Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216597 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#73555 Feb 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
Fossil record
Evolution is all about constant change, whether gradual or in leaps. Consider a cloud in the sky: it is constantly changing shape due to natural forces. It might look like, say, a rabbit now, and a few minutes later appear to be, say, a horse. In between, the whole mass is shifting about. In a few more minutes it may look like a bird. The problem for evolution is that we never see the shifting between shapes in the fossil record. All fossils are of complete animals and plants, not works in progress "under construction". That is why we can give each distinct plant or animal a name. If evolution's continuous morphing were really going on, every fossil would show change underway throughout the creature, with parts in various stages of completion. For every successful change there should be many more that lead to nothing. The whole process is random trial and error, without direction. So every plant and animal, living or fossil, should be covered inside and out with useless growths and have parts under construction. It is a grotesque image, and just what the theory of evolution really predicts. Even Charles Darwin had a glimpse of the problem in his day. He wrote in his book On the Origin of Species: "The number of intermediate varieties which have formerly existed on Earth must be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory." The more fossils that are found, the better sense we have of what lived in the past. Since Darwin's day, the number of fossils that have been collected has grown tremendously, so we now have a pretty accurate picture. The gradual morphing of one type of creature to another that evolution predicts is nowhere to be found. There should have been millions of transitional creatures if evolution were true. In the "tree of life" that evolutionists have dreamed up, gaps in the fossil record are especially huge between single-cell creatures, complex invertebrates (such as snails, jellyfish, trilobites, clams, and sponges), and what evolutionists claim were the first vertebrates, fish. In fact, there are no fossil ancestors at all for complex invertebrates or fish. That alone is fatal to the theory of evolution. The fossil record shows that evolution never happened."
http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html
... and now you post something that refutes itself. How quaint.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#73556 Feb 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>If I knew the evidence, I wouldn't have asked for it. Where is your evidence? When you say something is fact you are asserting that you have the evidence and can present it when requested, so are you lying or do you have evidence?
What is wrong with you?

I can go through these threads and see many people post evidence.

Point two you should tattoo to your arm because maybe then you'll remember it.
There is no proof only evidence.

Can you understand this?

No I guess you can't I've already told you this dozens of times.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#73557 Feb 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>... and now you post something that refutes itself. How quaint.
So you don't know how to read. Go figure.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#73558 Feb 2, 2013
Langoliers, why don't you ever quote proper sources? If you are going to quote Darwin, provide a link to the source. If it is a creationist site you lose. We know that they are liars.

Going to a creationist site for information about evolution is the same as going to a Nazi site for information about the holocaust. Both will be just about as reliable.
Alien Outlaw

Overland Park, KS

#73559 Feb 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
So you don't know how to read. Go figure.
This question scares all humans, "Can human knowledge, thecnology and theories be applied to beings of the cosmos?

Level 6

Since: Jan 12

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#73560 Feb 2, 2013
the only crime committed against humanity is homosexuality the decietfulness is trmenondous in that mutated gene it's traits are disintegrating the fabric of EVERYTHING

only mistake were the condoms that weren't used

““You must not lose faith ”

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Since: Jun 11

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#73561 Feb 2, 2013
Ah Langoliers those extinctions again.
It's rare to find fossils.
Ever rarer to find imprints of the softer parts.
The oldest vertebrate imprint is found (best google for it, 540 millon years as i recal.
But it would allways take some time before mayor changes would become apparent.
Darwin tested everything, but was reallyworried about f.i. viruses and their very fast evolving and mutating.

Apropos fish and genomic proof, a new tool so to say.
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/23/11/2...

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#73562 Feb 2, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Langoliers, why don't you ever quote proper sources? If you are going to quote Darwin, provide a link to the source. If it is a creationist site you lose. We know that they are liars.

Going to a creationist site for information about evolution is the same as going to a Nazi site for information about the holocaust. Both will be just about as reliable.
What do you call this?
Just forgot to read the link?

http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#73563 Feb 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you call this?
Just forgot to read the link?
http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html
I call it garbage.

Once again, you would not go to a member of the Nazi party for information on the holocaust.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#73564 Feb 2, 2013
Langoliers, creatinonist sites not only have been shown to be wrong countless times, they have been shown to be liars almost all of those times.

