Evolution vs. Creation

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#74265 Feb 6, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>That actually may be true, although not as you might have meant.
"Alpha" and "omega" are still Greek, you halfwit.
What are you implying, you bone head!
Are you trying to say, the Greeks don't believe in God?
God is the beginning( alpha) and the end( omega). Period.

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#74266 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Sure he can. humans have created literally thousands of them just look at your calendar for a short list....
are you a blasphemer for using the gregorian calendar?
Are you kidding?
I can create an image and call it god.
I can call any visible objects or things god, but that does not change who the almighty or the living God is.

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#74267 Feb 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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What evidence? You all keep saying there's evidence yet none has been presented. Until you do, claiming there's evidence is a lie.
Example: kittenkoder is the kind of atheist that obviously sees no god, so since one cannot proof a negative, it must be up to theists to proof the existence.
But for some reason they do not get that. Not when it is pointed out, nor when asked.
And worse, it continues in ever other avenue of discourse.

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#74268 Feb 6, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Curious. Usually to get that 100% is hard realtime work.
No one is refuting real science here.

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#74269 Feb 6, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Because everything has a beginning and an end. The very idea of an eternal being is silly.
And what brought about that beginning and end?

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#74270 Feb 6, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Example: kittenkoder is the kind of atheist that obviously sees no god, so since one cannot proof a negative, it must be up to theists to proof the existence.
But for some reason they do not get that. Not when it is pointed out, nor when asked.
And worse, it continues in ever other avenue of discourse.
kittenkoder is in denial for the longest time now.

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#74272 Feb 6, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Gods are created all the time. The idea of an eternal being however is just plain silly. Nothing is forever.
You mean mortal gods!
Mortal, image or simply man made gods can be created, but the living can never be creator, he created all existence instead.

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#74273 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> To your last statement, i will say faith can be applied in that capacity. We Christians believed that God almighty exist, because the evidence are all around us.
And when we ask how so, you state: look out of the window.
Mayhap there is a wall.
What they seem to mean is far reaching vistas of nature and culture: god.
That is not proof. But an opinion/definition.
And a conscious decision to make this particular choice.

The greatest philosopher of the church the Scot Scotus
(simple logic, like alpha and omega)
formulated the trinity as follows:" The esse of the esse is the esse for it is the essence!
(Who says church-history and theology can't be fun.)
Everbody was highly impressed.
You can look him up on wiki. And he wrote in latin so you can also read to check what i said.(or do presume too much. Christians aren't what they used to be)

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#74274 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Viruses do not evolve.
So what are you trying to prove?
That all species are not constantly evolving?
I agree.
But I never heard anyone say that.
I have only heard people say that a population evolves when a stress compels that population to either evolve or go extinct.

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#74275 Feb 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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kittenkoder is in denial for the longest time now.
She is in a way, but you are twisting the example here.
We all the time want answers. Supposing intellectual honesty.
It's not there, in non of the fundies. Argumentation by sheer pigheadedness...it does not even involve an idea, brain or rationale.
With you (or xxxooxxx) i thought i had come upon the atheism that defined theism as a cloud of probabilities.
Be it in joking fashion.
But that's where you would get atheism and the big bang i suppose.

So what would KittenKoder be denying? She's around, so let's have it...;P

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#74276 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
if truly the bible and Christianity is false, both would have died out of existence, but the reverse were/ are the case. Instead both of them have passed many criticisms to date.
According to your syllogism, the other major religions of the world must be true too, then.
Are they?

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#74277 Feb 6, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
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So what are you trying to prove?
That all species are not constantly evolving?
I agree.
But I never heard anyone say that.
I have only heard people say that a population evolves when a stress compels that population to either evolve or go extinct.
Please explain Markov's matrix for DNA evolution then. lol

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#74278 Feb 6, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Not with my faith there is just God.
God bless!

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#74279 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Eventually it will fall into the trash heap along with Eugenics and other defunct theories.
Creationists and fundamentalists have been trying to bury and have been telling us that evolution will go down for over 150 years now.

Last time I looked every scientific organization on EARTH still supports it, and it is ONLY religionists who don't.

I wonder why that is??

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#74280 Feb 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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No one is refuting real science here.
Yeah that's true...
Shubee is a contender from time to time.
And i had a discussion with one researcher that was too optimistic with blast, and i was too polite to tell him.(20% without anyting else going for it is trash...your blast should show 80% to at least have a blind go....)

But nevertheless, puny para-science:

xxxooxxx wrote:
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If a theory was 100% certain, then it would be a fact and not a theory.
Terryl: How hard do you have to work to maintain that level of ignorace? Consantly shutting out reality must take a lot of effort

Well to me, Cybele, that reads as if your statement is in doubt.

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#74281 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> God bless!
I'll be darned, god blessing a lyer through the mouth of a nay-sayer.
WITCH!

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#74282 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Then all the other relid=gions would also have fdied out as they cannot all be true...Hmm....
you just disproved your own theorum...
face it..your religious cult was proved to be a lie a long time ago. quit trying to make it real form proven lies....
Yes we have thousands of other religions, but Christianity stands out. Thanks to archaeology.

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#74283 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
It makes no logical sense when so few mutations occur, and so few of the mutations result in positive natural selection.
I agree.
On the surface, it seems logical.
If you add a smaller positive integer and a larger negative integer, you get a negative integer.
But it doesn't work that way.

If you run for office and your opponent gets more votes than you do, you lose the election.
But it doesn't work that way.

Rather, this is how it works:
favorable mutations are inherited, unfavorable mutations are not.
An unfavorable mutation could hurt a member's chances of surviving until child-bearing age.
An unfavorable mutation could also render a member unattractive, thereby hurting his or her chances of finding mates.
A favorable mutation, on the other hand, helps a member and helps that member's descendents.

A better analogy could be found in the arts and the media.
We forget everything which is unpopular and remember only that which is popular.
What songs did Petulah Clark sing besides "Downtown"?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.
What did Kyu Sakamoto sing besides "Sukiyaki"?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.
What operas did Englebert Humperdinck compose besides "Hansel and Gretel"?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.

Back to the topic:
What harmful mutations have taken place?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.

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#74284 Feb 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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What evidence? You all keep saying there's evidence yet none has been presented. Until you do, claiming there's evidence is a lie.
Likewise.
Tell me how the universe came into form?
Tell me why despite our level of intelligence in the Arts, Social Sciences and Sciences we still end up dying?
Why?

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#74285 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>I like how you begin with an ad hominem, and set the stage with hostility.

Viruses do not evolve. They just taught that class to my son in high school. Viruses are a whole study onto themselves that don't fit at all into the evolutionary model, as they cannot even agree whether a virus is alive or not.

In fact, biology is so complex now than it use to be, the very definition of life is up for grabs.

You have no clue what you are talking about, and that is from my 15-year old that just had a class on this very subject.

I'd laugh, if this level of gross unscientific misinformation was not such a total and complete danger to society in general.

And since evolution has NEVER been proven, there is no need. Eventually it will fall into the trash heap along with Eugenics and other defunct theories.
Nice post!

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