Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#73540 Feb 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Where is your evidence for your claim?
You already know.

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#73541 Feb 2, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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I disagree...you are assuming natural processes...and claim you make no assumptions.
Natural processes is not an assumption.
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#73542 Feb 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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For fun, let's pretend your mythology is correct ... based on your above statement your god is a total failure, since it also had to hit the reset button several times, according to your own mythology. It formulated a "plan" that required people making a mistake before even being capable of knowing they were making a mistake then your god had to wipe out all life later one because of that mistake, then your god had to come "down" here and live a mortal life for a short time only to sacrifice itself to itself for that mistake it planned in the first place.
That's a very inept god.
The Creator is not foolish, but man is inept.

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#73543 Feb 2, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
The Dude Wrote:
"Particle/anti-particle pairs have been scientifically observed to spontaneously appear in a vacuum. There is no cause."
So your implying that any time there is a vacuum, Particles/anti-particles spontaneously appear?
How many?
If a vacuum is all that's required to produce Particles/anti-particles, then any vacuum would produce an infinite number of Particles/anti-particles.(?)
and again, if this be the case, then the vacuum itself would be the cause, and the effect would be the Particles/anti-particles.
And what would be the cause of the vacuum? The absents of Particles/anti-particles, that create the vacuum.
So the law of cause and effect would still apply even under this scenario.Would it not?
Cause frameshift.(i love that answer, says anything and nothing) But since humbee i got a bit allergic to it.
(Effin forever about the bloody rockets and Einstein popularised -which gives eactly the wrong ideas-, buttons in space on elastics a.s.o. If school was like that i would be absent every day.)
Yep the Dude is right.
M space however has it's own vacuum, non occupied. So i imagine it as compressing space-time and therefore creating it. Fringe physics. If at near absolute nill=vacuum nothing much moves you can easily imagine huge amounts of vacuum.

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#73544 Feb 2, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The Creator is not foolish, but man is inept.
So now you are projecting your god's idiocy onto humanity.

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#73545 Feb 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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You already know.
If I knew the evidence, I wouldn't have asked for it. Where is your evidence? When you say something is fact you are asserting that you have the evidence and can present it when requested, so are you lying or do you have evidence?

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#73546 Feb 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Natural processes is not an assumption.
That would imply "self evident."

You said before that "nothing was self evident."

and if it's not self evident it would be and assumption, would it not?

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#73547 Feb 2, 2013
You can only speak of cause and effect if there is space-time, something to act upon and that seems to be lacking, till the little blighters move in.
So they are comparable to Schrdingers cat thought-experiment.
Mind we are talking about the physical laws that govern our universe. They might be capable of maurauding in other physical law governed realms.

Spacy enough.

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#73548 Feb 2, 2013
And don't forget to read up on entanglement.

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#73549 Feb 2, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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That would imply "self evident."
You said before that "nothing was self evident."
and if it's not self evident it would be and assumption, would it not?
No it would be a fallacy to go for that implication.
And you are adding to it.
But the mistake is yours.

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#73550 Feb 2, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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That would imply "self evident."
You said before that "nothing was self evident."
and if it's not self evident it would be and assumption, would it not?
You like reading more into everything.

It's called the simplest explanation, and thus it is the default one. Occam's Razor is the more proper name of that. It is not an assumption to begin with the simplest explanation, that's just called sanity and logic.

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#73552 Feb 2, 2013
Snark Hunter wrote:
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Actually God exists in a few cells in the right hemisphere of the brain...Temporal area....God has been recreated in the lab with electro-magnetic stimulation as well as out of body experiences.
maybe others are better judges since i'm unfamiliar with your writing style.
but you could have added: irony :P
or expanded.

otherwise you misunderstood and really thought god is a relativ epigenomic phenomena too.

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#73553 Feb 2, 2013
"This candid admission is from the evolutionist journalNature: "Darwin anticipated that microevolution would be a process of continuous and gradual change. The term macroevolution, by contrast, refers to the origin of new species and divisions of the taxonomic hierarchy above the species level, and also to the origin of complex adaptations, such as the vertebrate eye. Macroevolution posed a problem to Darwin because his principle of descent with modification predicts gradual transitions between small-scale adaptive changes in populations and these larger-scale phenomena, yet there is little evidence for such transitions in nature. Instead, the natural world is often characterized by gaps, or discontinuities. One type of gap relates to the existence of 'organs of extreme perfection', such as the eye, or morphological innovations, such as wings, both of which are found fully formed in present-day organisms without leaving evidence of how they evolved."-- Reznick, David N., Robert E. Ricklefs. 12 February 2009. Darwin's bridge between microevolution and macroevolution. Nature, Vol. 457, pp. 837-842.

Gradual change versus leaps
There are two versions of evolution theory. The main version proposes that many tiny changes over millions of years made new creatures. It is called the Modern Synthesis or Neo-Darwinian evolution.

