Evolution vs. Creation

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#73705 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Dr. Darwin was his grandfather BTW. lol
I noticed. It is obvious from his writings that Charles Darwin wrestled with his faith. He understood just like we have. That science can neither prove or disprove the existence of God.

"Thus we are brought face to face with a difficulty as insoluble as is that of free will and predestination."

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#73706 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I agree with you. It's really frustrating how some educated individuals do not have respect whatsoever. It really makes me sick. Apparently they don't see the beauty of everything, only the vile and evil.
How do you come to the conclusion that someone who doesn't see things your way finds everything vile and evil?

“Is that all you've got?”

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#73707 Feb 4, 2013
I heard a new species was found wandering the streets of D.C.. They named it homo slackass erectus. I think it resembles the skunk more than an anthropoid but I'm going by the stink emanating from behind it.

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#73708 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with you. It's really frustrating how some educated individuals do not have respect whatsoever. It really makes me sick. Apparently they don't see the beauty of everything, only the vile and evil.
Or only what they can process with their overly logical, analytical minds.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#73709 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you. It's really frustrating how some educated individuals do not have respect whatsoever. It really makes me sick. Apparently they don't see the beauty of everything, only the vile and evil.
You are projecting. Those of us with scientific understanding see beauty in things you do not even know about or comprehend. The atomic structures, how things interact, is a very beautiful thing. Quantum mechanics is one of the most gorgeous theories on the planet, even if I don't understand it all. Evolutionary biology is poetic beyond even what Shakespeare could have imagined. Biochemistry is something that sings to you, when you understand it, and the song is something that even our greatest composers cannot hold candles to. You see science as "evil" and "vile" because it requires actual work.

As Dawkins said, there is more beauty in the world that can only been seen with the eyes of science. Paraphrased.

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#73710 Feb 4, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>No, true science is repeatable. Cretinist sites, like the ones you quote from, cannot generate repeatable experiments.

If you do not believe the claims of evolutionists you can go to the sites they list and find the fossils for yourself. You can run the DNA tests and get the same results for yourself. All of their experiments are repeatable. If they aren't it tells you something is wrong with their methodology and their conclusions are probably wrong too.

Scientists are very open about their work, once it is published. Other people testing it is the one way to verify their work. They like that. By the way, if you find that they are not right, your results better be repeatable too. The one way to debunk a debunker is to show that his experiment was faulty.
"true science is repeatable"

As in the Big Bang?
Spontaneous life?

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#73711 Feb 4, 2013
http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm

See, vampires, werewolves and zombies DO exist....

Even the cdc are preparing us....

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#73712 Feb 4, 2013
http://blogs.cdc.gov/publichealthmatters/2011...

There are all kinds of emergencies out there that we can prepare for. Take a zombie apocalypse for example. Thatís right, I said z-o-m-b-i-e a-p-o-c-a-l-y-p-s-e. You may laugh now, but when it happens youíll be happy you read this, and hey, maybe youíll even learn a thing or two about how to prepare for a real emergency.

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#73713 Feb 4, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"true science is repeatable"
As in the Big Bang?
Spontaneous life?
The "Big Bang" is a mathematical theory, so yes, it is reproduced in computer models all the time, but it's also losing ground. It will likely become part of a better theory, eventually.

"Spontaneous life" ... if you knew how chemicals react you'd realize how silly that is. It's not spontaneous at all, just no intelligent guidance required.

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#73715 Feb 4, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
"true science is repeatable"
As in the Big Bang?
Spontaneous life?
On a small scale the Big Bang is repeatable, or at least parts of it are. Check out the Casimir effect.

I assume you mean abiogenesis and yes, even that may be repeatable. It is being worked on right now in the laboratory. We do not have the same luxury of time so to reproduce some effects "cheating" must be done. Of course there are very strong rules about how you can "cheat".

But given a virgin planet under the right conditions abiogenesis should be repeatable.

Here is a question for you: Do you understand why it is a one time event for any planet?

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#73716 Feb 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>The "Big Bang" is a mathematical theory, so yes, it is reproduced in computer models all the time, but it's also losing ground. It will likely become part of a better theory, eventually.

