Evolution vs. Creation

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#73685 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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"Atheism is not a philosophy; it is not even a view of the world; it is simply a refusal to deny the obvious."
-Sam Harris
--American Neuroscientist
Oh what a fundiot world we weave, when we only cut and paste to decieve...
the ENTRE speech is onlin, on youtube...etc..etc
http://www.truthdig.com/dig/item/200512_an_at...

Another epic failure to actually READ- completely! and comprehend...and you have actually college degrees?!?!? From where? Liberty U.? Bob Jones?...wow...burn them in shame.

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#73686 Feb 4, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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THANK YOU!! Finally, someone who doesn't misrepresent the works of Darwin! Stupid narcissistic atheistic pricks. The lot of em.
Except THIS reality check...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_...

Now what arrogant, fundiot douche-nozzle?!?

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#73687 Feb 4, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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OR- when read by people actually containing some intelligence, it shows the history of mankind in it's evil wickedness, and how to avoid being wicked, and E-VILE.
You mean when ATHEISTS,non-believers free-thinkers and such read a book, any book they use their INTELLECT? Yup..and hn do, we see the wickedways of Bronze-Age, Mid-East, cults...exactl how do ILLITERATE, non-Latin-speaking leity understand ANYTHING, unless the system of catechismic indoctrination wasn't implemented...do you even know anything beyond what some clergyfolk told you to believe- OR ELSE!!!!..have you ONE orioginal thought?

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#73688 Feb 4, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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I don't think either you or KK are considering the delicate balance of nature, the dependence our culture has on cheap energy or the limited amount of land available for cultivation. There will be a domino effect when demand for food combines with the price to produce food and with the price for shipping food, along with the cost of all of the other niceties of life.
The whole point is that people don't think about how our demands are running up against a brick wall of availability of resources. Personally, I think a massive economic destabilization and subsequent famine will occur within the lifetimes of many people on this forum. There's little population slowdown, and no interest in changing our lifestyles to more efficient ones where we live close to our jobs, produce what we need at home and plan for times of shortfalls.
We're shipping raw materials from all over the world to the places with the cheapest labor and the most careless consumption of fossil fuels, then shipping finished products back to cash rich places like the U.S. for the cheapest prices. We have some of the best energy reserves in the world, but it's dirty bituminous coal that will only accelerate global warming and likely cause a further loss of good farming country.
Meanwhile, our global population is increasing at the rate of a billion or so every decade. Something has to give. It probably won't start in this country, but with likely war and famine, we certainly won't be able to keep it from getting here.
I know. Just more gloom and doom prophecy, but I do understand the survivalists.
Substitute fossil fuels for religion, and survivalist for athest and you may be on to something...

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#73689 Feb 4, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Crikey!! is it still a board...does it even have keys!
I imagine glasfibers, the slightest appraoch generates about a million typos.:-))
My motherboard crashed on my favourite computer.
But i had a keypad mat, foldable and washable and a starwars mouse. Like those cars with light under. They are forbidden now.
Well the light of the mouse turned out to be quite distracting.
But a laser mouse is an option...and one can dream.
I use a cheap laptop now and have a former computerised weapon specialist do a once over every year.
The next thing i'll look for however is ventilation!
Very important.
It's such a bore to hold the vacuumcleaner to the tiny airvent to stop the thing from overheating.
The heat sink grease used on latops processors will become ineffective in about 24-months...like the battery...manf's etimate the time before you will REPLACE your laptop is before this..get some quality heat dissipating grease(thermal gel)...made with silver...it works VERY well, but you MUST install/place it correctly...I would also sugget you open the lapto and vacuum...all that crap accumulates causing quasi-insulation on parts...as well as on the fan(s) whee it creates drag,etc decreasing the efficency...of coure you should alo keep alaptop of any insulating materials like blankets, fabric, glass...and keep the rear inclined a bit...everything helps...I know this from he same experiences.

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#73690 Feb 4, 2013
Heres a quick thought why do creationist like to quote Darwin surely now his words are mostly irrelevant let me explain. Why would you quote an evolutionary biologist so bad he didn’t even know of the existence of genes? The points Darwin made that survived have been put better or added to by leaps and bounds, so why pick the worst of our lot?