But "major transitions in biological evolution show the same pattern of sudden emergence of diverse forms at a new level of complexity." "The principal 'types' seem to appear rapidly and fully equipped with the signature features of the respective new level of biological organization. No intermediate 'grades' or intermediate forms between different types are detectable."20

Since the fossil record does not show tiny changes between one type of creature and another, a few evolutionists proposed a modification to evolution theory. It says that change occurred by occasional leaps (punctuated equilibrium), not gradually. However, each hypothetical beneficial mutation could only make a slight change. Any more than that would be so disruptive as to cause death. So punctuated equilibrium is not really about big leaps. It envisions a lot of slight changes over thousands of years, then nothing happens for millions of years. Evolutionists say with a straight face that no fossils have been found from a leap because thousands of years is too fast in the billions of years of "geologic time" to leave any. On the other hand, without fossils there is no evidence that any leaps ever happened, and of course there is no evidence that leaps or gradual changes beyond variation are happening today in any of the millions of species that still exist.

http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

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#73554 Feb 2, 2013
Fossil record
Evolution is all about constant change, whether gradual or in leaps. Consider a cloud in the sky: it is constantly changing shape due to natural forces. It might look like, say, a rabbit now, and a few minutes later appear to be, say, a horse. In between, the whole mass is shifting about. In a few more minutes it may look like a bird. The problem for evolution is that we never see the shifting between shapes in the fossil record. All fossils are of complete animals and plants, not works in progress "under construction". That is why we can give each distinct plant or animal a name. If evolution's continuous morphing were really going on, every fossil would show change underway throughout the creature, with parts in various stages of completion. For every successful change there should be many more that lead to nothing. The whole process is random trial and error, without direction. So every plant and animal, living or fossil, should be covered inside and out with useless growths and have parts under construction. It is a grotesque image, and just what the theory of evolution really predicts. Even Charles Darwin had a glimpse of the problem in his day. He wrote in his book On the Origin of Species: "The number of intermediate varieties which have formerly existed on Earth must be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory." The more fossils that are found, the better sense we have of what lived in the past. Since Darwin's day, the number of fossils that have been collected has grown tremendously, so we now have a pretty accurate picture. The gradual morphing of one type of creature to another that evolution predicts is nowhere to be found. There should have been millions of transitional creatures if evolution were true. In the "tree of life" that evolutionists have dreamed up, gaps in the fossil record are especially huge between single-cell creatures, complex invertebrates (such as snails, jellyfish, trilobites, clams, and sponges), and what evolutionists claim were the first vertebrates, fish. In fact, there are no fossil ancestors at all for complex invertebrates or fish. That alone is fatal to the theory of evolution. The fossil record shows that evolution never happened."

http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

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#73555 Feb 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
Fossil record
Evolution is all about constant change, whether gradual or in leaps. Consider a cloud in the sky: it is constantly changing shape due to natural forces. It might look like, say, a rabbit now, and a few minutes later appear to be, say, a horse. In between, the whole mass is shifting about. In a few more minutes it may look like a bird. The problem for evolution is that we never see the shifting between shapes in the fossil record. All fossils are of complete animals and plants, not works in progress "under construction". That is why we can give each distinct plant or animal a name. If evolution's continuous morphing were really going on, every fossil would show change underway throughout the creature, with parts in various stages of completion. For every successful change there should be many more that lead to nothing. The whole process is random trial and error, without direction. So every plant and animal, living or fossil, should be covered inside and out with useless growths and have parts under construction. It is a grotesque image, and just what the theory of evolution really predicts. Even Charles Darwin had a glimpse of the problem in his day. He wrote in his book On the Origin of Species: "The number of intermediate varieties which have formerly existed on Earth must be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory." The more fossils that are found, the better sense we have of what lived in the past. Since Darwin's day, the number of fossils that have been collected has grown tremendously, so we now have a pretty accurate picture. The gradual morphing of one type of creature to another that evolution predicts is nowhere to be found. There should have been millions of transitional creatures if evolution were true. In the "tree of life" that evolutionists have dreamed up, gaps in the fossil record are especially huge between single-cell creatures, complex invertebrates (such as snails, jellyfish, trilobites, clams, and sponges), and what evolutionists claim were the first vertebrates, fish. In fact, there are no fossil ancestors at all for complex invertebrates or fish. That alone is fatal to the theory of evolution. The fossil record shows that evolution never happened."
http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html
... and now you post something that refutes itself. How quaint.

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#73556 Feb 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>If I knew the evidence, I wouldn't have asked for it. Where is your evidence? When you say something is fact you are asserting that you have the evidence and can present it when requested, so are you lying or do you have evidence?
What is wrong with you?

I can go through these threads and see many people post evidence.

Point two you should tattoo to your arm because maybe then you'll remember it.
There is no proof only evidence.

Can you understand this?

No I guess you can't I've already told you this dozens of times.

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#73557 Feb 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>... and now you post something that refutes itself. How quaint.
So you don't know how to read. Go figure.

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#73558 Feb 2, 2013
Langoliers, why don't you ever quote proper sources? If you are going to quote Darwin, provide a link to the source. If it is a creationist site you lose. We know that they are liars.

Going to a creationist site for information about evolution is the same as going to a Nazi site for information about the holocaust. Both will be just about as reliable.
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#73559 Feb 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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So you don't know how to read. Go figure.
This question scares all humans, "Can human knowledge, thecnology and theories be applied to beings of the cosmos?

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#73560 Feb 2, 2013
the only crime committed against humanity is homosexuality the decietfulness is trmenondous in that mutated gene it's traits are disintegrating the fabric of EVERYTHING

only mistake were the condoms that weren't used

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