Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 219578 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#74026 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>that is also in no way proof of creation.
you have a very funny idea of what constitutes proof.
Not funny, but the truth!

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#74027 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>What parts of it are impossible?
All of it. The model doesn't work. When the model was proposed in earlier times when we understood less about biology, it might have made sense. But now that we now know that mutations in all species are extremely rare, and POSITIVE mutations are even more rare, the model falls apart.

Now we know through biology that changes in any species are extremely difficult to occur naturally, and still extremely difficult to force by manipulation. We cannot even force evolution to happen, let alone stand by an observe it.

Does that help?

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#74028 Feb 6, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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What does "A" and "Z" stand for? Moron.
Moron, "A" stand for first and "Z " stand for last. Period.

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#74029 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Not funny, but the truth!
No, not prooof in any way, shape or form or in any definition of the word proof. other than that...

nailed it!

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#74030 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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All of it. The model doesn't work. When the model was proposed in earlier times when we understood less about biology, it might have made sense. But now that we now know that mutations in all species are extremely rare, and POSITIVE mutations are even more rare, the model falls apart.
Now we know through biology that changes in any species are extremely difficult to occur naturally, and still extremely difficult to force by manipulation. We cannot even force evolution to happen, let alone stand by an observe it.
Does that help?
that also, is not factually correct. nice try. again, which parts of it are incorrect?

difficult to force? seriously dude?!?!? we are making new species of plants every year! we have manipulated animals so they glow in the freakin' dark?

you are so far over your idiotic head that you can't even fathom (pun intended..) the depths ( again) of your ignorance.

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#74031 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>sure we can! humans have created thousands of gods. most of them more interesting than yours.
maybe the universe was, is and always will be and then humans created god.(well, we know the last part is true. llok at all the human traits your mythical god has, he is a vindictive, jealous little prick. why would a god be so human like if humans didn't invent him?
We invented the god concept and yet we will all die, either timely or time, why?
Since we are the inventors then why can we not inmortalise .

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#74032 Feb 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Then you don't know much about archeology then. How did they find fossils from millions of years ago if there is no way to trace when the earliest civilizations came to existence? It doesn't make sense.
Please try not to begin your discussions with personal attacks, or assumptions about the other person. I what I already stated is confirmed by archeologists curious as to what would remain of OUR civilization thousands of years from now.

And fossils have nothing to do with archeology, you are mixing two different studies, one that deals with human development, and another that deals with biological development. Human structures are seldom fossilized, Pompeii was a rarity being preserved by volcanic ash. There COULD be traces of much earlier civilizations that have not been found yet. But the vast majority things built are of wood, not stone, just like today. Around ancient Rome was a vast suburb of wooden homes, far outside the wall, of which there is very little evidence of today. We get our word suburb from suburbia. As for fossils, we only have a tiny fraction of every living species that may have existed as well, so it makes perfect sense that we cannot assume very much at all about history.

So, most of even a current civilization like Rome or Greece is mostly gone. What would be left of 10,000 years? Much, much less.

Therefore, even a highly advanced civilization could have existed that we will never know about.

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#74033 Feb 6, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Your original exact words, you blistering buffoon:
"In simple or basic English, the alpha and omega( the beginning and the end also known as God almighty, can never be created)."
God can never be created.

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#74034 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>that also, is not factually correct. nice try. again, which parts of it are incorrect?
difficult to force? seriously dude?!?!? we are making new species of plants every year! we have manipulated animals so they glow in the freakin' dark?
you are so far over your idiotic head that you can't even fathom (pun intended..) the depths ( again) of your ignorance.
LOL!

It is entirely correct. You are welcome to prove otherwise. No one has yet, and they've been working very hard to find a better model than currently exists.

Genetic engineering does not make new species, it changes current ones for some specific purpose, like seedless grapes.

But seedless grapes is not a positive change for evolution, as obviously, such grapes would go extinct the moment humans stopped growing them.

That is not evolution. Nor does it force evolution.

Now, if you have actual evidence of enough positive mutations occurring in any species that it created a new species, let's see the data. I assure you, you'd be a hero of the scientific community of you could pull that off.

:)

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#74035 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> We invented the god concept and yet we will all die, either timely or time, why?
Since we are the inventors then why can we not inmortalise .
Because it is against the laws of our universe. you can sell the idea to the ignorant masses and garner great wealth and power by doing so. and yeah to you cult leader that does so...capitalism at it's best. just don't peddle that shit here in the world of brain cells...

