Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221445 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#73699 Feb 4, 2013
I'm officially adding his book to my reading list. Very interesting individual.

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#73700 Feb 4, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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I think he became agnostic later in life, but he didn't start out that way. Perhaps his work brought him to that very personal conviction. Our paths take us to many strange places.
He might have not been religious but I think he wasn't atheist, agnostic maybe.

"Darwin, it was believed, had simply discovered a new law of nature designed by God. And it seems this was how Darwin himself viewed at least part of the religious implications of his evolutionary theory."

Dr. Darwin has been frequently called an atheist, whereas in every one of his works distinct expressions may be found showing that he fully believed in God as the Creator of the universe. For instance, in the ‘Temple of Nature,’ published posthumously, he writes:“Perhaps all the productions of nature are in their progress to greater perfection! an idea countenanced by modern discoveries and deductions concerning the progressive formation of the solid parts of the terraqueous globe, and consonant to the dignity of the creator of all things.” He concludes one chapter in ‘Zoonomia’ with the words of the Psalmist:“The heavens declare the Glory of God, and the firmament sheweth his handiwork.”

http://publicdomainreview.org/2011/06/28/was-...

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#73701 Feb 4, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
I'm officially adding his book to my reading list. Very interesting individual.
The first occurrence is in his first book, Journal of Researches (first edition of 1839, based on his Beagle diary) now known universally as The Voyage of the Beagle referring to an excursion in Australia:

"A little time before this I had been lying on a sunny bank, and was reflecting on the strange character of the animals of this country as compared with the rest of the world. An unbeliever in every thing beyond his own reason might exclaim,“Two distinct Creators must have been at work; their object, however, has been the same, and certainly the end in each case is complete.”

Darwin next used the term in his following book on the pollination adaptations of orchids in 1862:

"This treatise affords me also an opportunity of attempting to show that the study of organic beings may be as interesting to an observer who is fully convinced that the structure of each is due to secondary laws, as to one who views every trifling detail of structure as the result of the direct interposition of the Creator."

more:

http://publicdomainreview.org/2011/06/28/was-...

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#73702 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>He might have not been religious but I think he wasn't atheist, agnostic maybe.

"Darwin, it was believed, had simply discovered a new law of nature designed by God. And it seems this was how Darwin himself viewed at least part of the religious implications of his evolutionary theory."

Dr. Darwin has been frequently called an atheist, whereas in every one of his works distinct expressions may be found showing that he fully believed in God as the Creator of the universe. For instance, in the ‘Temple of Nature,’ published posthumously, he writes:“Perhaps all the productions of nature are in their progress to greater perfection! an idea countenanced by modern discoveries and deductions concerning the progressive formation of the solid parts of the terraqueous globe, and consonant to the dignity of the creator of all things.” He concludes one chapter in ‘Zoonomia’ with the words of the Psalmist:“The heavens declare the Glory of God, and the firmament sheweth his handiwork.”

http://publicdomainreview.org/2011/06/28/was-...
Totally awesome stuff. I fail to see, like many others, how some people feel the need to exclude God from the concepts of scientific thought when they are so obviously, at least for the vast majority of us, intertwined. There's a flawless connectedness to everything that I find to be breathtakingly beautiful. This knowledge only enhances the human experience. I am not alone. I did not come from nothing nor will I return to nothing. I am a part of something much greater than myself as we are intertwined. I cannot possibly fathom how anyone could bring it upon themselves to separate the two.

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#73703 Feb 4, 2013
Dr. Darwin was his grandfather BTW. lol

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#73704 Feb 4, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Totally awesome stuff. I fail to see, like many others, how some people feel the need to exclude God from the concepts of scientific thought when they are so obviously, at least for the vast majority of us, intertwined. There's a flawless connectedness to everything that I find to be breathtakingly beautiful. This knowledge only enhances the human experience. I am not alone. I did not come from nothing nor will I return to nothing. I am a part of something much greater than myself as we are intertwined. I cannot possibly fathom how anyone could bring it upon themselves to separate the two.
I agree with you. It's really frustrating how some educated individuals do not have respect whatsoever. It really makes me sick. Apparently they don't see the beauty of everything, only the vile and evil.

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#73705 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Dr. Darwin was his grandfather BTW. lol
I noticed. It is obvious from his writings that Charles Darwin wrestled with his faith. He understood just like we have. That science can neither prove or disprove the existence of God.

"Thus we are brought face to face with a difficulty as insoluble as is that of free will and predestination."

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#73706 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I agree with you. It's really frustrating how some educated individuals do not have respect whatsoever. It really makes me sick. Apparently they don't see the beauty of everything, only the vile and evil.
How do you come to the conclusion that someone who doesn't see things your way finds everything vile and evil?

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#73707 Feb 4, 2013
I heard a new species was found wandering the streets of D.C.. They named it homo slackass erectus. I think it resembles the skunk more than an anthropoid but I'm going by the stink emanating from behind it.

