Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216634 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74457 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Right.
So who did something come out of nothing?
Where did the universe?
What are you defining as "supernatural." Strictly speaking, it means that which nature cannot explain naturally, o appears beyond nature, which leaves much of the whole universe and its working in the realm of the supernatural. The Big Bang has yet to be explained, and how time and space exploded into existence.
It would appear you are holding back on us, and must have a VAST storehouse of knowledge to be so arrogant ... or such a fool.
the fact that you use the term "something out of nothing" shows you don't have even the slightest idea of the hteory you think you can debunk.

try to learn the basics of the theory first, lest you continue to look so foolish.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74458 Feb 7, 2013
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
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No need the hero has been already here just are just 3 examples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphanobrassica
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v403/n67...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_maggot
Please research before you assert! If you won’t be this go away.
I make not assertion. The assertions posed by your articles do not hold up.

Environmental genetics: Rapid chromosomal evolution in island mice.

Island mice? Not enough evidence. You have to find it a far more species than just a few different species. This is evidence that the change is a a part of their nature, NOT evidence for evolution.

Raphanobrassica: evidence of design. Something created by us can never be used to explain evolution ... unless you propose that evolution was sparked by aliens or gods. In which case, it's not really evolution at all.

"Rhagoletis pomonella is significant evolutionarily in that the race of this species that feeds on apples spontaneously emerged from the hawthorn feeding race in the 1800 - 1850 CE time frame after apples were introduced into North America. The apple feeding race does not now normally feed on hawthorns and the hawthorn feeding race does not now normally feed on apples. This constitutes a POSSIBLE example of an early step towards the emergence of a new species, a case of sympatric speciation.[2]"

POSSIBLE!!!!

We have has POSSIBLE examples for 150 years. The possibilities are endless. But we want facts. Got any?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74459 Feb 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Good point! I had forgotten that house arrest is commonly given to dissenting scientists even to this day.
<quoted text>
No one said it would be easy.
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Now you're just whining.
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Agreed.
if Ricky Santorum and his crowd had their way they would be...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74460 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Right.
So who did something come out of nothing?
Where did the universe?
What are you defining as "supernatural." Strictly speaking, it means that which nature cannot explain naturally, o appears beyond nature, which leaves much of the whole universe and its working in the realm of the supernatural. The Big Bang has yet to be explained, and how time and space exploded into existence.
It would appear you are holding back on us, and must have a VAST storehouse of knowledge to be so arrogant ... or such a fool.
EXploded?!? seriously? that is the numbver one sign to look for that the commenter has not one clue as to what thye are talking about...

your making as ass out yourself, dude.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74461 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
I make not assertion. The assertions posed by your articles do not hold up.
Environmental genetics: Rapid chromosomal evolution in island mice.
Island mice? Not enough evidence. You have to find it a far more species than just a few different species. This is evidence that the change is a a part of their nature, NOT evidence for evolution.
Raphanobrassica: evidence of design. Something created by us can never be used to explain evolution ... unless you propose that evolution was sparked by aliens or gods. In which case, it's not really evolution at all.
"Rhagoletis pomonella is significant evolutionarily in that the race of this species that feeds on apples spontaneously emerged from the hawthorn feeding race in the 1800 - 1850 CE time frame after apples were introduced into North America. The apple feeding race does not now normally feed on hawthorns and the hawthorn feeding race does not now normally feed on apples. This constitutes a POSSIBLE example of an early step towards the emergence of a new species, a case of sympatric speciation.[2]"
POSSIBLE!!!!
We have has POSSIBLE examples for 150 years. The possibilities are endless. But we want facts. Got any?
Actually, the theory of evolution predicted that island inhabitants would evolve faster.

fool.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74462 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the basic premise in your first paragraph is faulty, that is why you have come to a faulty conclusion. thereis, in fact, evidence to support it, as has been shown to you.
i think your previous statement of making this decision of yours without outside evidence, but by your own thoughts says it all...
That evolution has no evidence? How is that faulty?

There is none.

Just as there is no evidence for static state theory, despite it enduring for decades without any evidence to begin with. Conjecture, hypothesis, ideas, those are good enough for hold on to a theory for a time. But not forever.

There is no faulty logic. I merely RAISE THE BAR. It's time now to turn up the heat, and tell the scientific community to make the case for evolution, to stop preaching it as the gospel. They've had MORE than enough time.

Go away, flat-earther. We are done with fanatics and zealots of the faith.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74463 Feb 7, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Ok.
You're a POE.
Sorry, I don't know what POE stands for.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#74464 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Please elaborate. you would be the very first in the world to have such evidence...
You seem to confuse evidence with facts.

ev·i·dence\ˈe-və-dən(t)s, -və-ˌden(t)s\
noun
1 a : an outward sign : indication

proof\ˈprüf\
noun
1 a : the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#74465 Feb 7, 2013
lisawow wrote:
<quoted text>why are you a man pretending to be a womann....the question is not answered????
I remember writing a song. but it's a metaphor.

