Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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<quoted text>Your description of what a scientific theory is is not correct. one needs corroborating evidence to make a theory. a scientific theory must predict future observations and those must be upheld or the thoery must be altered or thrown out.
why would you try to debunk the scientific method when you don't even understan what it si our how it works?
You just described yet another reason why evolution fails the scientific method.

No predictions can be made.

And yet even Darwin said that his ideas must be thrown out if more evidence is not found.

Still waiting on the evidence.

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<quoted text>Quite.

I love folks who start off with "there is no factual evidence of evolution". Of course there is. Now you may dispute the interpretation of it but to say it doesn't exist is pure bullshit.
Do spend much time in excrement?

Just asking you seem to be an expert in pure bullshit.

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Not with my faith there is just God.
my sentiments exactly...just faith and God...everything else is just the devil in details...lol

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Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Dude.
Once again, someone is confusing a species already natural state to change for climate with some kind of "evolution."
That is not the evolutionary model, which depends on MUTATIONS.
And since biology proves that mutations are very rare, and positive mutations are still even more rare, it is science, not I, that refutes your claim.
Where is that research-paper? And what definitions do you use?
See ...4 pages back.
I'm not the only one that thinks your not worth the time, since you simply do not back up your claims.
And since they all come down to the same issue, what can be easier than showing the study and explain how you use the terms!?

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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>that also, is not factually correct. nice try. again, which parts of it are incorrect?

difficult to force? seriously dude?!?!? we are making new species of plants every year! we have manipulated animals so they glow in the freakin' dark?

you are so far over your idiotic head that you can't even fathom (pun intended..) the depths ( again) of your ignorance.
Yet Science admits that no Marco evolution has ever been observed in or out of the lab.

Micro evolution you can hang your hat on. No big deal, nothing worth crowing about. But go ahead if you must.

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<quoted text>Which is why 99.99% of working professionals in relevant fields of life sciences (biologists, etc) accept AND EMPLOY the Theory of Evolution.
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Quite the opposite actually, life is constantly changing and evolving all the time. This is way we have so many species and so many different races on this planet.
Evolution makes perfect logical since and its supported by the fossil record. If even one fossil was ever to be found out of order then yes evolution would be disproven but that has never and will never happen ..
So tell me because im Curious, What do you think created life as we know it today??
Only true over a very long period of time, if you can find evidence of mutations.

Not true since humans have been around, which is a very short period of time.

It makes no logical sense when so few mutations occur, and so few of the mutations result in positive natural selection.

The fossil record proves nothing, it is just data to be interpreted like all other data.

As a scientist, I can offer no explanation of the origin of life. No one can if they are honest about the data. At this point, aliens creating us is more likely now than evolution.

As a Christian, God of course.

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Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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You just described yet another reason why evolution fails the scientific method.
No predictions can be made.
And yet even Darwin said that his ideas must be thrown out if more evidence is not found.
Still waiting on the evidence.
yes, the predictions were made and they even have happened. the resistant viruses you mentioned yourself..you just can't keep proving youself wrong, can you. Hard not to when the proof of your error is all around you.

where is that evidence of life not changing? huh?

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<quoted text>No, talking about the foundation of your cult...of all religions, which are cults by definition.
By the definition of science...I agree.

And of course, there are religious definition of people that lie out side of religious beliefs...

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What is your source.(Your yapping so loud)
And what are your definitions for:
1)Current measurable changes.
2)mutation
3) mutations that survive to the next generation.
4) a positive change.
4 a) AND
5)enhances natural selection
6)survives natural selection.
7)that has would take not just million but billions of years.
8) what math would be applicable for an event that is current and spans eons?
The evolutionary model is my source.

Check it out for yourself.

