Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216623 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#74957 Feb 9, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Yes. If evolution was a slow process, then how do you explain the evolution of intelligence in a span of only thousands of years? If you could not see the flaws in that theory, then you have a problem.
Humans have been around for about 200,000 years, and about 50,000 years ago we got smarter (probably developed language).

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#74958 Feb 9, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I know what a cro-magnon is
It's out.
That's the latest i read about it. Just as the homonids were renamed. Ah, who can keep up.
Christine still uses the term, saw no chance to ask.

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#74959 Feb 9, 2013
More correctly.
The are reclassed as Early Homo-Sapience, after genetic research.
But are distinct in bone features.

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#74960 Feb 9, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Yes. If evolution was a slow process, then how do you explain the evolution of intelligence in a span of only thousands of years? If you could not see the flaws in that theory, then you have a problem.
How many thousands of years
How did you figure that?
Do you have a link?

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#74961 Feb 9, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Everyone knows any animal say a dog or monkey will not be able to learn new tricks without any kind of human intervention.
that's not even remotely true.

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#74962 Feb 9, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Everyone knows any animal say a dog or monkey will not be able to learn new tricks without any kind of human intervention.
you should look into the intelligence of octopus. and ravens.

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#74963 Feb 9, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Humans have been around for about 200,000 years, and about 50,000 years ago we got smarter (probably developed language).
I did say thousand of years. You think a clueless great ape would invent language all of a sudden? If you understand anything about linguistics, you would know that all languages were not an accident. They are all linked to each other and something to do with consciousness. So how did we achieve consciousness without any type of intervention? Do animals learn new tricks on their own?

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#74964 Feb 9, 2013
MAAT wrote:
More correctly.
The are reclassed as Early Homo-Sapience, after genetic research.
But are distinct in bone features.
It's spelled "Sapiens"

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#74965 Feb 9, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>you should look into the intelligence of octopus. and ravens.
I know that already. Even dolphins are smarter that anyone thinks. but that doesn't answer my question.

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#74966 Feb 9, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I did say thousand of years. You think a clueless great ape would invent language all of a sudden? If you understand anything about linguistics, you would know that all languages were not an accident. They are all linked to each other and something to do with consciousness. So how did we achieve consciousness without any type of intervention? Do animals learn new tricks on their own?
yes, animals do learn on their own.

so how did the other animals get their intelligence.(the same way we did. through evolution.)

hominids did not invent language all of a sudden as stated they were around for a long time.

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#74967 Feb 9, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I know that already. Even dolphins are smarter that anyone thinks. but that doesn't answer my question.
it shows animals can learn... no god needed.

it shows that intelligence is not such a unique thing.

no reason that humans are even the ultimate species of this planet. i'm rooting for the octopi...

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#74968 Feb 9, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I did say thousand of years. You think a clueless great ape would invent language all of a sudden? If you understand anything about linguistics, you would know that all languages were not an accident. They are all linked to each other and something to do with consciousness. So how did we achieve consciousness without any type of intervention? Do animals learn new tricks on their own?
Who ever said language was developed suddenly? Actually there seems to be several different language groups that don't seem to be connected or related.

I believe I have heard of monkeys developing new behavior without human intervention, but sadly I can't remember where.

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#74969 Feb 9, 2013
have a fun night....C-ya.

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#74970 Feb 9, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yes, animals do learn on their own.
so how did the other animals get their intelligence.(the same way we did. through evolution.)
hominids did not invent language all of a sudden as stated they were around for a long time.
Any species has some level of intelligence. But we can't train them to learn extraordinary tricks without human intervention.

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#74971 Feb 9, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
have a fun night....C-ya.
nite. When you have the answer, get back to me. ;-)

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#74972 Feb 9, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Who ever said language was developed suddenly? Actually there seems to be several different language groups that don't seem to be connected or related.
I believe I have heard of monkeys developing new behavior without human intervention, but sadly I can't remember where.
Even linguists, psychologists, and anthropologists of today don't have an answer. Neither did Darwin.

