Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#73581 Feb 3, 2013
John three sixteen wrote:
Attention Creationists!
Please go over to the SDA forum Topix.. on the thread entitled "ATHEIST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS" the atheists are very annoying..they(the atheists)have invaded the SDA Christian forum..Come Help with the Debate please! Thanks a million dear Christians!!!!!! God Bless!
Flies always constitute nuisance to our food and environment, but they can never venture hot food and fire. Just keep giving what God wants them to hear. Best regards.

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#73582 Feb 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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All it takes for you to lose is to point out that you play by your rules.
Trust me, your rules are the wrong rules. Look up the rules of debate.
Irony!
Lame theory in the name of science can never be reality.

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#73583 Feb 3, 2013
Clone wrote:
<quoted text>Brainwashed for sure.Its bad enought the primitive human animal believes such nonsense. Who made God?
Your name indeed!
You are a brainwashed clone that needs education. Find out the meaning of God, and you will know whether the almighty can be created.

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#73584 Feb 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Your bible is not evidence, that is your assertion. Where is the actual evidence?
We don't need shit as evidence. You have no evidence either, but just mere assertions that is subject to wild guessing.
Clone

Kansas City, MO

#73585 Feb 3, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Your name indeed!
You are a brainwashed clone that needs education. Find out the meaning of God, and you will know whether the almighty can be created.
Easy Charles, its not Rocket science. The meaning of God or why God has meaning or God has meaning, the God of many meanings.....anyway you say it its still has no meaning! Its meaningless, less meaning than any meaning..........brainwashing comes to mind!

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#73586 Feb 3, 2013
Clone wrote:
<quoted text>Easy Charles, its not Rocket science. The meaning of God or why God has meaning or God has meaning, the God of many meanings.....anyway you say it its still has no meaning! Its meaningless, less meaning than any meaning..........brainwashing comes to mind!
Any one that bears the title God, I am that i am, Elshaddai, Elohim, Nissi, Shalom, Adonai, Tsedkenu, Rapha etc, can never be created, Yahweh is his name.

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#73587 Feb 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>All it takes for you to lose is to point out that you play by your rules.

Trust me, your rules are the wrong rules. Look up the rules of debate.
I don't lose. I looked at the end of the book and we win.
Clone

Kansas City, MO

#73588 Feb 3, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Any one that bears the title God, I am that i am, Elshaddai, Elohim, Nissi, Shalom, Adonai, Tsedkenu, Rapha etc, can never be created, Yahweh is his name.
Im sorry, I dony speak Godsmack. WTF are you talking about? In plain english this time.

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#73589 Feb 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Your bible is not evidence, that is your assertion. Where is the actual evidence?
In the ruins of the of King David's kingdom, Babylon, Nazareth, The Star of Bethlehem, in the records of the Roman Empire, in the Dead Sea scrolls. And much much more.

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#73590 Feb 3, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly Lan, keep up the good works and may the almighty God be with you, amen.
Thank you Charles

You keep up the good work too.

“I see quantum effects”

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Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#73591 Feb 3, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> We don't need shit as evidence. You have no evidence either, but just mere assertions that is subject to wild guessing.
Wrong.

On all counts.
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#73592 Feb 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
Then if, metaphorically speaking, you wish to refer to nature as "God" then fair play to ya. However nature is only evidence of nature.
No. I am not referring to nature as God.

What originated "nature"?

You cannot say that "nature is only evidence of nature", for a thing will reflect the potential of the cause/source which generated it.

Hence nature would demonstrate the potential of the realities that caused nature.

Do you know that nature occurs naturally; without God or an agent?
What supernatural phenomena have they discovered that they can say nature is "natural/normal"?

With what do you compare nature with so that you know that nature is "natural" and has no need for God to cause and guide it?
The Dude wrote:
It's called common ancestry. "Goddidit" is not an explanation. It gives us a WHO, not a HOW. And does so without evidence. It doesn't actually explain anything.
You dont know that there is any common ancestry; evidence only suggests common ancestry.

Goddidit is an explanation.

What you neglect is that there are different levels of explanations; such that explaining HOW does not explain WHO.

And we do have evidence that there is a WHO; in the Character called Jesu(s).

It does explain a lot; you just dont have the heart to search for answers in it.
The Dude wrote:
Baseless.
Meaning?
The Dude wrote:
I MIGHT agree with you here, except for the fact the agent IS relevant when you SPECIFICALLY claim it exists. And you have.
Ok then.

So the agent is relevant.

What next?

“I Am No One Else”

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#73593 Feb 3, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> We don't need shit as evidence. You have no evidence either, but just mere assertions that is subject to wild guessing.
Who's "we?" I am not a scientist, but they have collected a ton of evidence to support their theories, that's why they're theories and not hunches. Next time just say you don't have any evidence, because to believe in something without having evidence to support it is delusion, and you have that in spades thus far.
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#73594 Feb 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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... dark matter can be detected, even though we don't know what it is exactly.
Right.

"...certain astronomical bodies are not where they should be...", so darkmatterdidit, right?

In times like these, your resentment of God is an insult to your own intelligence.

I know that God is a Genius, because He's sure causing you to make a fool of yourself.
The Dude wrote:
In science circles it is no longer considered a hypothesis but a scientific theory.
Fools seldom differ.*shrug*
The Dude wrote:
It IS still possible that the theory is incorrect, but in science we go with what works best. And so far no-one has been able to provide a better alternative capable of doing the job better. One example has been tried called Modified Gravity, but it simply didn't work. So until a better theory comes along they stick with dark matter.
So as absurd as darkmatterdidit might be, you will work with it because you have no better theory?