I use only their definitions, I have no opinions of my own.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I will continue to ask you this question, if truly the bible and Christianity is false, both would have died out of existence, but the reverse were/ are the case. Instead both of them have passed many criticisms to date.
Then all the other relid=gions would also have fdied out as they cannot all be true...Hmm....

you just disproved your own theorum...

face it..your religious cult was proved to be a lie a long time ago. quit trying to make it real form proven lies....

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I like how you begin with an ad hominem, and set the stage with hostility.
Viruses do not evolve. They just taught that class to my son in high school. Viruses are a whole study onto themselves that don't fit at all into the evolutionary model, as they cannot even agree whether a virus is alive or not.
In fact, biology is so complex now than it use to be, the very definition of life is up for grabs.
You have no clue what you are talking about, and that is from my 15-year old that just had a class on this very subject.
I'd laugh, if this level of gross unscientific misinformation was not such a total and complete danger to society in general.
And since evolution has NEVER been proven, there is no need. Eventually it will fall into the trash heap along with Eugenics and other defunct theories.
I,m a forty year old man with a Bachelor's degree in science but your high school kid knows more... Wow OK, damn i guess i wasted a lot of money then .... Hey like they say, you cant fix stupid.. Good luck to you ..

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By the definition of science...I agree.
And of course, there are religious definition of people that lie out side of religious beliefs...
the fact that your religion is based on a proven lie makes it a cult no matter how you look at it.

sorry, the truth hurts, but you were probably sucked into the cult as a child like most were. but here you have a choice...you know it is based on a lie. why continue pretending to believe this lie?

movie time..have fun with your cult!!!

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I like how you begin with an ad hominem, and set the stage with hostility.
Viruses do not evolve. They just taught that class to my son in high school. Viruses are a whole study onto themselves that don't fit at all into the evolutionary model, as they cannot even agree whether a virus is alive or not.
In fact, biology is so complex now than it use to be, the very definition of life is up for grabs.
You have no clue what you are talking about, and that is from my 15-year old that just had a class on this very subject.
I'd laugh, if this level of gross unscientific misinformation was not such a total and complete danger to society in general.
And since evolution has NEVER been proven, there is no need. Eventually it will fall into the trash heap along with Eugenics and other defunct theories.
Yankee, your language demonstrates that you know very little of science and are in no position to judge evolution.

Let me help you. "Proof" is a mathematical term. You do not prove things in science. Hypotheses are developed into theories by testing, if theories fail the tests they are no longer theories. Evolution has been continually tested for over 150 years and it has passed every test. It is a well accepted scientific theory and a well accepted scientific theory is higher than a law in scientific hierarchy. That is because a law is just an observation of an event that always happens where a theory is the observation with an explanation. An observation that life evolves without an explanation would be a Law of Evolution. The Theory of Evolution tops that.

Next you are flat out wrong about viruses not evolving. Just because they are not the same sort of life as cellular life does not mean they cannot evolve. In fact by the most strict definition of evolution they do evolve.

Don't get your facts from lying creationist sites. It only makes you look like a fool.

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Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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I like how you begin with an ad hominem, and set the stage with hostility.
Viruses do not evolve. They just taught that class to my son in high school. Viruses are a whole study onto themselves that don't fit at all into the evolutionary model, as they cannot even agree whether a virus is alive or not.
In fact, biology is so complex now than it use to be, the very definition of life is up for grabs.
You have no clue what you are talking about, and that is from my 15-year old that just had a class on this very subject.
I'd laugh, if this level of gross unscientific misinformation was not such a total and complete danger to society in general.
And since evolution has NEVER been proven, there is no need. Eventually it will fall into the trash heap along with Eugenics and other defunct theories.
What school does your son go too.
And then he teaches you what the thinks he remembers and then you think you can teach a.o. professors what it is all about.
Now understand why yo can't define anything, and why you get it all wrong.

i stopped reading. Virusses do mutate. And here we go what is mutation after but ....evolution.And surviving and be enhanced in a hostile environment.
You are unfit to be a parent...it seems the interpretation to what he learned came straight out of the creationist agenda.

