Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216597 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#73720 Feb 4, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
A bit off-topic, but something's fishy with this:
"Lamborghini crash kills Kissimmee woman, Winter Haven man.
Tiffany Beene was treasurer of a Christian non-profit."
(Yes...Tiffany owned the Lamborghini)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/bre...
Apparently there's good money in Christian non-profits.
Yeah, saw that this morning. Not far from where I live. She was the company treasurer. Hmmm...

Not much left of the Lamborghini.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#73721 Feb 4, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
A bit off-topic, but something's fishy with this:

"Lamborghini crash kills Kissimmee woman, Winter Haven man.

Tiffany Beene was treasurer of a Christian non-profit."

(Yes...Tiffany owned the Lamborghini)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/bre...

Apparently there's good money in Christian non-profits.
OMG. My missing car!

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#73722 Feb 4, 2013
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
Heres a quick thought why do creationist like to quote Darwin surely now his words are mostly irrelevant let me explain. Why would you quote an evolutionary biologist so bad he didn’t even know of the existence of genes? The points Darwin made that survived have been put better or added to by leaps and bounds, so why pick the worst of our lot?
Because he is your science God that started the bad science movement.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#73723 Feb 4, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
I know what star it was.
You're the lost one.
Exactly. You know what it was, but all the other creationists can't agree. Which is exactly my point.

Nothing more surer than a fundie who knows more than everyone else does about their religions.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#73724 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I've got a revelation for you.
"The impossibility of conceiving that this grand and wondrous universe, with our conscious selves, arose through chance, seems to me the chief argument for &#8232;the existence of God."
- Charles Darwin
Did you Darwinist evolutionists know that he held a degree in Theology?
http://withalliamgod.wordpress.com/2010/11/29...
stop lying
I was in fact aware of that. He was also into geology too. It still has no bearing on the scientific validity of evolution.
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
"Science is...a powerful way, indeed - to study the natural world. Science is not particularly effective...in making commentary about the supernatural world. Both worlds, for me, are quite real and quite important. They are investigated in different ways. They coexist. They illuminate each other."
-Francis Collins
--American physician-geneticist and director of the National Human Genome Research Institute
Yup. And an evolutionary biologist through and through. The clue being noted in his (now former) position as head of the Human Genome Project. Despite his occasional forays into apologetics he's not a great fan of the anti-science creationist movement.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#73725 Feb 4, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Beginning and end is English. Understand that!
I do. Alpha and Omega is Greek. Understand that!

http://livesol.com/~newwzoo/wp-content/upload...
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#73726 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
"I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."
-Wernher Von Braun
--German-American rocket scientist
That's nice. Now explain how that helps in predicting the positions of astronomical phenomena.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to achieve here, especially since I've never ever argued a positive case for atheism from the start. It's only the fundies who like to caricature me that way.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#73727 Feb 4, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> No valid explanation to date.
When you have one let me know.
I did. You've never addressed it. Once you're capable let me know.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#73728 Feb 4, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>So, which one is evolving into humans?
It was already explained to you. Humans being an outcome of evolution has already happened. It is highly unlikely any other species will evolve into the same thing.

Not really sure why I'm bothering trying to explain this to you, it's kinda like trying to explain rocket science to a gerbil.
Charles Idemi wrote:
Alpha and Omega stands for the beginning and the end, it is English!
Next?
It's Greek. The Greeks own it. They said it first!

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#73729 Feb 4, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly. You know what it was, but all the other creationists can't agree. Which is exactly my point.

Nothing more surer than a fundie who knows more than everyone else does about their religions.
At least you had a point.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#73730 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
So did Newton with his Law of Gravity and his mysticism. So did Galileo who was a devout Catholic and known to be the Father of Science. So did Georges Lemaitre, a Catholic priest who proposed the Big Bang Theory, etc. The point is even Scientists believe in a God.
Not a point I've argued against. In fact I've pointed that out numerous times when calling fundies out on their mistakes.

Evolution is not atheism. Science is not atheism. Not even science fundies disagree with for religious reasons.

The theological beef is theirs, not mine.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#73731 Feb 4, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Because he is your science God that started the bad science movement.
in fact, another English scientist came up with the same theory working independently in China. when the facts there for all to see, the conclusion is inevitable...

facts and science are fun!
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#73733 Feb 4, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombie s.htm
See, vampires, werewolves and zombies DO exist....
Even the cdc are preparing us....
Oh hey there Dr Neville.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#73734 Feb 4, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Because he is your science God that started the bad science movement.
Uhuh. Knowledge bad, ignorance good - the fundie mindset.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#73735 Feb 4, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a point I've argued against. In fact I've pointed that out numerous times when calling fundies out on their mistakes.
Evolution is not atheism. Science is not atheism. Not even science fundies disagree with for religious reasons.
The theological beef is theirs, not mine.
"Theological beef"? It's probably 95% of fat and gristle and only tastes good if you r-e-a-l-l-y believe!

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#73736 Feb 4, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>in fact, another English scientist came up with the same theory working independently in China. when the facts there for all to see, the conclusion is inevitable...

facts and science are fun!
You've been gone for awhile. Welcome back.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#73737 Feb 4, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
You've been gone for awhile. Welcome back.
Thanx...still pretty much the same ol same ol on this page, huh?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#73738 Feb 4, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>"Theological beef"? It's probably 95% of fat and gristle and only tastes good if you r-e-a-l-l-y believe!
Actually, theology is an amazing science.

studying how people will try to rationalize what they know to be a lie is fascinating. even when they can be shown openly that they were lied to, they will try for years to try and twist the lie to support their cult's beliefs....

it's way better than watching rats runa maze, and they can almost feed themslelves....

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

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#73739 Feb 4, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
His answer was clear. We would not expect another animal to evolve into humans all over again. The particulars of environment and the mutations that happened to occur at the times they did will not be precisely replicated again. All creatures evolve, but there is no goal directed at producing us. Even if advanced intelligent life on earth evolves again, it would almost certainly be some different sort of intelligent creature.
This is a deformed explanation. Why are they no longer changing to human forms?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#73740 Feb 4, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>This is a deformed explanation. Why are they no longer changing to human forms?
Why are WHO not changing into human forms? other proto-humans? your question shows you don't even understand the way evolution works....

there have been several hominid species. you actually have the DNA of Neandertals, another species, in you.

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