect their young. But the predators are just the beast of nature.