Evolution vs. Creation

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“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#74177 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Wait a minute...your science buddy just told me they were the very same thing...which is it?
You guys really need to share your index cards more.lol
Read what Trekx just posted on the subject. I'm sure he can use smaller words if need be.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#74179 Feb 6, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Human knowledge has failed again. The Big Bang should be called the Big Mindgame. Its impossible to accept a theory when almost all the info is inadequate.
Depending on which part of the Big Bang you're referring to, it could be a theory or a hypothesis. There is a difference.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#74180 Feb 6, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Which is why 99.99% of working professionals in relevant fields of life sciences (biologists, etc) accept AND EMPLOY the Theory of Evolution.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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No they don't.
Mmmmm....yes. They do.(data to be provided shortly)
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>Now does a majority make something true. Science is not a popularity contest.
WAIT a minute! Didn't you just say "No they don't." when I stated (correctly) that 99.99% of scientists in relevant fields accept and EMPLOY the ToE? Now, you say it's not a 'popularity contest'?

Which is it?
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>Now, quit wasting our time, and stop with the futile logic fallacies.
I suppose you're referring to the fallacy known as 'argumentum ad populum'?

Does not apply in this case, as those being considered in the "contest" (your words) are professionals in the field of biology, and not that of the lay public. Thus your argument is rendered moot (as I will show shortly).
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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I make no speculations, and have no opinion one way or another. I neither support evolution, or Creationism, or design, or anything. One must liberate themselves from all of these preconceived notions to really understand science.
Franky, you are lying.

I've seen your posts on other threads, and your bias is laughingly transparent.

The science is there. We have it. You do not.

This is NOT to say there is no Supreme Deity.

There may be.

But if there is, He/She/It used the toolbox and the timeline described by science, and not that of Genesis to do His bidding

Since: Jun 12

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#74181 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, I've never considered myself an athiest i just have no religious beliefs...but i love theology and its discussion. watching people try to rationalize what has been proven to be a lie is funny as shit...like mice in a maze. but not quite as quick...
we really should run studies on them...
So by your own words, you enter a "scientific" study of religion with preconceived notions and bias, all the while claiming to be totally impartial.

You validate my point nicely.TY
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#74182 Feb 6, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Human knowledge has failed again. The Big Bang should be called the Big Mindgame. Its impossible to accept a theory when almost all the info is inadequate.
What info? About what set the big bang into motion? There is no doubt the big bang creation event happened. That much is scientific fact.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74183 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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So by your own words, you enter a "scientific" study of religion with preconceived notions and bias, all the while claiming to be totally impartial.
You validate my point nicely.TY
Well, since the basies for your myths were proven to be lies long before i was born, i was not able to honestly look at it without that prior knowledge. the same would fgo for you. why do you believe if you know it is based on proven lies?

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#74184 Feb 6, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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I've already told you that Law is often used incorrectly for a theory. Laws are often used to describe a mathematical relationship. But they are not theories.
Back to the 5th grade for you.
The mistakes yours, not mine...pay attention.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#74185 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Of course not.TRUE scientific inquiry explores all possibilities.
?????

Science does not explore religious theology. Faith is a completely different concept.

Scientific inquiry is about things which can be studied rationally.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#74186 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, I've never considered myself an athiest i just have no religious beliefs...but i love theology and its discussion. watching people try to rationalize what has been proven to be a lie is funny as shit...like mice in a maze. but not quite as quick...

we really should run studies on them...
I view atheism as a religious belief. The very idea that they know the absolute truth about what set off the big bang and...

No religious beliefs here. But no reason to make debunking the god hypothesis my goal either. Not sure why the non religious would feel the need to do so.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#74187 Feb 6, 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientif...

The American Association for the Advancement of Science is the world's largest general scientific society. The AAAS serves some 262 affiliated societies and academies of science, serving 10 million individuals.

American Association of University Professors is an organization of professors and other academics in the United States. AAUP membership is about 47,000, with over 500 local campus chapters and 39 state organizations.

American Astronomical Society is an American society of professional astronomers and other interested individuals, with over 7,000 members and six divisions.

American Chemical Society is a scientific society that supports scientific inquiry in the field of chemistry, with more than 164,000 members at all degree-levels and in all fields of chemistry, chemical engineering, and related fields. It is the world's largest scientific society and one of the leading sources of authoritative scientific information.

American Geophysical Union The AGU represents over 43,000 Earth and space scientists. "Advocates of intelligent design believe that life on Earth is too complex to have evolved on its own and must therefore be the work of a designer. That is an untestable belief and, therefore, cannot qualify as a scientific theory."

American Institute of Physics has a Governing Board policy statement supporting evolution and opposing creationism.

American Society of Agronomy The ASA represents over 10,000 members. "Intelligent design is not a scientific discipline and should not be taught as part of the K-12 science curriculum. Intelligent design has neither the substantial research base, nor the testable hypotheses as a scientific discipline. There are at least 70 resolutions from a broad array of scientific societies and institutions that are united on this matter."

American Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology The ASBMB is a scientific and educational society representing 12,000 biochemists and molecular biologists. ""Intelligent design" is not a theory in the scientific sense, nor is it a scientific alternative to the theory of evolution...."intelligent design" might be appropriate to teach in a religion or philosophy class, but the concept has no place in a science classroom and should not be taught there."

<<cont'd>>

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#74188 Feb 6, 2013
<<cont'd>>

Botanical Society of America "The proponents of creationism/intelligent design promote scientific ignorance in the guise of learning. As professional scientists and educators, we strongly assert that such efforts are both misguided and flawed, presenting an incorrect view of science, its understandings, and its processes."

Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology The Federation represents 22 professional societies and 84,000 scientists, and its statement FASEB Opposes Using Science Classes to Teach Intelligent Design, Creationism, and other Non-Scientific Beliefs was adopted by the FASEB Board of Directors.

National Association of Biology Teachers "Scientists have firmly established evolution as an important natural process.... Explanations or ways of knowing that invoke metaphysical, non-naturalistic or supernatural mechanisms, whether called “creation science,”“scientific creationism,”“intelligent design theory,”“young earth theory,” or similar designations, are outside the scope of science and therefore are not part of a valid science curriculum."

The National Center for Science Education itself opposes the teaching of intelligent design, acting as a clearinghouse for information regarding efforts to force creationism (including intelligent design) into the classroom.

The NCSE also maintains lists of organizations from around the world that oppose the teaching of creationism, including intelligent design, listing 71 scientific organizations, 23 religious organizations, 43 educational organizations, and 10 civil liberties organizations.

The National Science Teachers Association NSTA is a professional association of 55,000 science teachers and administrators. "We stand with the nation's leading scientific organizations and scientists, including Dr. John Marburger, the president's top science advisor, in stating that intelligent design is not science.…It is simply not fair to present pseudoscience to students in the science classroom."

United States National Academy of Sciences That academy wrote a statement entitled "Science and Creationism: A View from the National Academy of Sciences, Second Edition National Academy of Sciences" which said that "Creationism, Intelligent Design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life or of species are not science"

<<and much, much more>>
Alien Outlaw

Kansas City, MO

#74189 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly what info is inadequate? please be specific...
Based on present day human understanding, based on theoredical logic. Space beyond the universe must be included in the Big Bang theory, it is not. Its like trying to contact advanced alien beings using human based technology......not working, will never work.

“water water water water water ”

Since: Oct 07

the place with Pyramid Head

#74190 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly what info is inadequate? please be specific...
may i just say that this thread is a bit inadequate although looking at how everyone is arguing over different ideas about the subject it makes me proud to be a Topix memember.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74191 Feb 6, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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I view atheism as a religious belief. The very idea that they know the absolute truth about what set off the big bang and...
No religious beliefs here. But no reason to make debunking the god hypothesis my goal either. Not sure why the non religious would feel the need to do so.
I would say there is no god hypothesis. even a hypothesis needs to start from some grain of truth, doesn't it? How is a known lie worth even talking about?
THE CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK

Omaha, NE

#74192 Feb 6, 2013
PRIME RIB wrote:
<quoted text>may i just say that this thread is a bit inadequate although looking at how everyone is arguing over different ideas about the subject it makes me proud to be a Topix memember.
hey stupid rib remember me??

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74193 Feb 6, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Based on present day human understanding, based on theoredical logic. Space beyond the universe must be included in the Big Bang theory, it is not. Its like trying to contact advanced alien beings using human based technology......not working, will never work.
Space beyond the universe?!? you didn't read the please be specific part, huh?

so yeah, since the big bang theory doesn't explain wormhole travel it can't be true , huh?

go back to scouting area 51 with you binocs, freak...

““You must not lose faith ”

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Since: Jun 11

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#74194 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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One of the biggest fallacy ever propagated by atheists, is that to be a Christian one must know the letter of biblical law, which was directly addressed by the Christ.(Faith)
The rest of the forum is at standstill and here it's on fullspeed...2 pages behind.
I was looking for the reaction by yankee yahoo.

Around 1000 CE thereabouts everybody was even banned from reading it by the church.
And Augustine, said that people did not need to read or even know to read for the real believer would know the content by holy spirit transmission.
And than Paul: just believe and you are saved.
CHEAP...

It's not atheist that have the misconceptions, you could be forgiven for thinking that, but rather all those christians that just stab their fat dirty finger in a book that says BIBLE on the cover, quote at random and out of context and then claim the most stupid prejudice to be true. THE TRUTH as they say usually.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#74195 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Space beyond the universe?!? you didn't read the please be specific part, huh?
so yeah, since the big bang theory doesn't explain wormhole travel it can't be true , huh?
go back to scouting area 51 with you binocs, freak...
Ah no, woodtick, poster has a point.
At least in as far as a whole was discoverred in the CMBR.
I've been curious evercinse.
And since the Higgs and a new finding, everone is busy revising mathematics to do with physics.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#74196 Feb 6, 2013
whole-hole

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74197 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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The mistakes yours, not mine...pay attention.
So we have shown that your "law' doesn't work in all situations. what was your description of a law again?

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