Evolution vs. Creation

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“That's just MY opinion...”

Since: Jan 07

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#74167 Feb 6, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
What is the point in denial? If you wish to say a creator was behind the big bang and guided the evolutionary process...
It is silly to pretend they are not real.
Anyone too dumb to know the Bible was not written to be taken literally... a bunch of parables strung together to form a morality tale... even the ancient Hebrews understood that much.
You seem to have developed some sort of theory about my beliefs based on your inability to understand my posts. My theory is that you are a f*cking moron.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#74168 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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One of the biggest fallacy ever propagated by atheists, is that to be a Christian one must know the letter of biblical law, which was directly addressed by the Christ.(Faith)
Anyone can be part of the christian cult. i hear people who say they are christians who don't follow the words of christ all the time...

when dealing with myths rehashed from previous myths, it really doesn't matter what you call yourself, does it?

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#74169 Feb 6, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Athiests somehow care about Christian theological discussions? That one is funny.
Well, I've never considered myself an athiest i just have no religious beliefs...but i love theology and its discussion. watching people try to rationalize what has been proven to be a lie is funny as shit...like mice in a maze. but not quite as quick...

we really should run studies on them...

““You must not lose faith ”

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#74170 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Then show me a statement that theory is defined as 100% certainty.
If not, then you are foolish looking.
I'll be waiting.
Theory as the highest accolade in science. It can be further worked out to ever more details.

Are we just arguing for argument sake...silly business.

It's just that you can find the perfect definition of scientific theory with a bit of googling.
It's not so vague that it merits even a discussion.
Since part and package is that it stands untill falsified, and then it would still be theory and the scientific method properly applied. Self-correcting and that's the beuaty of it.

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#74171 Feb 6, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Athiests somehow care about Christian theological discussions? That one is funny.
Of course not.TRUE scientific inquiry explores all possibilities.
Alien Outlaw

Kansas City, MO

#74172 Feb 6, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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We all know gravity exists. So do evolution and the big bang. There is still debate amongst physicists about how/why gravity works.
So it is still a theory.
Human knowledge has failed again. The Big Bang should be called the Big Mindgame. Its impossible to accept a theory when almost all the info is inadequate.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#74173 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Of course not.TRUE scientific inquiry explores all possibilities.
First you need the very first teensiest shred of evidence that some god, gods or goddesses may have possibly, maybe ever existed. when you find that first teensy shred of evidence, then any talk of gods in a scientific way will start.

get back to us when you find that first teensy shred....till then you might as well be discussing how the Easter Bunny created the rings of mars or how the loch ness monster started life on Earth...

““You must not lose faith ”

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#74174 Feb 6, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Athiests somehow care about Christian theological discussions? That one is funny.
Thank you for biting.

In the first place, as can be seen here on several fora: christians do not know what they believe.
O they flaunt their believes in your face for sure. Together with all the foulmouthed behaviour and prejudices that i since have come to associate with it.
So to be an atheist in the catholic sense of just not believing in a trinity, or the proper god, is allready hard work.
But at least catholics do have a booklet telling them what it was all about, just in case they veer of their path.

Recap: you either end up attacking abstractions, which does not work.
Or you are left with literal criticism...very well since that can be developed into an artform.

And then you have ofcourse the fact that if you happen to be jewish you are automatically an atheist. The prototype the definition is based on. ;P
Same goes for a philosopher of the greek kind or any freethinker or believer in civil rights now.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#74175 Feb 6, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Human knowledge has failed again. The Big Bang should be called the Big Mindgame. Its impossible to accept a theory when almost all the info is inadequate.
Exactly what info is inadequate? please be specific...

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#74176 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Wait a minute...your science buddy just told me they were the very same thing...which is it?
You guys really need to share your index cards more.lol
I've already told you that Law is often used incorrectly for a theory. Laws are often used to describe a mathematical relationship. But they are not theories.

Back to the 5th grade for you.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#74177 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Wait a minute...your science buddy just told me they were the very same thing...which is it?
You guys really need to share your index cards more.lol
Read what Trekx just posted on the subject. I'm sure he can use smaller words if need be.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#74179 Feb 6, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Human knowledge has failed again. The Big Bang should be called the Big Mindgame. Its impossible to accept a theory when almost all the info is inadequate.
Depending on which part of the Big Bang you're referring to, it could be a theory or a hypothesis. There is a difference.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#74180 Feb 6, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Which is why 99.99% of working professionals in relevant fields of life sciences (biologists, etc) accept AND EMPLOY the Theory of Evolution.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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No they don't.
Mmmmm....yes. They do.(data to be provided shortly)
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>Now does a majority make something true. Science is not a popularity contest.
WAIT a minute! Didn't you just say "No they don't." when I stated (correctly) that 99.99% of scientists in relevant fields accept and EMPLOY the ToE? Now, you say it's not a 'popularity contest'?

