Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 173636 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Feb 13

Riverside , CA

#73939 Feb 6, 2013
ZACKLY wrote:
<quoted text>It has already been discussed on this thread. The Creator created living things at once and then he showed them patterns to follow to be fruitful and multiply them after their own kind. Everything follows patterns according to the theory. The theory suggest that some species are made to follow after similar patterns by are their own kind. Have you heard of SCP theory?
No it has nothing to do with your ancient beliefs and superstitions. I deal is sane, rational, logical, reality. Not primitive believes of imaginary beings in the sky and ancient books written by some goat herders in the desert that believed that the world was flat.

If i where to say to you that Harry potter is all true and i know this because i read the book. this is about as insane as you talking about your god and bible sound to a rational Atheist ..

You see the problem with us Atheist is we like to think and we like real logical answers back up by real logical facts. I'm not going to accept its true because its in my ancient book of superstitions (bible)or because my imaginary friend (God) made everything end of story. These are simple answers for simple minds..
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#73940 Feb 6, 2013
The SCP or Systems, Cycles and Patterns idea was formulated here on these forum topix threads and the Dude and Kong are part of its history. The nay sayers have caused it to come into what it is.

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#73941 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And i am telling you that, that does not change Newton's beliefs of God and also does not change Einstein statement about religion and science. You once again proven wrong.
And I am telling you that Newton’s beliefs were irrelevant to his discoveries. Whether he believed in a god or the flying spaghetti monster chance has an apple falling in his view, and his belief only coincidentally pertinent to his inventions.

I am also telling you that given your obvious bias and misunderstanding you are misinterpreting or deliberately misunderstanding Einstein’s statement but first we will establish which statement :-

Do you mean Einstein’s statement “The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.”

Or Einstein’s statement “For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions.”

Or Einstein’s statement "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it".

Or Einstein’s statement "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

Or Einstein’s statement "I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty."

Or Einstein’s statement “Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbour such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms. True religion is real living; living with all one's soul, with all one's goodness and righteousness."

Or Einstein’s statement "A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectual on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."

Or Einstein’s statement “Morality is of the highest importance-- but for us, not for God."

I have offered actual extracts from Einstein’s statements and it seems you have offered nothing on top of lies. Is this lying and deception what gets you hot?

So it seem to me that although you make bold statements, I find it hilarious and so typical of your ilk that you IGNORE the commandments (and so much else) that you claim to adhere to -*** Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.*** You hypocritical moron

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In the macro world.

#73942 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You only mentioned google, what about MSN, Wikipedia and even Yahoo?
Clueless, if i may add.
Ok.

Msn, wikipedia and yahoo.

And yes-you ARE clueless.

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#73943 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Bullshit!
Translations, are you ignoring that word?
English translation: Beginning and the End.
Greek translation: Alpha and Omega.
Loser!
Say what? What have you been smoking?

Definitions
Alpha
Noun
The first letter of the Greek alphabet, transliterated as “a.”.

Omega
Noun
The twenty-fourth, and last, letter of the Greek alphabet, transliterated as ‘o’

English translation – Alpha, the first letter of the Greek alphabet. Omega, the last letter of the Greek alphabet

The dictionary PROVES you wrong

You hypocritical moron

Or put another way
eta beta pi

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#73944 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Try another shit, but i am assuring your results will be full of shit. Huh!
You can assure me of whatever you like it will make no difference to FACT

You want an explanation without the bother of learning and because that explanation is beyond your simple comprehension you ignore it anyway.

You want that explanation on topix without the bother of learning because you are too ignorant to bother learning.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#73945 Feb 6, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Revelation 21:6
He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.(NIV)
Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.(NIV)
This statement by Jesus is very important to Christianity because it clearly means that Jesus existed before creation and will continue to exist for all eternity. He was with God before anything was created, and therefore, took part in creation. Jesus, like God, was not created. He is eternal. Thus, Alpha and Omega as a Christian symbol signifies the eternal nature of Jesus Christ and God.
No kidding. Yes, it is a symbol. But not a translation as Chuckles the Clown maintains.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#73946 Feb 6, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
No there is no such thing as evolution.
That's just a very old science myth.
No. The myth is creationism, as the Bible was written by hundreds of authors during the time of mythology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

Evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. Evolutionary processes give rise to diversity at every level of biological organisation, including species, individual organisms and molecules such as DNA and proteins.[1]

Life on Earth originated and then evolved from a universal common ancestor approximately 3.8 billion years ago. Repeated speciation and the divergence of life can be inferred from shared sets of biochemical and morphological traits, or by shared DNA sequences.[2] These homologous traits and sequences are more similar among species that share a more recent common ancestor, and can be used to reconstruct evolutionary histories, using both existing species and the fossil record. Existing patterns of biodiversity have been shaped both by speciation and by extinction.[3]

Charles Darwin and Alfred Wallace were the first to formulate a scientific argument for the theory of evolution by means of natural selection. Evolution by natural selection is a process that is inferred from three facts about populations: 1) more offspring are produced than can possibly survive, 2) traits vary among individuals, leading to different rates of survival and reproduction, and 3) trait differences are heritable.[4] Thus, when members of a population die they are replaced by the progeny of parents that were better adapted to survive and reproduce in the environment in which natural selection took place. This process creates and preserves traits that are seemingly fitted for the functional roles they perform.[5] Natural selection is the only known cause of adaptation, but not the only known cause of evolution. Other, nonadaptive causes of evolution include mutation and genetic drift.[6]

In the early 20th century, genetics was integrated with Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection through the discipline of population genetics. The importance of natural selection as a cause of evolution was accepted into other branches of biology. Moreover, previously held notions about evolution, such as orthogenesis and "progress" became obsolete.[7] Scientists continue to study various aspects of evolution by forming and testing hypotheses, constructing scientific theories, using observational data, and performing experiments in both the field and the laboratory. Biologists agree that descent with modification is one of the most reliably established facts in science.[8] Discoveries in evolutionary biology have made a significant impact not just within the traditional branches of biology, but also in other academic disciplines (e.g., anthropology and psychology) and on society at large.[9][10]

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It's only for thinking people whose brainstem has attached to his/her brain.