The Man I Am

When the evil does no any good
Find the love that you once understood
let your freedom take you to the Path
There is love, there is hate, but no time to wait

We willl fly like there’s no tomorrow
Make it higher than anyone can stand
When you see that I can take it like a man
Be the man, be the man I am

When in times of trouble, learn to fight
Carry on, and everything will be right
It’s no use to cry now even children try
We just live and die but don’t say goodbye

We willl fly like there’s no tomorrow
Make it higher than anyone can stand
When you see that I can take it like a man
Be the man, be the man I am

I can move the strongest mountain
I say prayers that can bear it all
When you see that I can take it like a man
Be the man, be the man

We willl fly like there’s no tomorrow
Make it higher than anyone can stand
When you see that I can take it like a man
Be the man, be the man I am

Be the man, be the man
Be the man, be the man
Be the man I am…

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Level 1

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74466 Feb 7, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Once again you are showing that you have a total lack of knowledge about science and the scientific method.
Science is doing what it always does...and you have no clue.
Um, science is not alive with a will of it's own.

I hate to break it to you, but your mythology is just that ... a myth.

People are doing what they always do, however, if that is what you meant.

And screwing things up, including science. That is inevitable.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#74467 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>if Ricky Santorum and his crowd had their way they would be...
Santorum. The dude who couldn't even carry his home state in the primaries.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74468 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>what more interesting ideas would those be?
Care to buy an imagination?

Really? You can't think of anymore MORE interesting about our vast universe and our amazing knowledge than ... evolution.

You just made the case for the lack of evolution with you own personal self.

“That's just MY opinion...”

Since: Jan 07

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#74469 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
It's not enough.
200,000 years humans have been around.
Not a single deviation from the norm.
The same holds true for every other species, millions of years, no changes.
The DNA is astoundingly rigid and unyielding. Darwin didn't count on that, the model assumed that nature WANTED changes to continue to develop and become better.
It has not proven true. There is not the tinest fraction of mutations necessary to even begin a transition.
The model fails.
Breeders have been able to produce a wide range of breeds among animals they've worked with. The variations they have to work with are the same as those for natural selection. There goes your claim.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#74470 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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LOL!!!
Why have you brought religion into this?
There is no evidence for evolution. Not one bit. The theories do not hold. The mutations do not occur. The fossil record does not confirm. Science itself dictates the evolutionary model has no standing. It is a REASONABLE theory, but after 150 years of still filling in countless, and infinite gaps, the evidence just isn't there. Modern biology no longer can be used to support it, life is far more complex than ever Darwin could have guessed at.
And it was Christians that advanced the theory of evolution more than anyone else in its humble beginnings. There was never a motive for Christians to denounce it, as it does not in any way conflict with theology. There is no motive or conspiracy against evolution, and never was.
And it is NOT modern knowledge. It is archaic, outdated, and outmoded in light of todays science. No other pursuit has done more damage to the scientific community than the continued pursuit of a bad dream that is evolution.
You are the flat-earther. But it takes people waking up, and removing the bias of such phrases of "well established facts" which is nothing more than an intellectual disgusting way of saying something is true without any evidence.
Go to your local library and check out Jerry Coyne's book "Why Evolution is True" read it, and then get back to us.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74471 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the scientific community always lets challengers come forth, but to change a well established theory, one needs some serious proof.
look at the sestablished clovis man theory. Evidence seems to be building against it but as yet, no-one has been able to definitively prove it is wrong. tons oand tons of work being done on trying to find that evidence and those people are not scoffed at or ridiculed, but their findings are severely reviewed.
this is how science works. evidence and review.
Not so.

Manmade climate change and evolution are maintained as absolute, and anyone that challenges them in any university, anywhere in the Western world not given a chance to challenge either.

That is well attested and confirmed.

The experience of Galileo was not an isolated incident. It is a human problem, we fear change, and the scientific community is not immune from human nature.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74472 Feb 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Santorum. The dude who couldn't even carry his home state in the primaries.
the man who openly stated he wants to turn the US into a theocracy....and he was the number 2 guy for the GOP...

i fear for my country...

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#74473 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the scientific community always lets challengers come forth, but to change a well established theory, one needs some serious proof.

look at the sestablished clovis man theory. Evidence seems to be building against it but as yet, no-one has been able to definitively prove it is wrong. tons oand tons of work being done on trying to find that evidence and those people are not scoffed at or ridiculed, but their findings are severely reviewed.

this is how science works. evidence and review.
Science is so broken that its still calling three theories, theories when they been proven (yes proven) to fail. And that's not including the evolution myth.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74474 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Care to buy an imagination?
Really? You can't think of anymore MORE interesting about our vast universe and our amazing knowledge than ... evolution.
You just made the case for the lack of evolution with you own personal self.
Ummm. dude, you are mixing at least three different fields of science together.
fields that have very disparate and far flung ranges of study.

you really have absolutely no idea what you are toalking about. Please stop. it hurts to watch people make such fools of themselves.

( on the upside, me posting your comments on my daughters site might in fact help get increased funding for STEM studies in this country....)

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Level 1

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74475 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the fact that you use the term "something out of nothing" shows you don't have even the slightest idea of the hteory you think you can debunk.
try to learn the basics of the theory first, lest you continue to look so foolish.
Not at all.

Either the universe always existed, or it emerged from somewhere.

All scientific evidence points to an expansion of the universe with no chance of it coming back together. So that pretty much crushes the the static state theory, that's why it was rejected, and replaced with the Big Bang theory.

I simplify for the simple minds, such as yourself.

Rest assured, woody, I know more about science than you will ever know, in many different fields, and history as well. I have a vast storehouse of information. Do you?

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#74476 Feb 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>You mean I will die and my existence will end like ALL others...yes.

no god, gods or goddesses have ever been shown to ever have existed, regardless of what your cult tells you to parrot.
Yes you most certainty will die.

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