Which is it?
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>Now, quit wasting our time, and stop with the futile logic fallacies.
I suppose you're referring to the fallacy known as 'argumentum ad populum'?

Does not apply in this case, as those being considered in the "contest" (your words) are professionals in the field of biology, and not that of the lay public. Thus your argument is rendered moot (as I will show shortly).
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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I make no speculations, and have no opinion one way or another. I neither support evolution, or Creationism, or design, or anything. One must liberate themselves from all of these preconceived notions to really understand science.
Franky, you are lying.

I've seen your posts on other threads, and your bias is laughingly transparent.

The science is there. We have it. You do not.

This is NOT to say there is no Supreme Deity.

There may be.

But if there is, He/She/It used the toolbox and the timeline described by science, and not that of Genesis to do His bidding

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#74181 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, I've never considered myself an athiest i just have no religious beliefs...but i love theology and its discussion. watching people try to rationalize what has been proven to be a lie is funny as shit...like mice in a maze. but not quite as quick...
we really should run studies on them...
So by your own words, you enter a "scientific" study of religion with preconceived notions and bias, all the while claiming to be totally impartial.

You validate my point nicely.TY
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#74182 Feb 6, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Human knowledge has failed again. The Big Bang should be called the Big Mindgame. Its impossible to accept a theory when almost all the info is inadequate.
What info? About what set the big bang into motion? There is no doubt the big bang creation event happened. That much is scientific fact.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#74183 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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So by your own words, you enter a "scientific" study of religion with preconceived notions and bias, all the while claiming to be totally impartial.
You validate my point nicely.TY
Well, since the basies for your myths were proven to be lies long before i was born, i was not able to honestly look at it without that prior knowledge. the same would fgo for you. why do you believe if you know it is based on proven lies?

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#74184 Feb 6, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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I've already told you that Law is often used incorrectly for a theory. Laws are often used to describe a mathematical relationship. But they are not theories.
Back to the 5th grade for you.
The mistakes yours, not mine...pay attention.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#74185 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Of course not.TRUE scientific inquiry explores all possibilities.
?????

Science does not explore religious theology. Faith is a completely different concept.

Scientific inquiry is about things which can be studied rationally.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#74186 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, I've never considered myself an athiest i just have no religious beliefs...but i love theology and its discussion. watching people try to rationalize what has been proven to be a lie is funny as shit...like mice in a maze. but not quite as quick...

we really should run studies on them...
I view atheism as a religious belief. The very idea that they know the absolute truth about what set off the big bang and...

No religious beliefs here. But no reason to make debunking the god hypothesis my goal either. Not sure why the non religious would feel the need to do so.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#74187 Feb 6, 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientif...

The American Association for the Advancement of Science is the world's largest general scientific society. The AAAS serves some 262 affiliated societies and academies of science, serving 10 million individuals.

American Association of University Professors is an organization of professors and other academics in the United States. AAUP membership is about 47,000, with over 500 local campus chapters and 39 state organizations.

American Astronomical Society is an American society of professional astronomers and other interested individuals, with over 7,000 members and six divisions.

American Chemical Society is a scientific society that supports scientific inquiry in the field of chemistry, with more than 164,000 members at all degree-levels and in all fields of chemistry, chemical engineering, and related fields. It is the world's largest scientific society and one of the leading sources of authoritative scientific information.

American Geophysical Union The AGU represents over 43,000 Earth and space scientists. "Advocates of intelligent design believe that life on Earth is too complex to have evolved on its own and must therefore be the work of a designer. That is an untestable belief and, therefore, cannot qualify as a scientific theory."

American Institute of Physics has a Governing Board policy statement supporting evolution and opposing creationism.

American Society of Agronomy The ASA represents over 10,000 members. "Intelligent design is not a scientific discipline and should not be taught as part of the K-12 science curriculum. Intelligent design has neither the substantial research base, nor the testable hypotheses as a scientific discipline. There are at least 70 resolutions from a broad array of scientific societies and institutions that are united on this matter."

American Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology The ASBMB is a scientific and educational society representing 12,000 biochemists and molecular biologists. ""Intelligent design" is not a theory in the scientific sense, nor is it a scientific alternative to the theory of evolution...."intelligent design" might be appropriate to teach in a religion or philosophy class, but the concept has no place in a science classroom and should not be taught there."

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