Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Read more

“That's just MY opinion...”

Since: Jan 07

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#74157 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Biology proves beyond that the shadow of any doubt that all life fiercely resists change, which is why DNA is the backbone of life. It is precisely the LACK of change that makes the evolutionary model impossible.
Life resists change too much to make it work.
If that were true, animal breeders would have no way of developing new breeds.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#74158 Feb 6, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
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Overwhelming evidence is not "proof". There exists a remote possibility that there could be an explanation which defies all evidence and rational understanding. Biblical Delusionists will provide you with that explanation.
What is the point in denial? If you wish to say a creator was behind the big bang and guided the evolutionary process...

It is silly to pretend they are not real.

Anyone too dumb to know the Bible was not written to be taken literally... a bunch of parables strung together to form a morality tale... even the ancient Hebrews understood that much.

Since: Jun 12

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#74159 Feb 6, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Like: Jesus was not found as a name in the gospel but inserted later.
Atheism has not been the same of late.
We used to be way more knowledgable than any christian, safe the ones with a good European theology university education.
That would agree and understand concepts like MYTH, DOGMA and TENETS OF BELIEVE. And since they can't explain it all and feel better with a SOMETHING around, they would say they are believers.
And usually they pick what suits them.
Believe is per definition agnostic. Otherwise you would know and believe would not be needed.
It's extremely rare to meet such types as found here on the forum in Europe*...with thus so little knowledge about the history and theology in general.
Bar some backward eastern countries that picked up where they left of in the middle ages. Throwing stones at orpanages with HIV kids. Excorcisms on the schizophrenic till death, for it must be of the devil. And more of that sort of retarded...uhm good christian behaviour. Even the pantzerpope endorses it! Weird times.
Give'm a finger and they take your right to live away.
And frankly one cannot attack abstractions. Love, holiness, redemption, hate a.s.o.
But literalism ...anytime.
One of the biggest fallacy ever propagated by atheists, is that to be a Christian one must know the letter of biblical law, which was directly addressed by the Christ.(Faith)

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#74160 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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"So when we are scientifically discussing gravity, we can talk about the law that describes the attraction between two objects, and we can also talk about the theory that describes why the objects attract each other."
The Happy Scientist say's different...
thehappyscientist.com
http://thehappyscientist.com/science-experime...
yeah, see the happy scientist is trying to eplain complex ideas to people that are dumber than a bos of rocks. his statement that we can use newtons formulae for the attraction of bodies holds true for crude calculations. as stated previously, if we used those formulae, or laws as you would call them, to launch missiles or orbiters or moon rockets, they would not work. If yout Tom Tom or Google maps Gps system used them, they would not work.

is that really a law if it doesn't work in all situations? this is why real scientists don't really use that term any more.

Since: Jun 12

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#74161 Feb 6, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Still wrong. And you misunderstood him. The LAW describes the mathematical relationship. It is not the same as a theory.
nope.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#74162 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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I would think that why they call them theories, and not laws.Duh.
But...but...but...you said we had scientific laws?

why do you fools keep contradicting yourselves when trying to debunk things you don't even have the slightest clue about? oh yeah..you don't have the slightest clue as to what you are talking about....that's why.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#74163 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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I would think that why they call them theories, and not laws.Duh.
Is this the same old rehashing you spoke of earlier, where you say incorrect stuff and everyone corrects you?

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#74164 Feb 6, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Still wrong. And you misunderstood him. The LAW describes the mathematical relationship. It is not the same as a theory.
Wait a minute...your science buddy just told me they were the very same thing...which is it?

You guys really need to share your index cards more.lol

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Since: Feb 13

Riverside , CA

#74165 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Your the one who needs to read a science book.
Oh i have read many, OK, try this, pick an object Hold it out in front of you and release it. What happens? It falls, of course. The gravitational attraction between the Earth and the object pulls it towards the ground. But, when we do this experiment, should we be talking about the Law of Gravity or the Theory of Gravity?

Actually, we should be talking about both. To understand why, we need to understand the scientific meaning of the words "law" and "theory."

In the language of science, the word "law" describes an analytic statement. It gives us a formula that tells us what things will do. For example, Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation tells us that "Every point mass attracts every single point mass by a force pointing along the line intersecting both points. The force is directly proportional to the product of the two masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the point masses." That formula will let us calculate the gravitational pull between the Earth and the object you dropped, between the Sun and Mars, or between me and a bowl of ice cream.

We can use Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation to calculate how strong the gravitational pull is between the Earth and the object you dropped, which would let us calculate its acceleration as it falls, how long it will take to hit the ground, how fast it would be going at impact, how much energy it will take to pick it up again, etc.

While the law lets us calculate quite a bit about what happens, notice that it does not tell us anything about why it happens. That is what theories are for. In the language of science, the word "theory" is used to describe an explanation of why and how things happen. For gravity, we use Einstein's Theory of General Relativity to explain why things fall.

