Evolution vs. Creation

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anonymous

Franklin, PA

#73439 Feb 1, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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A few days ago i saw some science-program about the spread of man and deforesting in Europe, Asia and North-America.
We should have nice lush forest allover the place.
But then we found moss and dried peat. on to coal.
And instead of searching for water Aramco went for oil.(it turns out Saudi Arabia has huge underground volumes of water.
Zamzams everywhere.
And they imported soil from Island when they had all this ancient volcanic stuff lying around just about everywhere.
I noticed one poster stating that cars were fitted with filters and guzzled less gasoline. So therefore there was no problem with CO2 and warming or pollution anymore.
I wonder why some people do not think of the production process.
And the human cost of that.
Space platforms for energy production do seem inevitable, but at what cost? A microwave transmitter capable of powering our energy needs would also be a powerful weapon, and thus space would instantly become a turf war. Things never get simple, eh?

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#73440 Feb 1, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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“Learning is experience. Everything else is just information.”
&#8213; Albert Einstein
Einstein was not always 100% right

oxforddictionaries.com defines learning as
the acquisition of knowledge or skills through study, experience, or being taught

Notice the additions to Einstein’s statement “the acquisition of knowledge or skills through study,… or being taught”

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#73441 Feb 1, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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HG how did life start?
HG What was there before the Big Bang?
HG What is dark energy?
HG How can a singularity expand?
Langoliers

How did life start?
What was there before the Big Bang?
What is dark energy?
How can a singularity expand?

What??? You don’t have answers? Not surprised really

Funny thing is science is working to find answers and has hypotheses for each question you are so flummoxed by.

Whereas godbots are quite happy to rely on bronze age understanding for their knowledge

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#73442 Feb 1, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>Ah well that's what you get having a computer with speech-recognition.
Like your brain f.i.
Seriously, when i get tired i rather type to sound than to grammar.
Do a dyslexic it’s all the same anyway, word processors include spell checkers but not syntax checkers
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73443 Feb 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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You keep saying that distance between galaxies are so vast it's impossible to travel from one to another. Please expand your horizon because only your mentality is one that cannot reach beyond your personal space.
Einstein already came up with wormholes and time travel. There is already the concept of earth energy grid and portals. Open your mind. You said you're open to possibilities but your skepticism proves otherwise.
You still misunderstand, I have in fact taken these into account.

Time travel won't help very much with distance unless you have a method of traversing great distances to go with it. Wormholes may be possible, only trouble is that calculations so far show that spaghettification is an issue - we'd get squeezed to a pulp just passing through it. They're also pretty hard to find, unless black holes are wormholes at the same time but we'd die passing through it. If other civilizations have mastered interstellar travel they haven't made it here yet.

Heck, it's even possible we're completely surrounded by interstellar timetravellers. It's just they've kept it a secret.

Skepticism is not a bad thing in the face of zero evidence. But that doesn't necessarily mean I'm closed-minded to the possibilities. That's why I've even said from the start that maybe there is a god. It ain't MY fault the fundies can't come up with the goods.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73445 Feb 1, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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You can deny the obvious all you want...but when you copy processes that are more advanced than your own, you are acknowledging in action, what you deny in words.
Science in their actions, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the processes taking place in the Universe are more intelligent processes than their own, by incorporating the very same processes to advance technology.
"the proof is in the puddin'"
End of story.
I do not DENY the obvious. As it's perfectly obvious you got diddly-squat to back yourself up.(shrug)

"So what evidence do you have of God?"

"Humans make cars!"

"No, I said what evidence do you have of God?"

"Humans make computers!"

"No, no I don't wanna know what humans are making, we already have evidence of that. What I WANT is evidence of God."

"Humans make mobile phones!"

"I don't care! Gimme something God made, and the evidence for it."

"Existence, therefore God!"

"(sigh) Cheese, therefore mice!"
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73446 Feb 1, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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What are you on?
Same stuff you're on. He just thinks God is aliens.

