Evolution vs. Creation

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73621 Feb 3, 2013
John three sixteen wrote:
Attention Creationists!
Please go over to the SDA forum Topix.. on the thread entitled "ATHEIST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS" the atheists are very annoying..they(the atheists)have invaded the SDA Christian forum..Come Help with the Debate please! Thanks a million dear Christians!!!!!! God Bless!
Ask Shubee. He's an SDA like your good self.

Just ignore the fact that he was thrown out of a fundamentalist SDA church - and given a restraining order - for being too fundie for them.

And then later demanded he be put in charge of said church.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73622 Feb 3, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Irony!
Lame theory in the name of science can never be reality.
Yeah, stupid gravity! LAME!!!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73623 Feb 3, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> No answer or clear explanations of human evolution from non humans to date, so in that regard we don't need any shit called a theory, as an answer.
Sure we do. Here ya go:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TCT...

There, that was easy wasn't it?

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#73624 Feb 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Your response doesn't even make sense in English, never mind in reasoned logical argument.
Logically speaking, you have no clue.
No valid explanation for non human to human evolution and others to date. Period.
Alien Outlaw

Kansas City, MO

#73625 Feb 3, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> In simple or basic English, the alpha and omega( the beginning and the end also known as God almighty, can never be created).
CI humans can read all the books in the world. Experience still holds all the knowledge one needs in life. What we now know books cant teach or hold between the pages. No computer has been updated that can calculate or demonstrate the ability to mathematically compute how advanced alien beings operate in a dimension humans have no knowledge about.

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#73626 Feb 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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That's Greek.
Just sayin'.
Alpha and Omega means the source( beginning) and the end of life( existence). No one fits in, in that attributes except God almighty.
phaines

Big Bear Lake, CA

#73627 Feb 3, 2013
omg give it a rest...lol

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#73628 Feb 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Yeah, stupid gravity! LAME!!!
Sir Isaac Newton propounded the law of gravitational force, he believed that there is GOD, so what is the big deal or stupidity?.

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#73629 Feb 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Sure we do. Here ya go:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TCT...
There, that was easy wasn't it?
The same apologetic sites that can not truly explain the questions at hand.
Why are the apes, worms, and other living agents not transforming again into human form?
Did it just stop by accident or what?

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#73630 Feb 3, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>CI humans can read all the books in the world. Experience still holds all the knowledge one needs in life. What we now know books cant teach or hold between the pages. No computer has been updated that can calculate or demonstrate the ability to mathematically compute how advanced alien beings operate in a dimension humans have no knowledge about.
True. That is why experience still remain the best answer.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73632 Feb 3, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
Logically speaking, you have no clue.
No valid explanation for non human to human evolution and others to date. Period.
Post just before this.
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Alpha and Omega means the source( beginning) and the end of life( existence). No one fits in, in that attributes except God almighty.
Still doesn't change the fact that it's Greek. THE ENGLISH DON'T OWN THE GREEK, CHUCKY! THE GREEKS OWN THE GREEK!! GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!

Or you just trying to get us English into debt with the Greeks to help 'em out with their current economical troubles?
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Sir Isaac Newton propounded the law of gravitational force, he believed that there is GOD, so what is the big deal or stupidity?.
That the scientific theory of gravity is lame because scientific theories are lame, just as you said.
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The same apologetic sites that can not truly explain the questions at hand.
Why are the apes, worms, and other living agents not transforming again into human form?
Did it just stop by accident or what?
Other organisms becoming human would be a violation of nested hierarchies, and would therefore falsify evolution. Evolution (as far as can be scientifically determined) is not goal directed, so there is no reason to expect other organisms to all evolve into humans. Also none of the species on Earth have stopped evolving. It's just that the changes are generally observed at a genetic level, not a drastic visual one.

“what we think we become”

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above and beyond

#73633 Feb 3, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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This might be true...but I have found there's really no need to "induce"
it in any way...It's a completely natural phenomenon.
It's more of a question of unbias awareness eliminating preconceived filters that limit perception.
not that I'm no expert on the subject...I'm strictly speaking from my own experience.
here's a Synchronicity experience for ya...I was thinking about Edgar Allan Poe The Raven, and had just brought up a picture of a crow on my computer...and almost immediately a crow, not ten feet from my window called out five times and flew away...I kid you not...just how it happened.
I might hear a crow call where I live about once a month or so, if I'm lucky...but this was way to much to be a coincidence.
Do you remember our conversation about Synchronicity?

