Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216897 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#74274 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Viruses do not evolve.
So what are you trying to prove?
That all species are not constantly evolving?
I agree.
But I never heard anyone say that.
I have only heard people say that a population evolves when a stress compels that population to either evolve or go extinct.

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#74275 Feb 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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kittenkoder is in denial for the longest time now.
She is in a way, but you are twisting the example here.
We all the time want answers. Supposing intellectual honesty.
It's not there, in non of the fundies. Argumentation by sheer pigheadedness...it does not even involve an idea, brain or rationale.
With you (or xxxooxxx) i thought i had come upon the atheism that defined theism as a cloud of probabilities.
Be it in joking fashion.
But that's where you would get atheism and the big bang i suppose.

So what would KittenKoder be denying? She's around, so let's have it...;P

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#74276 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
if truly the bible and Christianity is false, both would have died out of existence, but the reverse were/ are the case. Instead both of them have passed many criticisms to date.
According to your syllogism, the other major religions of the world must be true too, then.
Are they?

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#74277 Feb 6, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
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So what are you trying to prove?
That all species are not constantly evolving?
I agree.
But I never heard anyone say that.
I have only heard people say that a population evolves when a stress compels that population to either evolve or go extinct.
Please explain Markov's matrix for DNA evolution then. lol

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#74278 Feb 6, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Not with my faith there is just God.
God bless!

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#74279 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Eventually it will fall into the trash heap along with Eugenics and other defunct theories.
Creationists and fundamentalists have been trying to bury and have been telling us that evolution will go down for over 150 years now.

Last time I looked every scientific organization on EARTH still supports it, and it is ONLY religionists who don't.

I wonder why that is??

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#74280 Feb 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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No one is refuting real science here.
Yeah that's true...
Shubee is a contender from time to time.
And i had a discussion with one researcher that was too optimistic with blast, and i was too polite to tell him.(20% without anyting else going for it is trash...your blast should show 80% to at least have a blind go....)

But nevertheless, puny para-science:

xxxooxxx wrote:
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If a theory was 100% certain, then it would be a fact and not a theory.
Terryl: How hard do you have to work to maintain that level of ignorace? Consantly shutting out reality must take a lot of effort

Well to me, Cybele, that reads as if your statement is in doubt.

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#74281 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> God bless!
I'll be darned, god blessing a lyer through the mouth of a nay-sayer.
WITCH!

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#74282 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Then all the other relid=gions would also have fdied out as they cannot all be true...Hmm....
you just disproved your own theorum...
face it..your religious cult was proved to be a lie a long time ago. quit trying to make it real form proven lies....
Yes we have thousands of other religions, but Christianity stands out. Thanks to archaeology.

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Taizhou, China

#74283 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
It makes no logical sense when so few mutations occur, and so few of the mutations result in positive natural selection.
I agree.
On the surface, it seems logical.
If you add a smaller positive integer and a larger negative integer, you get a negative integer.
But it doesn't work that way.

If you run for office and your opponent gets more votes than you do, you lose the election.
But it doesn't work that way.

Rather, this is how it works:
favorable mutations are inherited, unfavorable mutations are not.
An unfavorable mutation could hurt a member's chances of surviving until child-bearing age.
An unfavorable mutation could also render a member unattractive, thereby hurting his or her chances of finding mates.
A favorable mutation, on the other hand, helps a member and helps that member's descendents.

A better analogy could be found in the arts and the media.
We forget everything which is unpopular and remember only that which is popular.
What songs did Petulah Clark sing besides "Downtown"?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.
What did Kyu Sakamoto sing besides "Sukiyaki"?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.
What operas did Englebert Humperdinck compose besides "Hansel and Gretel"?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.

Back to the topic:
What harmful mutations have taken place?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.

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#74284 Feb 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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What evidence? You all keep saying there's evidence yet none has been presented. Until you do, claiming there's evidence is a lie.
Likewise.
Tell me how the universe came into form?
Tell me why despite our level of intelligence in the Arts, Social Sciences and Sciences we still end up dying?
Why?

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#74285 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>I like how you begin with an ad hominem, and set the stage with hostility.

Viruses do not evolve. They just taught that class to my son in high school. Viruses are a whole study onto themselves that don't fit at all into the evolutionary model, as they cannot even agree whether a virus is alive or not.

In fact, biology is so complex now than it use to be, the very definition of life is up for grabs.

You have no clue what you are talking about, and that is from my 15-year old that just had a class on this very subject.

I'd laugh, if this level of gross unscientific misinformation was not such a total and complete danger to society in general.

And since evolution has NEVER been proven, there is no need. Eventually it will fall into the trash heap along with Eugenics and other defunct theories.
Nice post!

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#74286 Feb 6, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
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According to your syllogism, the other major religions of the world must be true too, then.
Are they?
Archaeologically speaking, little or NO!

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#74287 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>my sentiments exactly...just faith and God...everything else is just the devil in details...lol
Yup.

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#74288 Feb 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Please explain Markov's matrix for DNA evolution then. lol
That would be like reading genesis. i mean it tells you the past.
But fundies want to see worms turning into pink elephants.
And not visit a casiono with us to explain how evolution might have worked.
The higher the improbability the more they are convinced that evolution exists.
Or so they tell themselves.(As i stated before somewhere...i've given up trying to make sense of their fallacies and logic)

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Everett, WA

#74289 Feb 6, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Nice post!
It is bad form to applaud for idiotic posts.

Do you realize how many points he was totally wrong on?

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#74290 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Archaeologically speaking, little or NO!
Really? What do you know about the archaeological support for Hinduism, Taoism, or Shintoism to name only three of the thousands of religions in the world?

And worse, you do know that archaeologists claim that the Exodus never happened. In other words Archaeologists all the second book of the Bible bullshit.

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#74291 Feb 6, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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That would be like reading genesis. i mean it tells you the past.
But fundies want to see worms turning into pink elephants.
And not visit a casiono with us to explain how evolution might have worked.
The higher the improbability the more they are convinced that evolution exists.
Or so they tell themselves.(As i stated before somewhere...i've given up trying to make sense of their fallacies and logic)
now you're just not making sense

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Albuquerque, NM

#74292 Feb 6, 2013
trekx wrote:
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I,m a forty year old man with a Bachelor's degree in science but your high school kid knows more... Wow OK, damn i guess i wasted a lot of money then .... Hey like they say, you cant fix stupid.. Good luck to you ..
Well, I lot of new science can happen in 25 years.

Indeed, you can't fix stupid. You should have known that people would learn about about science than you, and you should have known that your bachelors degree is not outdated.

You are a relic of the Cold War, old friend.

It's really quite amazing, actually, that you wouldn't expect 15 year olds to learn more than you in high school. There is a lot more information now, and there are computers.

Good grief. Are you serious, dude?

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#74293 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Archaeologically speaking, little or NO!
Showing of your ignorance and arrogance.

Christianity does not even have proof of the socalled jesus ever existing. Not a shred.

Everything they have is of a later date. As proof for the church existing and their story being told.

The Torah and Tanakh are not of your religion.
You claim but you have no entitlement, and your book outright denies their laws which was G-d's law.
But the archeology is of the people and for the people, and they are not your people. And that story is more interesting, for that points to how people actually lived. You can never proof Harry Potter to have actually existed. So nor can one with parabels.

Furthermore you are unaware of the archeological evidence for 10,000 plus other gods and goddesses and nature spirits and believesystems.

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