Which is exactly the same, since there's nothing more alien than intelligent entities creating universes.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73447 Feb 1, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Ok
Yes it is a good song.
"how did life start?
God created all life
What was there before the Big Bang?
Just God and the angels.
What is dark energy?
Anti-Gravity
How can a singularity expand?
It can't therefore God had to do it with magic.
Pretty boring won't you say?
And wonderfully primitive.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#73448 Feb 1, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Crikey!! is it still a board...does it even have keys!
I imagine glasfibers, the slightest appraoch generates about a million typos.:-))
My motherboard crashed on my favourite computer.
But i had a keypad mat, foldable and washable and a starwars mouse. Like those cars with light under. They are forbidden now.
Well the light of the mouse turned out to be quite distracting.
But a laser mouse is an option...and one can dream.
I use a cheap laptop now and have a former computerised weapon specialist do a once over every year.
The next thing i'll look for however is ventilation!
Very important.
It's such a bore to hold the vacuumcleaner to the tiny airvent to stop the thing from overheating.
Nope, it's a laser image projected onto the table .... you tap the table over the keys. It's awesome. No board, just a small box you place in front of your hands. My fingers get sore when I type too much, so I wind up taking too many breaks with a conventional keyboard. Right now I have an Apple Aluminum, it's really light touch but still more pressure than I can handle sometimes. To be able to just tap ... and get a response .... golden.

Level 2

Since: Mar 09

Statesville, NC

#73449 Feb 1, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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in fact, some designers steal designs from other designers and claim that it was an original design. nothing new under the sun.
Ya mean like Xians stealing Yahweh from the Hebrews? Then having a Jew(Mark- whose gospel is awfully Kosher in detail, complete with a nice Jewish boy as the protagonist) write a 'gospel' that is parallel to Moses' story...or how the other gospels STOLE Marl's BS and did a little re-write to make it a bit LESS Kosher, but waaaaay more deogmatic...ya mean like that? Or are you talking about stealing the idea that nature is some sort of deistic entity without bounds, like - ohhhh- ancient PAGAN cults of about a 1000 different stripes?...or how The Council of Nicaea was convened so an Emperor(Constantine) could tell the bishops they need to work some pluralism- the trinity- into this Xianity thing so HE can look like a good guy to these pesky Xians once he- umm- "converts"? Or maybe how Mormons think that Joseph Smith, a scam artist, decided to create HIS religion by co-opting the same BS stories...do tell?

Level 2

Since: Mar 09

Statesville, NC

#73450 Feb 1, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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I was talking an intelligent process....if you won't even acknowledge
an obvious intelligent process...what make you think that you would acknowledge an intelligent designer?lol
Who said I woulodn't? You simply FAIL to provide ONE SHRED OF PROOF OR EVIDENCE...and if "just look around" is your evidence...as the jurist: I REJECT IT SOUNDLY! Youhave FAILED to make your case, Bozo...DO YOU GET THAT?...FAILED EPICALLY!
Just because you come from an ignorant point of view DOES NOT mean the default poisitiion id GODDIDIT! Stubborn is one thing, being a moron in denial is quite another...FAIL, FAIL, FAIL! You have FAILED to meet your burden of proof! GOT IT?!? If you don't Read this post until you do...all this from the idiot who couldn't be bnothered to READ, STUDY, COMPREHEND and RESEARCH that Nuclear Reactors UNLIKE stars use the process of fission for ebnrgy creation and NOT- I REPEAT- NOT! FUSION.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#73451 Feb 1, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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You still misunderstand, I have in fact taken these into account.
Time travel won't help very much with distance unless you have a method of traversing great distances to go with it. Wormholes may be possible, only trouble is that calculations so far show that spaghettification is an issue - we'd get squeezed to a pulp just passing through it. They're also pretty hard to find, unless black holes are wormholes at the same time but we'd die passing through it. If other civilizations have mastered interstellar travel they haven't made it here yet.
Heck, it's even possible we're completely surrounded by interstellar timetravellers. It's just they've kept it a secret.
Skepticism is not a bad thing in the face of zero evidence. But that doesn't necessarily mean I'm closed-minded to the possibilities. That's why I've even said from the start that maybe there is a god. It ain't MY fault the fundies can't come up with the goods.(shrug)
Do you believe something can be suspended in time like sleep while other things are moving in time?

