Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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#74443 Feb 7, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I say this because God encoded DNA for all intelligent life in his lab, the planets in the universe, where elements were also created. He's not only a Scientist but also a Mathematician, Artist, Architect, and all that.
You are right, atheistic evolution hinders the progress of real science because life could not have started by natural processes on its own. They believe in MUTATION. I believe in PERMUTATION.
I also think there is intelligent life in other planets or galaxies.
Ah, I see. Well, that is more honest a position than most atheists hold here.

Once people realize the model is a fraud, then we can move on to other interesting ideas.

But currently, the scientific community is very much afraid of change, and is holding science back.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#74444 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Um, REAL SCIENCE. Like space travel, food production, solving serious social problems, sociology, political science, technology, colonization of other worlds, terraforming ... etc.
Why are you so obsessed with how we got here? Quit wasting time and ENJOY LIFE AND MOVE ON.
Evolution has become a sick, almost religious obsession with the past, and the rejection that many things will always be a mystery.
I'm ok with mysterious, because there is a great deal more important things for scientists to be interested in. There is the future.
Quit dwelling on the past.
Once again you are showing that you have a total lack of knowledge about science and the scientific method.

Science is doing what it always does...and you have no clue.

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#74445 Feb 7, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> So, Mr. Know all, give me the translation of the words into?
I meant into English.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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#74446 Feb 7, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I sort of half watched a horizon program about 6 months ago and it was suggested that true life from non living chemical ingredients is predicted within 10 to 12 years. Unfortunately I canít remember the name of the program so I need to wait for the repeat.
Artificial, self replicating life has been created in the laboratory
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/7745868/Sc...
I also heard similar artificial molecules have been seen to evolve
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16382-a...
And neither support the evolutionary model.

One, by designing life, you show that life may have been designed to begin with, and denounce evolution. The designing of new life by artificial means can NEVER been used to support evolution, by simple logical deduction.

And in the second case, you are using evolution in place of natural changes, or breeding. CHANGE is the word, not evolution. By this misuse of the word, you can claim ANYTHING is evolving, as indeed it is as STRICTLY defined. Society evolves, people evolves, the president's position on gay marriages evolves, etc, etc, etc.

So, which is it? Do you not see you own error?(And if so, will you admit it here?) Or are you deliberately lying to maintain your world view?

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St. Croix valley

#74447 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Ah, I see. Well, that is more honest a position than most atheists hold here.
Once people realize the model is a fraud, then we can move on to other interesting ideas.
But currently, the scientific community is very much afraid of change, and is holding science back.
what more interesting ideas would those be?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#74448 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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There IS NO EVIDENCE. Therefore, nothing to dispute. The scientific community for well over a century has failed to sustain it with evidence they THOUGHT would present itself in the near future. Even Darwin admitted this, and knew that evolution was BS unless more evidence was found.
It hasn't been found. Zero evidence.
Enough is enough. How long are you going to waste our time pushing flat-earth theories? You might as well pretend the static state theory is still valid, too. Scientists also clung to that with bitterness despite all the evidence, because the big Bang sounded too religion for their taste.
Religious prejudices, maybe that is why you still cling to the past?
OK, bullshit it is then. Thanks for the clarification.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#74449 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Ah, I see. Well, that is more honest a position than most atheists hold here.
Once people realize the model is a fraud, then we can move on to other interesting ideas.
But currently, the scientific community is very much afraid of change, and is holding science back.
This particular forum is about evolution vs creation. We already know where you stand on evolution....where do you stand on creationism??

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#74450 Feb 7, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> So, Mr. Know all, give me the translation of the words into?
The Greek letters alpha and omega are just that. Letters. They are not words to be translated.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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#74451 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yet there is not one teensy bit of evidnece of ANY supernatural processes...ever. not one. not even Bullwinkle pulling a rabbit out of his hat...
so with the lack of any supernatural events, that pretty much only leaves natural events doesn't it?
when you exclude the impossible, the remaining options, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
Right.

So who did something come out of nothing?

Where did the universe?

What are you defining as "supernatural." Strictly speaking, it means that which nature cannot explain naturally, o appears beyond nature, which leaves much of the whole universe and its working in the realm of the supernatural. The Big Bang has yet to be explained, and how time and space exploded into existence.

It would appear you are holding back on us, and must have a VAST storehouse of knowledge to be so arrogant ... or such a fool.

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#74452 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>No need to fight or disprove something that has zero evidence to even begin a discussion about it...it would be like disproving the Easter bunny, not worthy of serious discussion until some evidence of its existence is shown.
And you are going to end up like others, while the existence of God, continues.

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St. Croix valley

#74453 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Ever hear of Galileo?
Mmmm?
No, it is not so easy for the scientific rebels to challenge a community that believes in "well established facts" and has no interests in hearing alternative theories.
While the burden of proof must always remain with the challenger to the status quo, it is cheating to not even let a challenger come forth, and scoffing, laughing, and cutting funding before it even began.
It's a human problem. Humans can be really stupid, even as scientists.
the scientific community always lets challengers come forth, but to change a well established theory, one needs some serious proof.

look at the sestablished clovis man theory. Evidence seems to be building against it but as yet, no-one has been able to definitively prove it is wrong. tons oand tons of work being done on trying to find that evidence and those people are not scoffed at or ridiculed, but their findings are severely reviewed.

this is how science works. evidence and review.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#74454 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Ever hear of Galileo?
Mmmm?
Good point! I had forgotten that house arrest is commonly given to dissenting scientists even to this day.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
No, it is not so easy for the scientific rebels to challenge a community that believes in "well established facts" and has no interests in hearing alternative theories.
No one said it would be easy.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
While the burden of proof must always remain with the challenger to the status quo, it is cheating to not even let a challenger come forth, and scoffing, laughing, and cutting funding before it even began.
Now you're just whining.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
It's a human problem. Humans can be really stupid, even as scientists.
Agreed.