Therefore ANYTHING from a creationist site is automatically assumed to be wrong until proven otherwise. You have as much as admitted that you are wrong by going to such a site.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#73565 Feb 2, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Langoliers, creatinonist sites not only have been shown to be wrong countless times, they have been shown to be liars almost all of those times.

Therefore ANYTHING from a creationist site is automatically assumed to be wrong until proven otherwise. You have as much as admitted that you are wrong by going to such a site.
You play by your rules I'll play by my rules.
Tammy

Brisbane, Australia

#73566 Feb 2, 2013
Creation for sure
John three sixteen

Indian Trail, NC

#73567 Feb 2, 2013
Attention Creationists!
Please go over to the SDA forum Topix.. on the thread entitled "ATHEIST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS" the atheists are very annoying..they(the atheists)have invaded the SDA Christian forum..Come Help with the Debate please! Thanks a million dear Christians!!!!!! God Bless!

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#73568 Feb 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
You play by your rules I'll play by my rules.
All it takes for you to lose is to point out that you play by your rules.

Trust me, your rules are the wrong rules. Look up the rules of debate.

““You must not lose faith ”

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Since: Jun 11

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#73569 Feb 2, 2013
A Genomic Fossil Reveals Key Steps in Hemoglobin Loss by the Antarctic Icefishes
Thomas J. Near*, Sandra K. Parker† and H. William Detrich III†
*Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Yale University
†Department of Biology, Northeastern University
E-mail: [email protected]
Accepted July 24, 2006.
Abstract
Antarctic icefishes are the only vertebrates that do not have hemoglobin and erythrocytes in their blood. These startling phenotypes are associated in several icefish species with deletions of juvenile and adult globin loci, which in red-blooded teleosts are typically composed of tightly linked pairs of &#945;- and &#946;-globin genes. It is unknown if the loss of hemoglobin expression in icefishes was the direct result of such deletions or if other mutational events compromised globin chain synthesis prior to globin gene loss. In this study, we show that 15 of the 16 icefish species have lost the adult &#946;-globin gene but retain a truncated &#945;-globin pseudogene. Surprisingly, a phylogenetically derived icefish species, >>>Neopagetopsis ionah, possesses a complete, but nonfunctional, adult &#945;&#946;-globin complex. This cluster contains 2 distinct &#946;-globin pseudogenes whose phylogenetic origins span the entire Antarctic notothenioid radiation, consistent with an origin via introgression.
>>>> Maximum likelihood ancestral state reconstruction supports a scenario of icefish globin gene evolution that involves a single loss of the transcriptionally active adult &#945;&#946;-globin cluster prior to the diversification of the extant species in the clade.
>>>>Through lineage sorting of ancestral polymorphism, 2 types of alleles became fixed in the clade: 1) the &#945;-globin pseudogene of the majority of species and 2) the inactive &#945;&#946;-globin complex of N. ionah. We conclude that the globin pseudogene complex of N. ionah is a “genomic fossil” that reveals key intermediate steps on the pathway to loss of hemoglobin expression by all icefish species.
Key words
hemoglobin loss by icefishes genomic instability genetic introgression interspecific hybridization Channichthyidae Notothenioidei

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

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#73570 Feb 2, 2013
945 alpha
946 beta

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#73571 Feb 3, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
You play by your rules I'll play by my rules.
Hey, they're your lies.

Tell 'em how you like.
Clone

Overland Park, KS

#73572 Feb 3, 2013
Tammy wrote:
Creation for sure
Brainwashed for sure.Its bad enought the primitive human animal believes such nonsense. Who made God?

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#73573 Feb 3, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
What is wrong with you?
I can go through these threads and see many people post evidence.
Point two you should tattoo to your arm because maybe then you'll remember it.
There is no proof only evidence.
Can you understand this?
No I guess you can't I've already told you this dozens of times.
Your bible is not evidence, that is your assertion. Where is the actual evidence?

“I am an ALIEN!!!”

Level 6

Since: Dec 06

KREUZBERG...

#73574 Feb 3, 2013
Zackly wrote:
<quoted text>Have you ever heard the song "I GO WALKING IN MY SLEEP" by Billy Joell I think his name is?
Nope Ironically how ever I was at a club last night dancing the night away for this Morning I feel like I had a time of LIFE...

Don't ask how I got there,

www.youtube.com/watch...

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