A theory starts as one or more hypotheses, untested ideas about why something happens. For example, I might propose a hypothesis that the object that you released fell because it was pulled by the Earth's magnetic field. Once we started testing, it would not take long to find out that my hypothesis was not supported by the evidence. Non-magnetic objects fall at the same rate as magnetic objects. Because it was not supported by the evidence, my hypothesis does not gain the status of being a theory. To become a scientific theory, an idea must be thoroughly tested, and must be an accurate and predictive description of the natural world.

While laws rarely change, theories change frequently as new evidence is discovered. Instead of being discarded due to new evidence, theories are often revised to include the new evidence in their explanation. The Theory of General Relativity has adapted as new technologies and new evidence have expanded our view of the universe.

So when we are scientifically discussing gravity, we can talk about the law that describes the attraction between two objects, and we can also talk about the theory that describes why the objects attract each other.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#74166 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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One of the biggest fallacy ever propagated by atheists, is that to be a Christian one must know the letter of biblical law, which was directly addressed by the Christ.(Faith)
Athiests somehow care about Christian theological discussions? That one is funny.

“That's just MY opinion...”

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#74167 Feb 6, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
What is the point in denial? If you wish to say a creator was behind the big bang and guided the evolutionary process...
It is silly to pretend they are not real.
Anyone too dumb to know the Bible was not written to be taken literally... a bunch of parables strung together to form a morality tale... even the ancient Hebrews understood that much.
You seem to have developed some sort of theory about my beliefs based on your inability to understand my posts. My theory is that you are a f*cking moron.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#74168 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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One of the biggest fallacy ever propagated by atheists, is that to be a Christian one must know the letter of biblical law, which was directly addressed by the Christ.(Faith)
Anyone can be part of the christian cult. i hear people who say they are christians who don't follow the words of christ all the time...

when dealing with myths rehashed from previous myths, it really doesn't matter what you call yourself, does it?

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#74169 Feb 6, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Athiests somehow care about Christian theological discussions? That one is funny.
Well, I've never considered myself an athiest i just have no religious beliefs...but i love theology and its discussion. watching people try to rationalize what has been proven to be a lie is funny as shit...like mice in a maze. but not quite as quick...

we really should run studies on them...

““You must not lose faith ”

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Since: Jun 11

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#74170 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Then show me a statement that theory is defined as 100% certainty.
If not, then you are foolish looking.
I'll be waiting.
Theory as the highest accolade in science. It can be further worked out to ever more details.

Are we just arguing for argument sake...silly business.

It's just that you can find the perfect definition of scientific theory with a bit of googling.
It's not so vague that it merits even a discussion.
Since part and package is that it stands untill falsified, and then it would still be theory and the scientific method properly applied. Self-correcting and that's the beuaty of it.

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#74171 Feb 6, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Athiests somehow care about Christian theological discussions? That one is funny.
Of course not.TRUE scientific inquiry explores all possibilities.
Alien Outlaw

Kansas City, MO

#74172 Feb 6, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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We all know gravity exists. So do evolution and the big bang. There is still debate amongst physicists about how/why gravity works.
So it is still a theory.
Human knowledge has failed again. The Big Bang should be called the Big Mindgame. Its impossible to accept a theory when almost all the info is inadequate.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#74173 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Of course not.TRUE scientific inquiry explores all possibilities.
First you need the very first teensiest shred of evidence that some god, gods or goddesses may have possibly, maybe ever existed. when you find that first teensy shred of evidence, then any talk of gods in a scientific way will start.

get back to us when you find that first teensy shred....till then you might as well be discussing how the Easter Bunny created the rings of mars or how the loch ness monster started life on Earth...

““You must not lose faith ”

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Since: Jun 11

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#74174 Feb 6, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Athiests somehow care about Christian theological discussions? That one is funny.
Thank you for biting.

In the first place, as can be seen here on several fora: christians do not know what they believe.
O they flaunt their believes in your face for sure. Together with all the foulmouthed behaviour and prejudices that i since have come to associate with it.
So to be an atheist in the catholic sense of just not believing in a trinity, or the proper god, is allready hard work.
But at least catholics do have a booklet telling them what it was all about, just in case they veer of their path.

Recap: you either end up attacking abstractions, which does not work.
Or you are left with literal criticism...very well since that can be developed into an artform.

And then you have ofcourse the fact that if you happen to be jewish you are automatically an atheist. The prototype the definition is based on. ;P
Same goes for a philosopher of the greek kind or any freethinker or believer in civil rights now.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#74175 Feb 6, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Human knowledge has failed again. The Big Bang should be called the Big Mindgame. Its impossible to accept a theory when almost all the info is inadequate.
Exactly what info is inadequate? please be specific...

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#74176 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Wait a minute...your science buddy just told me they were the very same thing...which is it?
You guys really need to share your index cards more.lol
I've already told you that Law is often used incorrectly for a theory. Laws are often used to describe a mathematical relationship. But they are not theories.

Back to the 5th grade for you.

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