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St. Croix valley

#74455 Feb 7, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And you are going to end up like others, while the existence of God, continues.
You mean I will die and my existence will end like ALL others...yes.

no god, gods or goddesses have ever been shown to ever have existed, regardless of what your cult tells you to parrot.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#74456 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Um, REAL SCIENCE. Like space travel, food production, solving serious social problems, sociology, political science, technology, colonization of other worlds, terraforming ... etc.
Why are you so obsessed with how we got here? Quit wasting time and ENJOY LIFE AND MOVE ON.
Right you are. You *are* a waste of time.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Evolution has become a sick, almost religious obsession with the past, and the rejection that many things will always be a mystery.
I'm ok with mysterious, because there is a great deal more important things for scientists to be interested in. There is the future.
Quit dwelling on the past.
Moving on, troll...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74457 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Right.
So who did something come out of nothing?
Where did the universe?
What are you defining as "supernatural." Strictly speaking, it means that which nature cannot explain naturally, o appears beyond nature, which leaves much of the whole universe and its working in the realm of the supernatural. The Big Bang has yet to be explained, and how time and space exploded into existence.
It would appear you are holding back on us, and must have a VAST storehouse of knowledge to be so arrogant ... or such a fool.
the fact that you use the term "something out of nothing" shows you don't have even the slightest idea of the hteory you think you can debunk.

try to learn the basics of the theory first, lest you continue to look so foolish.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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#74458 Feb 7, 2013
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
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No need the hero has been already here just are just 3 examples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphanobrassica
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v403/n67...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_maggot
Please research before you assert! If you wonít be this go away.
I make not assertion. The assertions posed by your articles do not hold up.

Environmental genetics: Rapid chromosomal evolution in island mice.

Island mice? Not enough evidence. You have to find it a far more species than just a few different species. This is evidence that the change is a a part of their nature, NOT evidence for evolution.

Raphanobrassica: evidence of design. Something created by us can never be used to explain evolution ... unless you propose that evolution was sparked by aliens or gods. In which case, it's not really evolution at all.

"Rhagoletis pomonella is significant evolutionarily in that the race of this species that feeds on apples spontaneously emerged from the hawthorn feeding race in the 1800 - 1850 CE time frame after apples were introduced into North America. The apple feeding race does not now normally feed on hawthorns and the hawthorn feeding race does not now normally feed on apples. This constitutes a POSSIBLE example of an early step towards the emergence of a new species, a case of sympatric speciation.[2]"

POSSIBLE!!!!

We have has POSSIBLE examples for 150 years. The possibilities are endless. But we want facts. Got any?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74459 Feb 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Good point! I had forgotten that house arrest is commonly given to dissenting scientists even to this day.
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No one said it would be easy.
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Now you're just whining.
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Agreed.
if Ricky Santorum and his crowd had their way they would be...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74460 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Right.
So who did something come out of nothing?
Where did the universe?
What are you defining as "supernatural." Strictly speaking, it means that which nature cannot explain naturally, o appears beyond nature, which leaves much of the whole universe and its working in the realm of the supernatural. The Big Bang has yet to be explained, and how time and space exploded into existence.
It would appear you are holding back on us, and must have a VAST storehouse of knowledge to be so arrogant ... or such a fool.
EXploded?!? seriously? that is the numbver one sign to look for that the commenter has not one clue as to what thye are talking about...

your making as ass out yourself, dude.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74461 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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I make not assertion. The assertions posed by your articles do not hold up.
Environmental genetics: Rapid chromosomal evolution in island mice.
Island mice? Not enough evidence. You have to find it a far more species than just a few different species. This is evidence that the change is a a part of their nature, NOT evidence for evolution.
Raphanobrassica: evidence of design. Something created by us can never be used to explain evolution ... unless you propose that evolution was sparked by aliens or gods. In which case, it's not really evolution at all.
"Rhagoletis pomonella is significant evolutionarily in that the race of this species that feeds on apples spontaneously emerged from the hawthorn feeding race in the 1800 - 1850 CE time frame after apples were introduced into North America. The apple feeding race does not now normally feed on hawthorns and the hawthorn feeding race does not now normally feed on apples. This constitutes a POSSIBLE example of an early step towards the emergence of a new species, a case of sympatric speciation.[2]"
POSSIBLE!!!!
We have has POSSIBLE examples for 150 years. The possibilities are endless. But we want facts. Got any?
Actually, the theory of evolution predicted that island inhabitants would evolve faster.

fool.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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#74462 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the basic premise in your first paragraph is faulty, that is why you have come to a faulty conclusion. thereis, in fact, evidence to support it, as has been shown to you.
i think your previous statement of making this decision of yours without outside evidence, but by your own thoughts says it all...
That evolution has no evidence? How is that faulty?

There is none.

Just as there is no evidence for static state theory, despite it enduring for decades without any evidence to begin with. Conjecture, hypothesis, ideas, those are good enough for hold on to a theory for a time. But not forever.

There is no faulty logic. I merely RAISE THE BAR. It's time now to turn up the heat, and tell the scientific community to make the case for evolution, to stop preaching it as the gospel. They've had MORE than enough time.

Go away, flat-earther. We are done with fanatics and zealots of the faith.

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