Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Feb 13

Riverside , CA

#74097 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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LOL!!!!!!
Now flu shots is evidence of evolution? You're not serious, right?
No, evolution has never been proven.
Just look how yet again, no one is able to explain how mutations have resulted in positive changes that result in a new species?
there is not just a lack of evidence for evolution. there is ZERO evidence for it, as a matter of scientific fact. And around and around we go.
But if you can make the model viable, go ahead. As I keep stating, if you can do what the whole scientific community has not been able to do with decades, you'd be a hero.
Just because you are not smart enough to understand it doesn't make it untrue, it just make you ignorant. And yes READ a science book! The reason you have to get a flu shoot every year is because the flu virus evolves much more rapidly than do viruses like measles, mumps, and polio. Our bodies fight off diseases, in part, through the production of antibodies that help our immune systems recognize and attack foreign invaders. Vaccines work by priming the body with the right antibodies to fight a particular disease before it gets a foothold and makes us sick. For measles, mumps, and polio, this works just fine. If you were fully vaccinated for these diseases as a child (or had the disease as a child) and your body encounters one of these pathogens many years later, it is extremely likely that your body's antibodies will be able to recognize the intruders and attack them. However, the flu evolves so much from season to season that last year's antibodies usually cannot recognize this year's viral strain. So if you were vaccinated for flu last year or had the flu last year, it indicates nothing about your body's ability to fend off the bug this year.

In fact, in a process called antigenic drift, flu evolves in response to the antibodies our bodies produce each year. During the course of a flu epidemic, many people gain immunity to the strain of the virus that is currently circulating. Through the process of natural selection, any flu virus particles that happen to carry mutations that allow them to slip by the defenses of common antibodies will be favored, produce more copies of themselves, and eventually, spread to more new victims. This process leads to the evolution of new strains, one or some of which are likely to become the cause of next year's flu season.

Its called education, get some before you make wild clams ...

And like i said if you can disprove the FACT of evolution then collect your nobel prize ...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74098 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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No, I stated that it is the nature of the FLU to change itself. It still remains the same flu. It's NATURE does not change at all.
Biology proves beyond that the shadow of any doubt that all life fiercely resists change, which is why DNA is the backbone of life. It is precisely the LACK of change that makes the evolutionary model impossible.
Life resists change too much to make it work.
Yet another example of how you demonstrate you have no idea what you are talking about.
hardly the same flu...how can a staph virus that is resistant to all the antibiotics that used to kill it be considered the same spedcies of virus? it isn't it is a new species. the entire Lineus system of classification is outdated and does not clearly represent the true nature of species and variations. it will be changed int he near future...not to support the theory of evolution, but because of what we have learned from the theoryu of evolution.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74099 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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No, I stated that it is the nature of the FLU to change itself. It still remains the same flu. It's NATURE does not change at all.
Biology proves beyond that the shadow of any doubt that all life fiercely resists change, which is why DNA is the backbone of life. It is precisely the LACK of change that makes the evolutionary model impossible.
Life resists change too much to make it work.
Yet another example of how you demonstrate you have no idea what you are talking about.
Give me some examp;les of this "life resists change' theory of yours...

““You must not lose faith ”

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Since: Jun 11

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#74100 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
theory
/&#712;TH&#275;&#6 01;r&#275;/
Noun
A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be...: "Darwin's theory of evolution"
supposition
/&#716;s&#601;p&#6 01;&#712;ziSH&#601;n/
Noun
An uncertain belief.
Synonyms
assumption - presumption - surmise - guess - conjecture
by definition, a theory in not fact... as some on here would have you believe.
And some like me have wondered since the beginning of this thread what was up with the use of that word 'theory'.
Evolution is, as far as i'm concerned.
Theorizing as to it's exact function, or having to teach the broad outlay might however get that qualification.
And that is just because it is nye impossible to cover al the details and all the progress.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#74101 Feb 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Right. But do you ever wonder why the first civilizations did not occur until about 10,000 BC? Why is that?
Well I have a fairly good idea. In the early days I would bet that the hominids would have a very high rate of infant mortality. We do know that the peoples of around 10,000 years ago had a hard time just replacing themselves (having 2 children that lived).

Also, they were starting from scratch in everything. They had no accumulated knowledge from which to draw. No language to enable them to pass along vital information and knowledge. A scratch could kill them from sepsis because they didn't know the germ theory.

It has been estimated from the bones found that many many of them didn't live past 18-25 years old. That in itself is an impediment to passing along knowledge. For a long time they had no effective weapons to use against wild animals. In Africa, where we came from , there are many things that can kill you.

Then for the longest time we were hunter-gatherers and didn't stay in one place very long...we followed the food. It is only after many people realized we could grow lots of food if we stayed in one place that civilizations/cities started forming.

Another thing to consider is that there were several natural 'disasters' that wiped out lots of the world-wide populations occasionally. Ice ages, volcanoes....those kind of things. 75,000 years ago, when Mount Toba in Sumatra/Malaysia exploded, it may have brought population down to less than 10-20 thousand people.

The US government census bureau has estimated that world population around the time farming commenced in the middle east was 10-20 million people world-wide. All continents (except Antarctica) were populated by this time.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#74102 Feb 6, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Brainwash with modification.
As far as i understood he and is merry gang were living of older well to do widows.
If you want to call that being the diciple of the master, i think you have a warped sense of reality.
The New Testament is propaganda written decades after his death by people with various political agendas. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the real Jesus or his life.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#74103 Feb 6, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
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Then Evolution it is. See how simple?
Laffin.