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#74973 Feb 9, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Humans have been around for about 200,000 years, and about 50,000 years ago we got smarter (probably developed language).
That's the gene for the voiebox, been traced back and pinpointed.

But the more variation and the more SNPá are involved the more chance of more neuronal connections being made.
The size of the hypocampus matters (Alzheimer and various. Gene for that also found)
Then the upkeep HFCS really will make people stupid. It crates acidity in the brain and hyperclucose that the insuline can't regulate anymore. Ala and fatty fish fats counteracts this.

I always understood that size of the entire brain is not the issue, but the number of connections and the health of these connections. And one indicator, from the outside would be the grooves. The morre your brains match a cauliflower, the better at problemsolving.

in a French study scientist did however research that only measured the bulk.

the rationale could be this:
The brain scans found drifting IQ mirrored by changes in density of nerves and other cells in parts of brains, suggesting drifts are real changes in ability, not varying concentration, mood or motivation.
Article on variation in teenager intelligence, or why 11y.+ test could actually not be a good indicator. And speculation that this could also be the case for grown-ups. Variation even upto 21 points.

So all genes involved in the upkeep count, and that might be the non-DNA again.

http://cosmosmagazine.com/news/intelligence-g...
The French study.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/aug/09...
Genetic difference is important.

So being a social animal, a voicebox and added extra, a bigger population with more variation, a change in diet (cooked food is a suggestion, higher caloric yield from less food) more fish, a change in environment that called for more inventive ways.
Retro-breeding with bigger-brained Neanderthals and Denizovans.

But the start would be with the last split from the simians when big genetic changes and duplication really took of.

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#74974 Feb 9, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Any species has some level of intelligence. But we can't train them to learn extraordinary tricks without human intervention.
Good we invented the door and a doorhandle.

For now the cat can open it by making a salto mortale from the roof and by hanging on for dearlife and pushing with one hindleg and the other keeping balance.(saw a funny video like that once.)

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#74975 Feb 9, 2013
Cybele i do care about you throwing any cat of the roof to learn it that trick.

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#74976 Feb 9, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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That's the gene for the voiebox, been traced back and pinpointed.
But the more variation and the more SNPá are involved the more chance of more neuronal connections being made.
The size of the hypocampus matters (Alzheimer and various. Gene for that also found)
Then the upkeep HFCS really will make people stupid. It crates acidity in the brain and hyperclucose that the insuline can't regulate anymore. Ala and fatty fish fats counteracts this.
I always understood that size of the entire brain is not the issue, but the number of connections and the health of these connections. And one indicator, from the outside would be the grooves. The morre your brains match a cauliflower, the better at problemsolving.
in a French study scientist did however research that only measured the bulk.
the rationale could be this:
The brain scans found drifting IQ mirrored by changes in density of nerves and other cells in parts of brains, suggesting drifts are real changes in ability, not varying concentration, mood or motivation.
Article on variation in teenager intelligence, or why 11y.+ test could actually not be a good indicator. And speculation that this could also be the case for grown-ups. Variation even upto 21 points.
So all genes involved in the upkeep count, and that might be the non-DNA again.
http://cosmosmagazine.com/news/intelligence-g...
The French study.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/aug/09...
Genetic difference is important.
So being a social animal, a voicebox and added extra, a bigger population with more variation, a change in diet (cooked food is a suggestion, higher caloric yield from less food) more fish, a change in environment that called for more inventive ways.
Retro-breeding with bigger-brained Neanderthals and Denizovans.
But the start would be with the last split from the simians when big genetic changes and duplication really took of.
Food has nothing to do with it. All it does is affect your metabolism and hormones. A skinny person can be as intelligent as a fat person. Your link explains the brain size linked to DNA code. I'm not sure about that. I think there is something about consciousness that we still don't have an answer to. Being a social animal isn't the answer. What made us a social animal in the first place? Nature and nurture. We respond to stimuli. So if great apes responded to their environment like how we do now, then there was something present in the environment during their time.

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