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#73691 Feb 4, 2013
GatorBUILT wrote:
<quoted text>Except THIS reality check...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_...

Now what arrogant, fundiot douche-nozzle?!?
That he was human, tampon.

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#73692 Feb 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Nope, it's a laser image projected onto the table .... you tap the table over the keys. It's awesome. No board, just a small box you place in front of your hands. My fingers get sore when I type too much, so I wind up taking too many breaks with a conventional keyboard. Right now I have an Apple Aluminum, it's really light touch but still more pressure than I can handle sometimes. To be able to just tap ... and get a response .... golden.
That s technology applied from digitizers...if I told you I actualy tried to get some money for that infrared/laser technology would you believe me? I had mentioned this to my stepfather years ago while he watched me use a (GTCO)roll-up digitizer for my construction take-offs drawings, etc...the rigid digitizers utilized infrared-sensing spacial technology, not unlike a burglar alarm r garae door opener to triangulatethe position of the input device...he was fascinated by it, and I said t him....if only these fools could include a keyboard on the table, I wouldn'tave to stand up all day to input the info...grrrr...He said: Hmmm, interesting...you think that's possible?...I said: If it can sense a stylus to within .001" I think it can sense a fingers on a keyboard...h asked me to ivestigate...I looked up patents, and IBM hand patented the damn technology about 1 months prior...those BASTARDS...a couple of years ago he sent me a link to a laser projection of a keyboard sensing device...like this
http://www.brookstone.com/laser-projection-vi... BASTARDS...but I am considering the sme type of technology for small projection video to eplace monitors...wait...those BASTARDS are patenting that as well...damnitalltohell!!

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#73693 Feb 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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And despite that degree in goddidit he helped define a branch of science that has helped make clear so much and has allowed huge advances in genetics and medicine that would not have been possible without his initial insights
So did Newton with his Law of Gravity and his mysticism. So did Galileo who was a devout Catholic and known to be the Father of Science. So did Georges Lemaitre, a Catholic priest who proposed the Big Bang Theory, etc. The point is even Scientists believe in a God.

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#73694 Feb 4, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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"In his 2006 book The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief, Collins considers scientific discoveries an "opportunity to worship". In his book Collins rejects Young Earth creationism and intelligent design. His own belief is theistic evolution or evolutionary creation which he prefers to term BioLogos."
I'm not advocating anything. If he believed in theistic evolution, good for him! ;-)

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#73695 Feb 4, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Well there ya have it. At least he understood himself. Still a brilliantly passionate man. I have nothing but the utmost respect for his work.
I agree. The was a trainee to be a clergyman. I'm sure he wasn't an atheist.

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#73696 Feb 4, 2013
GatorBUILT wrote:
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Oh what a fundiot world we weave, when we only cut and paste to decieve...
the ENTRE speech is onlin, on youtube...etc..etc
http://www.truthdig.com/dig/item/200512_an_at...
Another epic failure to actually READ- completely! and comprehend...and you have actually college degrees?!?!? From where? Liberty U.? Bob Jones?...wow...burn them in shame.
Here's more:

"The entirety of atheism is contained in this response. Atheism is not a philosophy; it is not even a view of the world; it is simply a refusal to deny the obvious. Unfortunately, we live in a world in which the obvious is overlooked as a matter of principle. The obvious must be observed and re-observed and argued for. This is a thankless job. It carries with it an aura of petulance and insensitivity. It is, moreover, a job that the atheist does not want."

READ THE LAST LINE. Apparently, he is willing to admit that an atheist does not and would not want to have an explanation for God. By stating something like "deny the obvious" he's acknowledging that perhaps the concept of a God is what many thinks is the 'obvious' and that he evidently states that it should be 'observed' and 're-observed.'

I read his book The End of Faith. And most of his criticisms are against Islam religion. And people say he's a closet Buddhist. Go figure.

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#73697 Feb 4, 2013
GatorBUILT wrote:
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and you have actually college degrees?!?!? From where? Liberty U.? Bob Jones?...wow...burn them in shame.
You are a d*ckhead loser. Gator fans must be really stupid.

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#73698 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>I agree. The was a trainee to be a clergyman. I'm sure he wasn't an atheist.
I think he became agnostic later in life, but he didn't start out that way. Perhaps his work brought him to that very personal conviction. Our paths take us to many strange places.