The RAVENS win the Superbowl! That's what I call a meaningful coincidence.*wink

“what we think we become”

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#73634 Feb 3, 2013
`Prophet!' said I,`thing of evil!- prophet still, if bird or devil!
By that Heaven that bends above us - by that God we both adore -
Tell this soul with sorrow laden if, within the distant Aidenn,
It shall clasp a sainted maiden whom the angels named Lenore -
Clasp a rare and radiant maiden, whom the angels named Lenore?'
Quoth the raven,`BALTIMORE'

lol

“what we think we become”

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#73635 Feb 3, 2013

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#73636 Feb 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>None of which are evidence of invisible Jewish wizardry.

Especially the star, since you guys can't even decide on whether it was Jupiter, another star, a star/planet conjunction, Halley's comet, another comet, or whatever. The Raellians claim it was an alien spaceship. Just as valid.
I know what star it was.
You're the lost one.

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#73637 Feb 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>We call it a creationist site, not a science site.

You didn't notice?

Seriously?
Science sites are like mother goose sites.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#73638 Feb 3, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Science sites are like mother goose sites.
No, true science is repeatable. Cretinist sites, like the ones you quote from, cannot generate repeatable experiments.

If you do not believe the claims of evolutionists you can go to the sites they list and find the fossils for yourself. You can run the DNA tests and get the same results for yourself. All of their experiments are repeatable. If they aren't it tells you something is wrong with their methodology and their conclusions are probably wrong too.

Scientists are very open about their work, once it is published. Other people testing it is the one way to verify their work. They like that. By the way, if you find that they are not right, your results better be repeatable too. The one way to debunk a debunker is to show that his experiment was faulty.

“what we think we become”

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#73639 Feb 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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That's fine. Now all you need do is write a scientific paper on the subject of how Goddidit predicts the position of astronomical phenomena better than dark matter and get it peer reviewed and published. The entire astrophysics community will look forward to your revelation.
Well I've got a revelation for you.

"The impossibility of conceiving that this grand and wondrous universe, with our conscious selves, arose through chance, seems to me the chief argument for &#8232;the existence of God."

- Charles Darwin

Did you Darwinist evolutionists know that he held a degree in Theology?

http://withalliamgod.wordpress.com/2010/11/29...

stop lying

“what we think we become”

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#73640 Feb 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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They haven't discovered supernatural phenomena, period. Nature is natural, hence the word "nature". And it's pretty normal for us to be surrounded by the natural universe. If I wake up tomorrow and find that the universe is not there then I'm gonna start thinking that something pretty abnormal is going on.
<quoted text>
The simple lack of evidence and proposed mechanisms for a God.
<quoted text>
Correct. It's possible that there's a cat out there with the DNA of a cactus.
We haven't found it yet.
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No it isn't. Cat with cat DNA? Goddidit. Cat with Cactus DNA? Goddidit. How? Goddidit. Where? Goddidit. When? Goddidit.
"Science is...a powerful way, indeed - to study the natural world. Science is not particularly effective...in making commentary about the supernatural world. Both worlds, for me, are quite real and quite important. They are investigated in different ways. They coexist. They illuminate each other."

-Francis Collins

--American physician-geneticist and director of the National Human Genome Research Institute

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#73641 Feb 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Post just before this.
<quoted text>
Still doesn't change the fact that it's Greek. THE ENGLISH DON'T OWN THE GREEK, CHUCKY! THE GREEKS OWN THE GREEK!! GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!
Or you just trying to get us English into debt with the Greeks to help 'em out with their current economical troubles?
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That the scientific theory of gravity is lame because scientific theories are lame, just as you said.
<quoted text>
Other organisms becoming human would be a violation of nested hierarchies, and would therefore falsify evolution. Evolution (as far as can be scientifically determined) is not goal directed, so there is no reason to expect other organisms to all evolve into humans. Also none of the species on Earth have stopped evolving. It's just that the changes are generally observed at a genetic level, not a drastic visual one.
Beginning and end is English. Understand that!

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