"Spontaneous life" ... if you knew how chemicals react you'd realize how silly that is. It's not spontaneous at all, just no intelligent guidance required.
"The "Big Bang" is a mathematical theory"

Wrong

Wikipedia:
"The Big Bang is a well-tested scientific theory and is widely accepted within the scientific community"

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#73717 Feb 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You are projecting. Those of us with scientific understanding see beauty in things you do not even know about or comprehend. The atomic structures, how things interact, is a very beautiful thing. Quantum mechanics is one of the most gorgeous theories on the planet, even if I don't understand it all. Evolutionary biology is poetic beyond even what Shakespeare could have imagined. Biochemistry is something that sings to you, when you understand it, and the song is something that even our greatest composers cannot hold candles to. You see science as "evil" and "vile" because it requires actual work.
As Dawkins said, there is more beauty in the world that can only been seen with the eyes of science. Paraphrased.
Where in post I said I see Science as vile and evil? I accept Science as fact. But I also think there is a God. I know more about Science than you think I do. What I'm referring to as evil and vile are the people in this forum who resort to ad hominems, personal attacks, even questioning my knowledge and education. I have no respect for those people. They disgust me. It's why I don't like to be in these forums anymore, too much trash talking. See ya!

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#73718 Feb 4, 2013
A bit off-topic, but something's fishy with this:

"Lamborghini crash kills Kissimmee woman, Winter Haven man.

Tiffany Beene was treasurer of a Christian non-profit."

(Yes...Tiffany owned the Lamborghini)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/bre...

Apparently there's good money in Christian non-profits.

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#73719 Feb 4, 2013
Crap! The Avatar was one of the few people in here I actually enjoy talking to. Oh well. Back to trash talking the atheists.

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#73720 Feb 4, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
A bit off-topic, but something's fishy with this:
"Lamborghini crash kills Kissimmee woman, Winter Haven man.
Tiffany Beene was treasurer of a Christian non-profit."
(Yes...Tiffany owned the Lamborghini)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/bre...
Apparently there's good money in Christian non-profits.
Yeah, saw that this morning. Not far from where I live. She was the company treasurer. Hmmm...

Not much left of the Lamborghini.

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#73721 Feb 4, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
A bit off-topic, but something's fishy with this:

"Lamborghini crash kills Kissimmee woman, Winter Haven man.

Tiffany Beene was treasurer of a Christian non-profit."

(Yes...Tiffany owned the Lamborghini)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/bre...

Apparently there's good money in Christian non-profits.
OMG. My missing car!

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#73722 Feb 4, 2013
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
Heres a quick thought why do creationist like to quote Darwin surely now his words are mostly irrelevant let me explain. Why would you quote an evolutionary biologist so bad he didn’t even know of the existence of genes? The points Darwin made that survived have been put better or added to by leaps and bounds, so why pick the worst of our lot?
Because he is your science God that started the bad science movement.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73723 Feb 4, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
I know what star it was.
You're the lost one.
Exactly. You know what it was, but all the other creationists can't agree. Which is exactly my point.

Nothing more surer than a fundie who knows more than everyone else does about their religions.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73724 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I've got a revelation for you.
"The impossibility of conceiving that this grand and wondrous universe, with our conscious selves, arose through chance, seems to me the chief argument for &#8232;the existence of God."
- Charles Darwin
Did you Darwinist evolutionists know that he held a degree in Theology?
http://withalliamgod.wordpress.com/2010/11/29...
stop lying
I was in fact aware of that. He was also into geology too. It still has no bearing on the scientific validity of evolution.
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
"Science is...a powerful way, indeed - to study the natural world. Science is not particularly effective...in making commentary about the supernatural world. Both worlds, for me, are quite real and quite important. They are investigated in different ways. They coexist. They illuminate each other."
-Francis Collins
--American physician-geneticist and director of the National Human Genome Research Institute
Yup. And an evolutionary biologist through and through. The clue being noted in his (now former) position as head of the Human Genome Project. Despite his occasional forays into apologetics he's not a great fan of the anti-science creationist movement.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73725 Feb 4, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Beginning and end is English. Understand that!
I do. Alpha and Omega is Greek. Understand that!

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