Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Full Story

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#74467 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>if Ricky Santorum and his crowd had their way they would be...
Santorum. The dude who couldn't even carry his home state in the primaries.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74468 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>what more interesting ideas would those be?
Care to buy an imagination?

Really? You can't think of anymore MORE interesting about our vast universe and our amazing knowledge than ... evolution.

You just made the case for the lack of evolution with you own personal self.

“That's just MY opinion...”

Since: Jan 07

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#74469 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
It's not enough.
200,000 years humans have been around.
Not a single deviation from the norm.
The same holds true for every other species, millions of years, no changes.
The DNA is astoundingly rigid and unyielding. Darwin didn't count on that, the model assumed that nature WANTED changes to continue to develop and become better.
It has not proven true. There is not the tinest fraction of mutations necessary to even begin a transition.
The model fails.
Breeders have been able to produce a wide range of breeds among animals they've worked with. The variations they have to work with are the same as those for natural selection. There goes your claim.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Bay of Fundy

#74470 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!!
Why have you brought religion into this?
There is no evidence for evolution. Not one bit. The theories do not hold. The mutations do not occur. The fossil record does not confirm. Science itself dictates the evolutionary model has no standing. It is a REASONABLE theory, but after 150 years of still filling in countless, and infinite gaps, the evidence just isn't there. Modern biology no longer can be used to support it, life is far more complex than ever Darwin could have guessed at.
And it was Christians that advanced the theory of evolution more than anyone else in its humble beginnings. There was never a motive for Christians to denounce it, as it does not in any way conflict with theology. There is no motive or conspiracy against evolution, and never was.
And it is NOT modern knowledge. It is archaic, outdated, and outmoded in light of todays science. No other pursuit has done more damage to the scientific community than the continued pursuit of a bad dream that is evolution.
You are the flat-earther. But it takes people waking up, and removing the bias of such phrases of "well established facts" which is nothing more than an intellectual disgusting way of saying something is true without any evidence.
Go to your local library and check out Jerry Coyne's book "Why Evolution is True" read it, and then get back to us.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74471 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the scientific community always lets challengers come forth, but to change a well established theory, one needs some serious proof.
look at the sestablished clovis man theory. Evidence seems to be building against it but as yet, no-one has been able to definitively prove it is wrong. tons oand tons of work being done on trying to find that evidence and those people are not scoffed at or ridiculed, but their findings are severely reviewed.
this is how science works. evidence and review.
Not so.

Manmade climate change and evolution are maintained as absolute, and anyone that challenges them in any university, anywhere in the Western world not given a chance to challenge either.

That is well attested and confirmed.

The experience of Galileo was not an isolated incident. It is a human problem, we fear change, and the scientific community is not immune from human nature.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74472 Feb 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Santorum. The dude who couldn't even carry his home state in the primaries.
the man who openly stated he wants to turn the US into a theocracy....and he was the number 2 guy for the GOP...

i fear for my country...

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#74473 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the scientific community always lets challengers come forth, but to change a well established theory, one needs some serious proof.

look at the sestablished clovis man theory. Evidence seems to be building against it but as yet, no-one has been able to definitively prove it is wrong. tons oand tons of work being done on trying to find that evidence and those people are not scoffed at or ridiculed, but their findings are severely reviewed.

this is how science works. evidence and review.
Science is so broken that its still calling three theories, theories when they been proven (yes proven) to fail. And that's not including the evolution myth.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74474 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Care to buy an imagination?
Really? You can't think of anymore MORE interesting about our vast universe and our amazing knowledge than ... evolution.
You just made the case for the lack of evolution with you own personal self.
Ummm. dude, you are mixing at least three different fields of science together.
fields that have very disparate and far flung ranges of study.

you really have absolutely no idea what you are toalking about. Please stop. it hurts to watch people make such fools of themselves.

( on the upside, me posting your comments on my daughters site might in fact help get increased funding for STEM studies in this country....)