When a virus evolves it becomes a blue parrot with an umbrella.
If not...it is not evolution.
Don't let those pseudo-scientists tell you otherwise!
Amen.

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Aerobatty wrote:
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Ok.
Msn, wikipedia and yahoo.
And yes-you ARE clueless.
Irony.

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Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Only true over a very long period of time, if you can find evidence of mutations.
Not true since humans have been around, which is a very short period of time.
It makes no logical sense when so few mutations occur, and so few of the mutations result in positive natural selection.
The fossil record proves nothing, it is just data to be interpreted like all other data.
As a scientist, I can offer no explanation of the origin of life. No one can if they are honest about the data. At this point, aliens creating us is more likely now than evolution.
As a Christian, God of course.
As a christian your bias and there for can not be objective of the facts, so calling your self a scientist is a joke ...

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Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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The evolutionary model is my source.
Check it out for yourself.
I use only their definitions, I have no opinions of my own.
You probably do not understand the evolutionary model.

Here is a fact for you, and if you are honest I will convince you that it is true: Their is literally a mountain of scientific evidence that supports the theory of evolution, and none that supports creationism.

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The level of support for creationism among relevant scientists is minimal. Only 700 out of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists gave credence to creationism in 1987,[27] representing about 0.146% of relevant scientists. In 2007 the Discovery Institute reported that about 600 scientists signed their A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism list, up from 100 in 2001.[151]

The actual statement of the Scientific Dissent from Darwinism is a relatively mild one that expresses skepticism about the absoluteness of 'Darwinism'(and is in line with the falsifiability required of scientific theories) to explain all features of life, and does not in any way represent an absolute denial or rejection of evolution.[152]

By contrast, a tongue-in-cheek response known as Project Steve, a list of scientists named Steve who agree that evolution is "a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences," has 1229 Steves as of September 24, 2012. People named Steve make up approximately 1% of the total U.S. population.

The United States National Science Foundation statistics on US yearly science graduates demonstrate that from 1987 to 2001, the number of biological science graduates increased by 59% while the number of geological science graduates decreased by 20.5%.

However, the number of geology graduates in 2001 was only 5.4% of the number of graduates in the biological sciences, while it was 10.7% of the number of biological science graduates in 1987.[153] The Science Resources Statistics Division of the National Science Foundation estimated that in 1999, there were 955,300 biological scientists in the US (about 1/3 of who hold graduate degrees). There were also 152,800 earth scientists in the US as well.[154]

Therefore, the 600 Darwin Dissenters signing the A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism represent about 0.054% of the estimated 1,108,100 biological and geological scientists in the US in 1999. In addition, a large fraction of the Darwin Dissenters have specialties unrelated to research on evolution; of the dissenters, three-quarters are not biologists.[155] Therefore, the roughly 150 biologist Darwin Dissenters represent about 0.0157% of the US biologists that existed in 1999.

As of 2006, the list was expanded to include non-US scientists, overestimating the number of US scientists that do not accept evolution according to the Discovery Institute,[156] a known creationist lobby institution. Despite the increase in absolute number of scientists willing to sign the dissent form, and an increase in public support, proportionately the figures indicates the support from scientists for creationism and intelligent design is steadily decreasing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support...

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ChristineM wrote:
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Say what? What have you been smoking?
Definitions
Alpha
Noun
The first letter of the Greek alphabet, transliterated as a..
Omega
Noun
The twenty-fourth, and last, letter of the Greek alphabet, transliterated as o
English translation Alpha, the first letter of the Greek alphabet. Omega, the last letter of the Greek alphabet
The dictionary PROVES you wrong
You hypocritical moron
Or put another way
eta beta pi
You are the one smoking, you bloody liar.
Alpha stands for beginning( first Greek letter) and Omega stands for end( last letter of the Greeks).
These are also the attributes of God, first and last, Moron.

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