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Seffner, FL

#73947 Feb 6, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Unlike you repeating a lie doesn't make me believe it.
To quote Charles: Likewise!
Langoliers wrote:
There is zero proof for macro evolution.
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
No there is no such thing as evolution.
That's just a very old science myth.

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#73948 Feb 6, 2013
superwilly wrote:
<quoted text> With all the "religiosity" expressed on this thread, we christians tend to forget that Christianity is about christ, not our imagined ability to add to or take away from him (He does not need our "explanations" or defenses). The central issue is simply that Christ says "I am". You athiests are free to not believe, I will not resort to ridicule or cruelty.
Not believing is the default position for anything that can't be supported with verifiable evidence.
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Nha Trang, Vietnam

#73949 Feb 6, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
You can assure me of whatever you like it will make no difference to FACT
You want an explanation without the bother of learning and because that explanation is beyond your simple comprehension you ignore it anyway.
You want that explanation on topix without the bother of learning because you are too ignorant to bother learning.
Y U scare me! please remove from facebook account;-00000h, is yo face carbon13?!;-0r skelton bone association with Yale;-000

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#73950 Feb 6, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
The SCP or Systems, Cycles and Patterns idea was formulated here on these forum topix threads and the Dude and Kong are part of its history. The nay sayers have caused it to come into what it is.
Hey! Dont you sully MY name with your nonsense!

Just to clarify: "FREE SPIRIT" (and his socks) is the SOLE author of this "SCP" crap.
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Nha Trang, Vietnam

#73951 Feb 6, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey! Dont you sully MY name with your nonsense!
Just to clarify: "FREE SPIRIT" (and his socks) is the SOLE author of this "SCP" crap.
hey! Kong_King;) stil reading the yo yr book or face book! hope not Jesus, Buddda, n Morhamad book!!!;-00

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#73952 Feb 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Find out the meaning of God.
Nothing can create Yahweh( God).
By definition. But still, if you ask "why is there anything rather than nothing", saying "God" answers nothing at all. Why is there God rather than nothing at all?

All you have done is plug in a magic word to try and make the question go away, and failed.

The real answer you are too terrified to accept? Nobody has a damned clue.

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#73953 Feb 6, 2013
mas vacation wrote:
<quoted text>
Y U scare me! please remove from facebook account;-00000h, is yo face carbon13?!;-0r skelton bone association with Yale;-000
Don’t be stupid, I am not on facebook
It is a late cro-magnon skull, a traditional artefact that godbots claim cannot exist. I photographed it at the National Museum of Prehistory. Les Eyzies-de-Tayac, Dordogne
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Bellevue, WA

#73954 Feb 6, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
By definition. But still, if you ask "why is there anything rather than nothing", saying "God" answers nothing at all. Why is there God rather than nothing at all?
All you have done is plug in a magic word to try and make the question go away, and failed.
The real answer you are too terrified to accept? Nobody has a damned clue.
Jesus clearly taught that the word was like a vey small seed and it branched out to become great. The heavens and the earth includes all of the universe and it was created by the Word of God. Jesus told things in parables that were from the foundations of the heaven and the earth.

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#73955 Feb 6, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus clearly taught that the word was like a vey small seed and it branched out to become great. The heavens and the earth includes all of the universe and it was created by the Word of God. Jesus told things in parables that were from the foundations of the heaven and the earth.
Clearly? There is not even any factual evidence that jesus existed and there is considerable evidence to say that ho didn’t exist in the form depicted in the NT so where do godbots get of claiming “clearly”?

It’s another of those hijacked words like “truth” that seem to mean something different to godbots that to the rest of the English speaking world.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#73957 Feb 6, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus clearly taught that the word was like a vey small seed and it branched out to become great. The heavens and the earth includes all of the universe and it was created by the Word of God. Jesus told things in parables that were from the foundations of the heaven and the earth.
You'd think someone would have written them down in his lifetime if jesus' words were so godlike...

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#73958 Feb 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>You'd think someone would have written them down in his lifetime if jesus' words were so godlike...
Yes.

How hard would it have been to say "Make nice to each other" so it couldn't possibly be misunderstood?

“you must not give faith”

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Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#73959 Feb 6, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Because he is your science God that started the bad science movement.
But he isn't our "science God", today he is c*** compared to us he would barely recognise his theory - which does not mean what you think it means – if he saw it today. We now have Evolutionally Stable Strategies, game theory, genes, examples of modern day examples of speciation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index... http://nondiscovery.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/... , chromosome 2
, the bacterial flagellum http://www.youtube.com/watch... and websites full of transitional fossils http://www.livescience.com/3306-fossils-revea... http://www.transitionalfossils.com/ and we have more people now who understand and can explain Evolution, so many in fact even (for lack of a better term) layman understand better then Darwin ever could…
Here is just 2 You Tubers and some videos of theirs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/playlist...
We have moved beyond Darwin our reasons are different so I ask again why quote him?...

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