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#73708 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with you. It's really frustrating how some educated individuals do not have respect whatsoever. It really makes me sick. Apparently they don't see the beauty of everything, only the vile and evil.
Or only what they can process with their overly logical, analytical minds.

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#73709 Feb 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I agree with you. It's really frustrating how some educated individuals do not have respect whatsoever. It really makes me sick. Apparently they don't see the beauty of everything, only the vile and evil.
You are projecting. Those of us with scientific understanding see beauty in things you do not even know about or comprehend. The atomic structures, how things interact, is a very beautiful thing. Quantum mechanics is one of the most gorgeous theories on the planet, even if I don't understand it all. Evolutionary biology is poetic beyond even what Shakespeare could have imagined. Biochemistry is something that sings to you, when you understand it, and the song is something that even our greatest composers cannot hold candles to. You see science as "evil" and "vile" because it requires actual work.

As Dawkins said, there is more beauty in the world that can only been seen with the eyes of science. Paraphrased.

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#73710 Feb 4, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>No, true science is repeatable. Cretinist sites, like the ones you quote from, cannot generate repeatable experiments.

If you do not believe the claims of evolutionists you can go to the sites they list and find the fossils for yourself. You can run the DNA tests and get the same results for yourself. All of their experiments are repeatable. If they aren't it tells you something is wrong with their methodology and their conclusions are probably wrong too.

Scientists are very open about their work, once it is published. Other people testing it is the one way to verify their work. They like that. By the way, if you find that they are not right, your results better be repeatable too. The one way to debunk a debunker is to show that his experiment was faulty.
"true science is repeatable"

As in the Big Bang?
Spontaneous life?

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#73711 Feb 4, 2013
http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm

See, vampires, werewolves and zombies DO exist....

Even the cdc are preparing us....

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#73712 Feb 4, 2013
http://blogs.cdc.gov/publichealthmatters/2011...

There are all kinds of emergencies out there that we can prepare for. Take a zombie apocalypse for example. That’s right, I said z-o-m-b-i-e a-p-o-c-a-l-y-p-s-e. You may laugh now, but when it happens you’ll be happy you read this, and hey, maybe you’ll even learn a thing or two about how to prepare for a real emergency.

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#73713 Feb 4, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"true science is repeatable"
As in the Big Bang?
Spontaneous life?
The "Big Bang" is a mathematical theory, so yes, it is reproduced in computer models all the time, but it's also losing ground. It will likely become part of a better theory, eventually.

"Spontaneous life" ... if you knew how chemicals react you'd realize how silly that is. It's not spontaneous at all, just no intelligent guidance required.

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#73715 Feb 4, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"true science is repeatable"
As in the Big Bang?
Spontaneous life?
On a small scale the Big Bang is repeatable, or at least parts of it are. Check out the Casimir effect.

I assume you mean abiogenesis and yes, even that may be repeatable. It is being worked on right now in the laboratory. We do not have the same luxury of time so to reproduce some effects "cheating" must be done. Of course there are very strong rules about how you can "cheat".

But given a virgin planet under the right conditions abiogenesis should be repeatable.

Here is a question for you: Do you understand why it is a one time event for any planet?

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#73716 Feb 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>The "Big Bang" is a mathematical theory, so yes, it is reproduced in computer models all the time, but it's also losing ground. It will likely become part of a better theory, eventually.

"Spontaneous life" ... if you knew how chemicals react you'd realize how silly that is. It's not spontaneous at all, just no intelligent guidance required.
"The "Big Bang" is a mathematical theory"

Wrong

Wikipedia:
"The Big Bang is a well-tested scientific theory and is widely accepted within the scientific community"

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#73717 Feb 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You are projecting. Those of us with scientific understanding see beauty in things you do not even know about or comprehend. The atomic structures, how things interact, is a very beautiful thing. Quantum mechanics is one of the most gorgeous theories on the planet, even if I don't understand it all. Evolutionary biology is poetic beyond even what Shakespeare could have imagined. Biochemistry is something that sings to you, when you understand it, and the song is something that even our greatest composers cannot hold candles to. You see science as "evil" and "vile" because it requires actual work.
As Dawkins said, there is more beauty in the world that can only been seen with the eyes of science. Paraphrased.
Where in post I said I see Science as vile and evil? I accept Science as fact. But I also think there is a God. I know more about Science than you think I do. What I'm referring to as evil and vile are the people in this forum who resort to ad hominems, personal attacks, even questioning my knowledge and education. I have no respect for those people. They disgust me. It's why I don't like to be in these forums anymore, too much trash talking. See ya!

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#73718 Feb 4, 2013
A bit off-topic, but something's fishy with this:

"Lamborghini crash kills Kissimmee woman, Winter Haven man.

Tiffany Beene was treasurer of a Christian non-profit."

(Yes...Tiffany owned the Lamborghini)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/bre...

Apparently there's good money in Christian non-profits.

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#73719 Feb 4, 2013
Crap! The Avatar was one of the few people in here I actually enjoy talking to. Oh well. Back to trash talking the atheists.

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