Level 2

Since: Mar 09

Statesville, NC

#73452 Feb 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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You may be educated but naive. To say that there are no advanced civilizations is preposterous. There is evidence kept by the military and even President Nixon had his own encounter, as well as other notable people. What are you, covering up for the government and supporting the scientific community who receive grants? Not that there's anything wrong with that. But if these people are the ones who will dismiss or reject what I have to offer, then I wouldn't waste my effin time with these people and my precious time conversing with you.
Ahh...noooooooooooooo, clearly you failed to read- err- UNDERSTAND the post...I said clearly in typonese that YOU fail to believe that there currently may be LESS ADVANCED life forms(they would have to have been LESS advanced before they became MORE advanced, regardless of the relative measuring stick, be it Earth-bound or alien) yousimply swallow the sci-fi notion that they ALL must be more 'advanced,' actuially implying that, despite some grotesque phenotype(appeareance) their conveniently human-like brains are waaaay smarter than ours. Your conspiracy theories aside- hilarious as they are, you've shown NOTHING...reports from WHO? WHO CARES...You also fail to address to TIMESACLE problem...we have NO idea how long this space-time continuum will exist, nor do we know if we are currently even in parallel universes(see MEMBRANE or M-theory)...and if we- the SCIENCE COMMUNITY- prove it wrong we move along, frely admitting that we have failed, but we will keep trying...we won't just grabour bible or ET stuffed animal and say we quit! Georges Lemaitre- an ORDAINED Belgian priest- didn't just give up when Einstein and Fred Hoyle told him that the Steady-State theory was correct...but, THEY WERE WRONG! EInstein was WRONG about steady-state, so were Hoyle and many others...they were correct about alot(General relativity, Special Relativity, Nucleosythesis, etc, etc) the got Nobel prizes, did some of them for their work...in fact, Einstein's work IMPROVED upon that of Newton...GO FIGURE! To continue, the steady-state theory was largely disproven by actually FINDING COSMIC MICROWAVE BACKGROUND RADIATION some 40+ years AFTER it was proposed, when they did find it in 1965, the physicists didn't even realize what they had found...it's a pretty well-know story that they attirbuted their readings to pigeon crap- LITERALLY thought it was junk, noise...but not CMBR...furthermore, it wasn't until several years ago that tose findings were CONFIRMED and COMPLETELY mapped by WMAP(wilkinson Project)...don't come to an a$$-whooping with a donkey...clealry you MISS THE POINT and that is:
Hypothesize...make your predictions...get your data/observations/evidence/pro of...crunch the data and then be HONEST about the results...youi haven't even a cogent hypothesis beyond ALIENSDUNIT...which is the same trash as GODDIDIT...considering my superlative math skills(not saying much talking to you) and probability that there are 1000s of objects in the universe capable of supporting various lifeforms you can't even demonstrate that you can grasp the simple concept that if we are not alone, we may OR MAY NOT be the leader of the pack...WE may be the alien lifeform who travels to another object to show them how things are done...did ya?!? nope, you just went the lazy route and didn't even bother to give Gene Roddenberry any credit...scumbag.

http://www.panspermia.org/bacteria.htm

Yoiur aliens have been found...but, as I said, they aren't so ADVANCED in your COLOQUIAL little world.

Level 2

Since: Mar 09

Statesville, NC

#73454 Feb 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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I don't play video games, I actually don't like them, boring. I write server utilities actually, database interfaces for user-end, but mostly server-client communication utility programs. I have no fantasies either, I prefer reality to imagination, because imagination you just make things up, in reality you have a lot to learn about. You don't like doing the work, so you avoid learning and just make things up, that's the real difference between us.
GO, girly, go...put your stilleto heel right on his...well, take your pick, I'll hold him down for ya...:)

Level 2

Since: Mar 09

Statesville, NC

#73455 Feb 1, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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We have again since 2010 more shrinkage of the proton that might imply revision of the electromagnetic formulas. I think we allready reached that conclusion pondering the physics surrounding the Higgs.
I don't do wormholes nor travel backwards in time either.(By mistake i sneaked in the viral infested humbug line...still on the M and m! Though i did intend to read up i quickly left.)
But according to a French scientist, in order to reach even the closest galaxy we would have to 'burn up' earth and the moon too, if we intend to travel a bit comfortably. And yáll can't come along for the ride...or yes you do...you'll be energy too.
I concur: travelling faster than light would reakdown the structure of matter- and I mean the 4 known forces holding it all together- not just crushing into a gravitational hed singularity...ce te tate of Energy(whatever that may be) has been reached, any addion may/may not induce yet anoter cosmic sngularity event, wherein the NATURAL las are once again originated...sort of like a cosmic Mobius strip...no discernable differenes once the machinery has started, it just go on, and o, and on...perhaps bleeding of excess energy which in turn can collect, possibly leading to grouiping and parallel universes(energy states)...quite frankly, we have yet to agree, scientifically, on what energy really is...much like GRAVITY we can test it, observe its effects, even fashion an equation to describe its force(well, some of us can) yet we still CANNOT duplicate it, or even know how it actually 'ticks'...yet...I have always believed that gravity and Magnetism(the parents of electricity/EMF) are fascinating...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitoelectroma...
Pardon the typonese, but my keyboard is just junked up wth food crumbs...translation availabe free of charge;)