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#73699 Feb 4, 2013
I'm officially adding his book to my reading list. Very interesting individual.

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#73700 Feb 4, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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I think he became agnostic later in life, but he didn't start out that way. Perhaps his work brought him to that very personal conviction. Our paths take us to many strange places.
He might have not been religious but I think he wasn't atheist, agnostic maybe.

"Darwin, it was believed, had simply discovered a new law of nature designed by God. And it seems this was how Darwin himself viewed at least part of the religious implications of his evolutionary theory."

Dr. Darwin has been frequently called an atheist, whereas in every one of his works distinct expressions may be found showing that he fully believed in God as the Creator of the universe. For instance, in the ‘Temple of Nature,’ published posthumously, he writes:“Perhaps all the productions of nature are in their progress to greater perfection! an idea countenanced by modern discoveries and deductions concerning the progressive formation of the solid parts of the terraqueous globe, and consonant to the dignity of the creator of all things.” He concludes one chapter in ‘Zoonomia’ with the words of the Psalmist:“The heavens declare the Glory of God, and the firmament sheweth his handiwork.”

http://publicdomainreview.org/2011/06/28/was-...

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#73701 Feb 4, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
I'm officially adding his book to my reading list. Very interesting individual.
The first occurrence is in his first book, Journal of Researches (first edition of 1839, based on his Beagle diary) now known universally as The Voyage of the Beagle referring to an excursion in Australia:

"A little time before this I had been lying on a sunny bank, and was reflecting on the strange character of the animals of this country as compared with the rest of the world. An unbeliever in every thing beyond his own reason might exclaim,“Two distinct Creators must have been at work; their object, however, has been the same, and certainly the end in each case is complete.”

Darwin next used the term in his following book on the pollination adaptations of orchids in 1862:

"This treatise affords me also an opportunity of attempting to show that the study of organic beings may be as interesting to an observer who is fully convinced that the structure of each is due to secondary laws, as to one who views every trifling detail of structure as the result of the direct interposition of the Creator."

more:

http://publicdomainreview.org/2011/06/28/was-...

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#73702 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>He might have not been religious but I think he wasn't atheist, agnostic maybe.

"Darwin, it was believed, had simply discovered a new law of nature designed by God. And it seems this was how Darwin himself viewed at least part of the religious implications of his evolutionary theory."

Dr. Darwin has been frequently called an atheist, whereas in every one of his works distinct expressions may be found showing that he fully believed in God as the Creator of the universe. For instance, in the ‘Temple of Nature,’ published posthumously, he writes:“Perhaps all the productions of nature are in their progress to greater perfection! an idea countenanced by modern discoveries and deductions concerning the progressive formation of the solid parts of the terraqueous globe, and consonant to the dignity of the creator of all things.” He concludes one chapter in ‘Zoonomia’ with the words of the Psalmist:“The heavens declare the Glory of God, and the firmament sheweth his handiwork.”

http://publicdomainreview.org/2011/06/28/was-...
Totally awesome stuff. I fail to see, like many others, how some people feel the need to exclude God from the concepts of scientific thought when they are so obviously, at least for the vast majority of us, intertwined. There's a flawless connectedness to everything that I find to be breathtakingly beautiful. This knowledge only enhances the human experience. I am not alone. I did not come from nothing nor will I return to nothing. I am a part of something much greater than myself as we are intertwined. I cannot possibly fathom how anyone could bring it upon themselves to separate the two.

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#73703 Feb 4, 2013
Dr. Darwin was his grandfather BTW. lol

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#73704 Feb 4, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Totally awesome stuff. I fail to see, like many others, how some people feel the need to exclude God from the concepts of scientific thought when they are so obviously, at least for the vast majority of us, intertwined. There's a flawless connectedness to everything that I find to be breathtakingly beautiful. This knowledge only enhances the human experience. I am not alone. I did not come from nothing nor will I return to nothing. I am a part of something much greater than myself as we are intertwined. I cannot possibly fathom how anyone could bring it upon themselves to separate the two.
I agree with you. It's really frustrating how some educated individuals do not have respect whatsoever. It really makes me sick. Apparently they don't see the beauty of everything, only the vile and evil.

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