Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216925 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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West Palm Beach, FL

#74069 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> God can never be created.
Gods are created all the time. The idea of an eternal being however is just plain silly. Nothing is forever.

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74070 Feb 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
what about non-coding DNA? design or evolution?
I make no speculations, and have no opinion one way or another. I neither support evolution, or Creationism, or design, or anything. One must liberate themselves from all of these preconceived notions to really understand science.

I merely point out the fact that evolution has not viable model that works.

And as predicted, it is met with hostility, disbelief, and nonsense about breeding being an example of evolution, which it is not.

And it is not my fault such ab absurd notion has survived so long in academia, and become the status quo without any foundation, or that people's careers are destroyed if they question it. That is reality, but until we are ALL brave enough to question what we hold to be truth, there will be no progress.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74072 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
And notice how you have not named the new species.
I will put aside the utter dishonesty in your attempt to replace "breeding" with forcing evolution, for the moment.
And let you further humiliate yourself with more embarrassing comments.
What part of the clear fossil record of one species to the nest moving from more ape like to more human like ( I know that isn't tech. correct, hominids didn't evolve from apes, but this guy has the intelligence of an ape, so it needs to be dumbed down...)don't you understand?

“That's just MY opinion...”

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#74073 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
I don't put much faith in magic, sorry.:)
Then Evolution it is. See how simple?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74074 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!!!!!
Now flu shots is evidence of evolution? You're not serious, right?
No, evolution has never been proven.
Just look how yet again, no one is able to explain how mutations have resulted in positive changes that result in a new species?
there is not just a lack of evidence for evolution. there is ZERO evidence for it, as a matter of scientific fact. And around and around we go.
But if you can make the model viable, go ahead. As I keep stating, if you can do what the whole scientific community has not been able to do with decades, you'd be a hero.
he was refering to the evolution of the flu viruses 9 and tangentally the evolution of humans to those changes...)

why can't you disprove those? wyy don't you understand the simple concept he outlined?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74075 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I mentioned FORCED EVOLUTION.
I see you have reverted to lying.
Breeding is not evolution. Or are you going to submit that it is now, to save face?
What is forced evolution then?

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74077 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>What part of the clear fossil record of one species to the nest moving from more ape like to more human like ( I know that isn't tech. correct, hominids didn't evolve from apes, but this guy has the intelligence of an ape, so it needs to be dumbed down...)don't you understand?
There is no such fossil record that supports this. The fossil records do not support evolution at all, or any such transitional period between species.

You are just regurgitating what someone told you at this point. I bet you don't have the faintest idea what the model of evolution actual is, do you?

Blind faith?

Unfortunately, this is probably how religions actual start. Blind followers of something they think is absolutely true.

Sad, really, that science is being destroyed from within.

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#74078 Feb 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
"Atheism is not a philosophy; it is not even a view of the world; it is simply a refusal to deny the obvious."
-Sam Harris
--American Neuroscientist
(good quote)

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Albuquerque, NM

#74079 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>he was refering to the evolution of the flu viruses 9 and tangentally the evolution of humans to those changes...)
why can't you disprove those? wyy don't you understand the simple concept he outlined?
So you are no changing the meaning of evolution to support your world view?

The flu is the flu. It has to change (not evolve, see who you avoid using the right word?) to do what it does.

If the flu never changed, then it would never survive. It is its nature.

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Albuquerque, NM

#74080 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>What is forced evolution then?
Nothing. It's not anything, thus the point. Can evolution be forced?

If evolution could be forced, then MAYBE we could test it. But since the model depends upon millions of years, or enough time for mutations to change the species, that would be very, very difficult without time travel.

The model also is based on this being a NATURAL occurrence. If it is forced, then that contradicts the model, as that would be design, not accident, or natural selection.