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74475 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the fact that you use the term "something out of nothing" shows you don't have even the slightest idea of the hteory you think you can debunk.
try to learn the basics of the theory first, lest you continue to look so foolish.
Not at all.

Either the universe always existed, or it emerged from somewhere.

All scientific evidence points to an expansion of the universe with no chance of it coming back together. So that pretty much crushes the the static state theory, that's why it was rejected, and replaced with the Big Bang theory.

I simplify for the simple minds, such as yourself.

Rest assured, woody, I know more about science than you will ever know, in many different fields, and history as well. I have a vast storehouse of information. Do you?

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#74476 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>You mean I will die and my existence will end like ALL others...yes.

no god, gods or goddesses have ever been shown to ever have existed, regardless of what your cult tells you to parrot.
Yes you most certainty will die.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74477 Feb 7, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Science is so broken that its still calling three theories, theories when they been proven (yes proven) to fail. And that's not including the evolution myth.
you do not understand what a scientific theory is.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74478 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Not so.
Manmade climate change and evolution are maintained as absolute, and anyone that challenges them in any university, anywhere in the Western world not given a chance to challenge either.
That is well attested and confirmed.
The experience of Galileo was not an isolated incident. It is a human problem, we fear change, and the scientific community is not immune from human nature.
if they could provide evidence that would suggest a rational study that shows contrary results, they surely would be funded.

See, you really do not understand how that field works, yet you feel free to wank on about ceaselessly.

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74479 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>EXploded?!? seriously? that is the numbver one sign to look for that the commenter has not one clue as to what thye are talking about...
your making as ass out yourself, dude.
I wasn't aware I was before a panel of learned men.

Sorry I state things in laymen's terms so that people like you might better understand the basics.

But you are just whining at this point. You know you have nothing. You've been whining about me coming along as challenging your world view since the beginning.

Not a single person has provided supporting evidence for evolution. Not one of you has explained how there are another mutations to make the theory work.

You just lean on more learned men and women than yourself, and point to their articles as the authority, and proclaim them to be right, without checking the evidence yourself.

That makes you a religious fanatic. How does that make you feel?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74480 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all.
Either the universe always existed, or it emerged from somewhere.
All scientific evidence points to an expansion of the universe with no chance of it coming back together. So that pretty much crushes the the static state theory, that's why it was rejected, and replaced with the Big Bang theory.
I simplify for the simple minds, such as yourself.
Rest assured, woody, I know more about science than you will ever know, in many different fields, and history as well. I have a vast storehouse of information. Do you?
you know more about science than i yet you say the bing bang was an explosion? that it came from nothing?

no, you just proved that you do not, in any way, no more about this than i do, or my grandson and he is not even in schoolyet.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#74481 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, I don't know what POE stands for.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

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Albuquerque, NM

#74482 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, the theory of evolution predicted that island inhabitants would evolve faster.
fool.
No, they predicted they would CHANGE faster. Once again, your using the wrong word, not the evolutionary model. It does not support the model at all, just the fact that things CHANGE.

No one can argue that things don't change. Adopting to a new environment is evidence of change ... not evolution.

Oh look, it's cold.

Let me put on a jacket.

I've changed my form, and my outside appearance.

Evolution!

See how foolish you are? You don't even understand the very science you proclaim to support.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74483 Feb 7, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
<quoted text>
Breeders have been able to produce a wide range of breeds among animals they've worked with. The variations they have to work with are the same as those for natural selection. There goes your claim.
the fact that all dogs came from one species would be another good example. ion only 15,000 years or so...