I will stick with Goddidit, because I see no better theory.
Clone

Kansas City, MO

#73595 Feb 3, 2013
God Himself wrote:
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No. I am not referring to nature as God.
What originated "nature"?
You cannot say that "nature is only evidence of nature", for a thing will reflect the potential of the cause/source which generated it.
Hence nature would demonstrate the potential of the realities that caused nature.
Do you know that nature occurs naturally; without God or an agent?
What supernatural phenomena have they discovered that they can say nature is "natural/normal"?
With what do you compare nature with so that you know that nature is "natural" and has no need for God to cause and guide it?
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You don't know that there is any common ancestry; evidence only suggests common ancestry.
God Did It is an explanation.
What you neglect is that there are different levels of explanations; such that explaining HOW does not explain WHO.
And we do have evidence that there is a WHO; in the Character called Jesus).
It does explain a lot; you just don't have the heart to search for answers in it.
<quoted text>
Meaning?
<quoted text>
Ok then.
So the agent is relevant.
What next?
Hey, God Himself....you going to show yourself someday. I mean being almighty and powerful and all. Creating all the heavens and the earth must have been exhausting? Plus, your son was killed.........Give us a date and time, you know like an appointment so all humans will see you in the flesh. Cant wait....later, God Himself!

“I Am No One Else”

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#73596 Feb 3, 2013
God Himself wrote:
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Fools seldom differ.*shrug*
Yet, your religion is all about everyone being the same. Thank you for admitting religion is for fools.

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#73597 Feb 3, 2013
Clone wrote:
<quoted text>Im sorry, I dony speak Godsmack. WTF are you talking about? In plain english this time.
" I dony speak Godsmack"

You should leave then seeing as you can't keep up.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73598 Feb 3, 2013
God Himself wrote:
No. I am not referring to nature as God.
What originated "nature"?
You cannot say that "nature is only evidence of nature", for a thing will reflect the potential of the cause/source which generated it.
Hence nature would demonstrate the potential of the realities that caused nature.
Then it is quite possible your god is also subject to such a cause.
God Himself wrote:
Do you know that nature occurs naturally; without God or an agent?
No. Do you know that it doesn't? No.

Darn.
God Himself wrote:
What supernatural phenomena have they discovered that they can say nature is "natural/normal"?
They haven't discovered supernatural phenomena, period. Nature is natural, hence the word "nature". And it's pretty normal for us to be surrounded by the natural universe. If I wake up tomorrow and find that the universe is not there then I'm gonna start thinking that something pretty abnormal is going on.
God Himself wrote:
With what do you compare nature with so that you know that nature is "natural" and has no need for God to cause and guide it?
The simple lack of evidence and proposed mechanisms for a God.
God Himself wrote:
You dont know that there is any common ancestry; evidence only suggests common ancestry.
Correct. It's possible that there's a cat out there with the DNA of a cactus.

We haven't found it yet.
God Himself wrote:
Goddidit is an explanation.
No it isn't. Cat with cat DNA? Goddidit. Cat with Cactus DNA? Goddidit. How? Goddidit. Where? Goddidit. When? Goddidit.

This is an explanation:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
God Himself wrote:
What you neglect is that there are different levels of explanations; such that explaining HOW does not explain WHO.
And what you neglect is that "how" does not necessarily require a "who".
God Himself wrote:
And we do have evidence that there is a WHO; in the Character called Jesu(s).
The existence of a hippy preacher (who may or may not have existed) still does not demonstrate the existence of a God. If Jesus could back then, I'm afraid that evidence died with him.
God Himself wrote:
It does explain a lot; you just dont have the heart to search for answers in it.
Why? Is there a defective heart condition I have that you know about and I don't? How did you determine this without subjecting me to medical examination? If I was subjected to such an examination then I demand you provide me with details of when and where this took place and what exactly those procedures were. And any minute now our resident UFO enthusiast will pop up and claim to have an explanation.

I'll let you choose whether to continue with this coy back and forth or admit you just used the appeal to emotion fallacy.
God Himself wrote:
Meaning?
You haven't demonstrated it.
God Himself wrote:
Ok then.
So the agent is relevant.
What next?
Then demonstrate it.
God Himself wrote:
Right.
"...certain astronomical bodies are not where they should be...", so darkmatterdidit, right?
And like I said, astronomers use calculations based on dark matter theory to successfully predict the status of astronimical phenomena. This is called testing a theory. Apparently it works.

I'm not an astrophysicist so if you like you can go ask one to go into more detail into how it works.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73599 Feb 3, 2013
God Himself wrote:
In times like these, your resentment of God is an insult to your own intelligence.
I know that God is a Genius, because He's sure causing you to make a fool of yourself.
So you claim. However the only thing you've given me to resent is the ignorance of creationists, not scientific evidence of a God.
God Himself wrote:
Fools seldom differ.*shrug*
But as with all scientific concepts you can only attack it via ad-hom rather than with a reasoned scientific argument. Just as we see with all other anti-science creationists on these forums.

As you say, fools seldom differ.
God Himself wrote:
So as absurd as darkmatterdidit might be, you will work with it because you have no better theory?
I will stick with Goddidit, because I see no better theory.
That's fine. Now all you need do is write a scientific paper on the subject of how Goddidit predicts the position of astronomical phenomena better than dark matter and get it peer reviewed and published. The entire astrophysics community will look forward to your revelation.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73600 Feb 3, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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In the ruins of the of King David's kingdom, Babylon, Nazareth, The Star of Bethlehem, in the records of the Roman Empire, in the Dead Sea scrolls. And much much more.
None of which are evidence of invisible Jewish wizardry.

Especially the star, since you guys can't even decide on whether it was Jupiter, another star, a star/planet conjunction, Halley's comet, another comet, or whatever. The Raellians claim it was an alien spaceship. Just as valid.

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