I guess forced evolution could be theistic evolution then. Is that what you support?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74081 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
(good quote)
Partial quote... that was not the intent of the whole quote, in fact the whole quote was quite the opposite...

google the whole quote if you want truth.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74082 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing. It's not anything, thus the point. Can evolution be forced?
If evolution could be forced, then MAYBE we could test it. But since the model depends upon millions of years, or enough time for mutations to change the species, that would be very, very difficult without time travel.
The model also is based on this being a NATURAL occurrence. If it is forced, then that contradicts the model, as that would be design, not accident, or natural selection.
I guess forced evolution could be theistic evolution then. Is that what you support?
Yes, evolution can be forced, I JUST GAVE YOU THE FREAKIN' EXAMPLES OF SUCH! Are you really this stupid or purposefully obtuse to avoid admitting you were totally wrong?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74083 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are no changing the meaning of evolution to support your world view?
The flu is the flu. It has to change (not evolve, see who you avoid using the right word?) to do what it does.
If the flu never changed, then it would never survive. It is its nature.
As is the nature of all beings. you just perfectly showed that evolution is how things change...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74084 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such fossil record that supports this. The fossil records do not support evolution at all, or any such transitional period between species.
You are just regurgitating what someone told you at this point. I bet you don't have the faintest idea what the model of evolution actual is, do you?
Blind faith?
Unfortunately, this is probably how religions actual start. Blind followers of something they think is absolutely true.
Sad, really, that science is being destroyed from within.
In fact tehre is such a rich and verifiable fossil record. why do you deny things that can be easily checked out? are you that blind to the real world?

how many more times do i have to prove what you are saying is ti=otally incorrect?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74085 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing. It's not anything, thus the point. Can evolution be forced?
If evolution could be forced, then MAYBE we could test it. But since the model depends upon millions of years, or enough time for mutations to change the species, that would be very, very difficult without time travel.
The model also is based on this being a NATURAL occurrence. If it is forced, then that contradicts the model, as that would be design, not accident, or natural selection.
I guess forced evolution could be theistic evolution then. Is that what you support?
the model does nto rely on millions of years, it relies on multipl;e generations, which for a flu virus is a couple of days...See? you don't have the slightest clue as to what you are talking about. why do you continuwe to make a fool of yourself like this?

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74086 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, evolution can be forced, I JUST GAVE YOU THE FREAKIN' EXAMPLES OF SUCH! Are you really this stupid or purposefully obtuse to avoid admitting you were totally wrong?
No you didn't. You have me example of BREEDING and GENETIC ENGINEERING, which is NOT evidence of the model of evolution, at all.

Are you deliberately lying, or do you actual believe what you post?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74087 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such fossil record that supports this. The fossil records do not support evolution at all, or any such transitional period between species.
You are just regurgitating what someone told you at this point. I bet you don't have the faintest idea what the model of evolution actual is, do you?
Blind faith?
Unfortunately, this is probably how religions actual start. Blind followers of something they think is absolutely true.
Sad, really, that science is being destroyed from within.
An idea of what the model of evolution is? you gave a perfect one when you said why flu virus's change...

you actually support this theory and you don't efven know it! how fun is that!

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74088 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>As is the nature of all beings. you just perfectly showed that evolution is how things change...
No, I stated that it is the nature of the FLU to change itself. It still remains the same flu. It's NATURE does not change at all.

Biology proves beyond that the shadow of any doubt that all life fiercely resists change, which is why DNA is the backbone of life. It is precisely the LACK of change that makes the evolutionary model impossible.

Life resists change too much to make it work.

Yet another example of how you demonstrate you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#74089 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the model does nto rely on millions of years, it relies on multipl;e generations, which for a flu virus is a couple of days...See? you don't have the slightest clue as to what you are talking about. why do you continuwe to make a fool of yourself like this?
Wrong.

It relies on millions of years, as matter of math. The current measurable changes in any species by mutation, and by mutations that survive to the next generation to bring a positive change that enhances survive and natural selection, takes not only MILLIONS OF YEARS, but BILLIONS.

The math does not lie.

But you do.

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#74090 Feb 6, 2013
the·o·ry
/&#712;TH&#275;&#6 01;r&#275;/
Noun

A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be...: "Darwin's theory of evolution"

sup·po·si·tion
/&#716;s&#601;p&#6 01;&#712;ziSH&#601;n/
Noun
An uncertain belief.
Synonyms
assumption - presumption - surmise - guess - conjecture

by definition, a theory in not fact... as some on here would have you believe.

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