Hmmmm...what happened to that millions of years bullshit?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74484 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
No, they predicted they would CHANGE faster. Once again, your using the wrong word, not the evolutionary model. It does not support the model at all, just the fact that things CHANGE.
No one can argue that things don't change. Adopting to a new environment is evidence of change ... not evolution.
Oh look, it's cold.
Let me put on a jacket.
I've changed my form, and my outside appearance.
Evolution!
See how foolish you are? You don't even understand the very science you proclaim to support.
no, it predicted they would evolve faster.and they have. more of that evidence you say doesn't exist.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#74485 Feb 7, 2013
Yeah, and here is more of the science that is not being performed by scientists who don't really believe in the Theory of Evolution that answers a question about the development of lungs.

BRAND NEW, AS OF TODAY (2/7/2013).

CT scans help answer question of how fish lungs evolved.

February 7th, 2013 in Biology / Evolution

http://phys.org/news/2013-02-ct-scans-fish-lu...

( Phys.org )—One of the great problems of evolution is to understand how the major features of organisms have changed over great swaths of time. How did limbs evolve from fins? How did bird feathers arise from scales?

The lung is a major organ of great functional importance for vertebrates (animals with backbones). Since the mid-19th century, most biologists have thought that in living fishes, gas bladders—internal bags of air to which fishes can add or eliminate oxygen to control buoyancy—are simply a modified version of an ancestral pair of lungs. Others think lungs and gas bladders are completely different organs.

New research at Cornell using computed tomography (CT) technology has gone a long way toward showing that lungs and gas bladders really are variations of the same organ.

Watch the QuickTime video of the scan of a Florida gar: down through the spine, out to the inside surface of the interlocking sheath of heavy scales that encases a gar, and then into the central chamber of the gar's swim bladder, traveling all the way to the front of the swim bladder, just behind the head.

By proving that several ray-finned fishes, namely sturgeons and paddlefishes, as well as bowfin, have pulmonary arteries like those that supply the lungs of vertebrates, the researchers show that the common ancestor of all these fishes must have originally had lungs supplied by a pulmonary artery.

The micro-CT enabled researchers to look at resolutions of 25 microns, about the width of a human hair. "This is biology as we've never been able to see it before," said Amy McCune, co-author of the study and professor and chair of ecology and evolutionary biology. "We're studying biological diversity from the inside out."

The paper's lead author, Sarah Longo '11, a graduate student at the University of California-Davis, began the research for her honors thesis with McCune. Mark Riccio, director of the Cornell Multiscale CT Facility in the Institute of Biotechnology, is also a co-author; the paper was published Feb. 5 in the online version of the Journal of Morphology.

"Using our state-of-the-art, high-resolution X-ray CT scanners, we noninvasively created 3-dimensional datasets that could be examined from multiple perspectives," explained Riccio. By studying the CT scans of blood vessels filled with X-ray opaque barium in lungfishes, bowfin and several other related fishes, the Cornell researchers showed that other fishes in the lineage that includes bowfin actually have tiny vestigial pulmonary arteries, which branch off from a parent vessel in the same way that pulmonary arteries branch in tetrapods and lungfishes. The arteries in gas bladder fish, therefore, are actually vestigial pulmonary arteries that have been co-opted for new functions. The researchers hypothesize that this evolutionary change occurred either by the loss of respiration or by dorsal shifts in the anatomical structures of these fishes.

Longo points out that scientists have known about the vestigial arteries for a long time, but because traditional dissection and corrosive casting techniques lose detail, no one made the connection with pulmonary arteries. "One of the great things about this research was that by using a new technique and having an undergraduate look at it with fresh eyes we found something new," says Longo.

Provided by Cornell University

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74486 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
No, they predicted they would CHANGE faster. Once again, your using the wrong word, not the evolutionary model. It does not support the model at all, just the fact that things CHANGE.
No one can argue that things don't change. Adopting to a new environment is evidence of change ... not evolution.
Oh look, it's cold.
Let me put on a jacket.
I've changed my form, and my outside appearance.
Evolution!
See how foolish you are? You don't even understand the very science you proclaim to support.
so dude, still waiting for those "more interesting' theories to replace evolution...

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