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#74036 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
that brings up my next question. what about the gay people in heaven? how does that work?
They just give each other wingjobs.

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#74037 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!
It is entirely correct. You are welcome to prove otherwise. No one has yet, and they've been working very hard to find a better model than currently exists.
Genetic engineering does not make new species, it changes current ones for some specific purpose, like seedless grapes.
But seedless grapes is not a positive change for evolution, as obviously, such grapes would go extinct the moment humans stopped growing them.
That is not evolution. Nor does it force evolution.
Now, if you have actual evidence of enough positive mutations occurring in any species that it created a new species, let's see the data. I assure you, you'd be a hero of the scientific community of you could pull that off.
:)
Dude, I just did prove your statements wrong...can't you read?

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#74038 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!
It is entirely correct. You are welcome to prove otherwise. No one has yet, and they've been working very hard to find a better model than currently exists.
Genetic engineering does not make new species, it changes current ones for some specific purpose, like seedless grapes.
But seedless grapes is not a positive change for evolution, as obviously, such grapes would go extinct the moment humans stopped growing them.
That is not evolution. Nor does it force evolution.
Now, if you have actual evidence of enough positive mutations occurring in any species that it created a new species, let's see the data. I assure you, you'd be a hero of the scientific community of you could pull that off.
:)
So our modern corn is the same species as the Tseotsine grass it was manipulated from? you really have no cluie as to the depths of your ignorance on this subject.

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#74039 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!
It is entirely correct. You are welcome to prove otherwise. No one has yet, and they've been working very hard to find a better model than currently exists.
Genetic engineering does not make new species, it changes current ones for some specific purpose, like seedless grapes.
But seedless grapes is not a positive change for evolution, as obviously, such grapes would go extinct the moment humans stopped growing them.
That is not evolution. Nor does it force evolution.
Now, if you have actual evidence of enough positive mutations occurring in any species that it created a new species, let's see the data. I assure you, you'd be a hero of the scientific community of you could pull that off.
:)
where did our madern butterball turkeys come from? the thanksgiving bunny?

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#74040 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> God can never be created.
That actually may be true, although not as you might have meant.

"Alpha" and "omega" are still Greek, you halfwit.

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#74041 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!
It is entirely correct. You are welcome to prove otherwise. No one has yet, and they've been working very hard to find a better model than currently exists.
Genetic engineering does not make new species, it changes current ones for some specific purpose, like seedless grapes.
But seedless grapes is not a positive change for evolution, as obviously, such grapes would go extinct the moment humans stopped growing them.
That is not evolution. Nor does it force evolution.
Now, if you have actual evidence of enough positive mutations occurring in any species that it created a new species, let's see the data. I assure you, you'd be a hero of the scientific community of you could pull that off.
:)
where did the texas longhorn steer come from?

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#74042 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!
It is entirely correct. You are welcome to prove otherwise. No one has yet, and they've been working very hard to find a better model than currently exists.
Genetic engineering does not make new species, it changes current ones for some specific purpose, like seedless grapes.
But seedless grapes is not a positive change for evolution, as obviously, such grapes would go extinct the moment humans stopped growing them.
That is not evolution. Nor does it force evolution.
Now, if you have actual evidence of enough positive mutations occurring in any species that it created a new species, let's see the data. I assure you, you'd be a hero of the scientific community of you could pull that off.
:)
Where in the hell did Lance Armstrong come from!?!

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#74043 Feb 6, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
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They just give each other wingjobs.
you have to be gay to get a wing job? man i was gay my whole high school years when my GF gave me all those hand jobs...

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#74044 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> God can never be created.
Sure he can. humans have created literally thousands of them just look at your calendar for a short list....

are you a blasphemer for using the gregorian calendar?

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#74045 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Dude, I just did prove your statements wrong...can't you read?
No you didn't. Not at all.

Now, I'm done playing games.

Evolution has never been proven. If you wish to continue, the burden of proof is now on you.

100+ years is more than enough time to try and sustain a theory. The gig is up. Modern science no utterly refutes evolution, and only politics and shameful, ignorant people like yourself stand in the way of progress and real science.

How do you plead?

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