Yah.

Since: Jun 12

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#74104 Feb 6, 2013
Science as a belief system utterly fails because it's basic foundation, is one of doubt. There's always a possibility that any given theorem, can be completely over turned or reversed.

hypothesis= this is the way it could be.

Theory= this is the way it seems to be.

Intrinsic intelligent processes exhibited by the Universe?...100% observable and testable phenomena.

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Since: Mar 11

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#74105 Feb 6, 2013
God

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Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#74106 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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There is no such fossil record that supports this. The fossil records do not support evolution at all, or any such transitional period between species.
You are just regurgitating what someone told you at this point. I bet you don't have the faintest idea what the model of evolution actual is, do you?
Blind faith?
Unfortunately, this is probably how religions actual start. Blind followers of something they think is absolutely true.
Sad, really, that science is being destroyed from within.
Bloody Norah, you really are that ignorant, aren't you?

NEWS FLASH:

The geological column absolutely proves the age of the Earth.

The fossil-record sequence absolutely proves evolution.

(Do NOT start blathering about abiogenesis - that's a whole different matter!)

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74107 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
Science as a belief system utterly fails because it's basic foundation, is one of doubt. There's always a possibility that any given theorem, can be completely over turned or reversed.
hypothesis= this is the way it could be.
Theory= this is the way it seems to be.
Intrinsic intelligent processes exhibited by the Universe?...100% observable and testable phenomena.
Your description of what a scientific theory is is not correct. one needs corroborating evidence to make a theory. a scientific theory must predict future observations and those must be upheld or the thoery must be altered or thrown out.

why would you try to debunk the scientific method when you don't even understan what it si our how it works?

Since: Jun 12

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#74108 Feb 6, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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The New Testament is propaganda written decades after his death by people with various political agendas. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the real Jesus or his life.
I fail to see how...

&#9668; Matthew 5:44

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"

....would support anyone's political agenda.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#74109 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Actually, there is no way to know that, if humans are 200,000 years old (or is it 400,000, it keeps changing.)
Ever see any of the World Without Us shows? We now know that almost no evidence of any advanced civilization would endure past a few thousands years. And things like the pyramids are only a tiny fraction of the total sum of structures built.
Skyscrapers would not last past a 1000 years, cars and their engines no more than 50 to a 100 years, etc, etc. All traces would be gone, period.
Nature is a very harsh recycler.
It has been 200,000 years or less for a very long time. And we know that signs of civilizations last a long time. Not long ago a major archaeological find in Turkey (Gbekli Tepe) was dated to 11,000 years ago. Very many archaeological sites all over the world are over 10,000 years old.

““You must not lose faith ”

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Since: Jun 11

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#74110 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Wrong.
It relies on millions of years, as matter of math. The current measurable changes in any species by mutation, and by mutations that survive to the next generation to bring a positive change that enhances survive and natural selection, takes not only MILLIONS OF YEARS, but BILLIONS.
The math does not lie.
But you do.
The buildingblocks took a long time to make. Then the earth.
To get things started took a god billion years. But once you have a tried and tested form. It will be repeated and added too. And than evolution takes of exponentionally.
The wheel needs not inventing every generation.
Or some gods that have to keep it steady:"...whoooh guys...easy does it...add a bit of histione their....keep that codon in place...HOLD THAT ASTEROID!

““You must not lose faith ”

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Since: Jun 11

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#74111 Feb 6, 2013
typo X)) god-good

Since: Jun 12

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#74112 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Your description of what a scientific theory is is not correct. one needs corroborating evidence to make a theory. a scientific theory must predict future observations and those must be upheld or the thoery must be altered or thrown out.
why would you try to debunk the scientific method when you don't even understan what it si our how it works?
If a theory was 100% certain, then it would be a fact and not a theory.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#74113 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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I fail to see how...

&#9668; Matthew 5:44

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"

....would support anyone's political agenda.
Not national politics. The gospels were written by men trying to influence the church into going certain ways... so they made up things and put them into the mouth of Jesus.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#74114 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
Science as a belief system utterly fails because it's basic foundation, is one of doubt. There's always a possibility that any given theorem, can be completely over turned or reversed.

hypothesis= this is the way it could be.

Theory= this is the way it seems to be.

Intrinsic intelligent processes exhibited by the Universe?...100% observable and testable phenomena.
Science is not a belief system. It is a study through observation of the intrinsic intelligent processes exhibited by the universe.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#74115 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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If a theory was 100% certain, then it would be a fact and not a theory.
Not really. It would still be a theory because of alternative ideas about how it works.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74116 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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I fail to see how...
&#9668; Matthew 5:44
"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"
....would support anyone's political agenda.
Wellm the historical backround changes as to different opposition to christianity was at the time of that particular gospel's writing.

yes, they were in fact propoganda, billboards if you will for their particular sect of believers...

If they were true memoirs fo jesus's time, the historical backround would not have changed.

for one example, look at how the Pharisees are mentioned from teh earlier gospels to the later ones...in the earlier ones, they wer not that powerful or as much of a threat to jesus and his sect,as that was the fact at the time of that gospels writing. in later gospels the Pharisees are very powerful and very much a threat, as that was the truth at the time of that gospel's writing.

check out Isaac osomov's secular look at the new teatament for further examples of such and a great secular look at the facts in the bible...

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