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#73456 Feb 1, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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I don't think either you or KK are considering the delicate balance of nature, the dependence our culture has on cheap energy or the limited amount of land available for cultivation. There will be a domino effect when demand for food combines with the price to produce food and with the price for shipping food, along with the cost of all of the other niceties of life.
The whole point is that people don't think about how our demands are running up against a brick wall of availability of resources. Personally, I think a massive economic destabilization and subsequent famine will occur within the lifetimes of many people on this forum. There's little population slowdown, and no interest in changing our lifestyles to more efficient ones where we live close to our jobs, produce what we need at home and plan for times of shortfalls.
We're shipping raw materials from all over the world to the places with the cheapest labor and the most careless consumption of fossil fuels, then shipping finished products back to cash rich places like the U.S. for the cheapest prices. We have some of the best energy reserves in the world, but it's dirty bituminous coal that will only accelerate global warming and likely cause a further loss of good farming country.
Meanwhile, our global population is increasing at the rate of a billion or so every decade. Something has to give. It probably won't start in this country, but with likely war and famine, we certainly won't be able to keep it from getting here.
I know. Just more gloom and doom prophecy, but I do understand the survivalists.
2 decades ago all the religions gathered in the vatican.
The question of sustainability, the Club of Rome's report.
Well they looked at how much good agricultural land there was (most get's build on, near rivers a.s.o silly.)
But it turned out they have 12 % of the best agricultural land and were not even aware!
It's a piece of history ofcourse, convents and almost all land belonged to the church. Till merchantkings interfered.

Level 2

Since: Mar 09

Statesville, NC

#73457 Feb 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Unless you know exactly what I'm dealing with, you have no place to judge me and accuse of such. You are wrong on so many levels. But maybe I'm crazy because I'm really a psychological and biological experiment of some sort that I didn't know about until few years ago when I developed some abilities and figured things out on my own. It could not have come from a higher source because I was under certain conditioning of the environment. Maybe it's evolution and I have a mutant gene. Do you think that makes more sense? hmm?
It would explain some fyour delusions...and BTW: the average human is born wth some 60+ mutations(older paretns conve MORE)...
http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/1536-muta...

Now what's your baseless excuse-->still ignorance?

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#73458 Feb 1, 2013
GatorBUILT wrote:
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I concur: travelling faster than light would reakdown the structure of matter- and I mean the 4 known forces holding it all together- not just crushing into a gravitational hed singularity...ce te tate of Energy(whatever that may be) has been reached, any addion may/may not induce yet anoter cosmic sngularity event, wherein the NATURAL las are once again originated...sort of like a cosmic Mobius strip...no discernable differenes once the machinery has started, it just go on, and o, and on...perhaps bleeding of excess energy which in turn can collect, possibly leading to grouiping and parallel universes(energy states)...quite frankly, we have yet to agree, scientifically, on what energy really is...much like GRAVITY we can test it, observe its effects, even fashion an equation to describe its force(well, some of us can) yet we still CANNOT duplicate it, or even know how it actually 'ticks'...yet...I have always believed that gravity and Magnetism(the parents of electricity/EMF) are fascinating...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitoelectroma...
Pardon the typonese, but my keyboard is just junked up wth food crumbs...translation availabe free of charge;)
Crumbs...cruelty i call that. To someone who speaks more languages and tries to make french of your english. 9-9 :$
Ah i'm invited to come surfing on gravitational wells.
Ah im itviend to cmoe sfnriug on gaivitonaarl wlles.

it seems that if yu still include all the letters but maintain the begin and end, someone can still read perfectly well what you state.
Conservation of energy, i'll bet. relax it's just a wave.
But hey waht would be the mechanism...even black holes have rules.

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#73459 Feb 1, 2013
Gator thanks it 's a good one to get in the swing of the thing again.
For leisure reading.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#73460 Feb 1, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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2 decades ago all the religions gathered in the vatican.
The question of sustainability, the Club of Rome's report.
Well they looked at how much good agricultural land there was (most get's build on, near rivers a.s.o silly.)
But it turned out they have 12 % of the best agricultural land and were not even aware!
It's a piece of history ofcourse, convents and almost all land belonged to the church. Till merchantkings interfered.
Club of Rome! Did my persuasive speech in college on there stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Gr...

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