Evolution vs. Creation

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“what we think we become”

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#73362 Jan 31, 2013
"human intelligence is primarily id-driven, with the superego providing a powerful id-control mechanism as well as "instant" judgment on many topics, and the rational mind helping the id execute its desires as needed. The mistaken notion that we have 1 mind, not 3 working in synchronicity (and often competing with each other) is the reason we consider the total of all that stuff swirling around in our heads as “intelligence”. And since that is what intelligence is, the thinking goes, we assume that an AI-powered droid must also have these same constituents organized in the same way in order to behave intelligently."

To claim we are the only source of intelligence is plain stupidity.

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#73363 Jan 31, 2013
Cybele wrote:
"human intelligence is primarily id-driven, with the superego providing a powerful id-control mechanism as well as "instant" judgment on many topics, and the rational mind helping the id execute its desires as needed. The mistaken notion that we have 1 mind, not 3 working in synchronicity (and often competing with each other) is the reason we consider the total of all that stuff swirling around in our heads as “intelligence”. And since that is what intelligence is, the thinking goes, we assume that an AI-powered droid must also have these same constituents organized in the same way in order to behave intelligently."
To claim we are the only source of intelligence is plain stupidity.
lol...agreed...it's sheer egotism.

One must know the limits and flaws of an instrument to come to the right conclusions...

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#73364 Jan 31, 2013
Along those same lines...a collective, subjective bias agreement,is not reality.

“I started out with nothing”

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#73365 Jan 31, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Kinda like the kid in school who copies off a smarter student in class and claims he didn't copy.lol
So that’s where you get you “intelligence”(nod, wink) from, Thanks for sharing

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#73366 Jan 31, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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So that’s where you get you “intelligence”(nod, wink) from, Thanks for sharing
“Learning is experience. Everything else is just information.”

&#8213; Albert Einstein

“I Am No One Else”

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#73367 Jan 31, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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You may be educated but naive. To say that there are no advanced civilizations is preposterous. There is evidence kept by the military and even President Nixon had his own encounter, as well as other notable people. What are you, covering up for the government and supporting the scientific community who receive grants? Not that there's anything wrong with that. But if these people are the ones who will dismiss or reject what I have to offer, then I wouldn't waste my effin time with these people and my precious time conversing with you.
Your first statement is the last straw that the uneducated and naive people hold. It means you're a failure and you know it.

The rest is nothing but conspiracy nonsense.

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#73368 Jan 31, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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You may be educated but naive. To say that there are no advanced civilizations is preposterous. There is evidence kept by the military and even President Nixon had his own encounter, as well as other notable people. What are you, covering up for the government and supporting the scientific community who receive grants? Not that there's anything wrong with that. But if these people are the ones who will dismiss or reject what I have to offer, then I wouldn't waste my effin time with these people and my precious time conversing with you.
Every thing points to advanced civilizations...pretty much a no brainer with the diversity of life present on earth.

“I Am No One Else”

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#73369 Jan 31, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Every thing points to advanced civilizations...pretty much a no brainer with the diversity of life present on earth.
So, my big toe is evidence of dragons, my pinky finger is evidence of leprechauns, and my hair is evidence that your brain is half the size of your skull.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73370 Jan 31, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Actually it's simply manipulating of 'intelligent' phenomena found in this universe.
Baseless claim, period.

I'm open to the possibility, but no-one has any evidence.
Alien Outlaw

Kansas City, MO

#73371 Jan 31, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Before we become extinct, our species will first go through a transition to the next age. It's becoming apparent with all the technology we have. Here's what I think. The first book ever published or printed was the bible. And I'm under the assumption that these inner circle, who influenced the writing of the bible, knew the power of language. Ever heard of Bibliomancy? They were careful of what they had to print. So they provided moral teachings on the level that people would understand and follow but on a deeper level, there are other meanings attached to the scriptures. They knew this power would affect the lives of people. It was sort of a moral responsibility, if that was God's intention.
But now we're in the information age, we have the internet replacing newspapers, magazines and books. We don't have to let just one ancient book affect our lives. There are tons of information out there fact or fiction. We can learn about ancient wisdom, secret knowledge, gnosticism, from other sources. Whatever means of information one has access to, it will affect one's life the same manner the first book ever printed provided to the people in the old times. People should have the freedom to read and acquire knowledge whatever pleases them any way they want. Whatever rocks your boat. lol
Im alans shadow. Of course, its all guess work or exaggerated stories.Thunders Gods, Valcano Gods and Earthguakes Gods became real in the minds of men. Powerful forces able to frighten and enhance the God mystery. It all formed into a Book that has been changed over the course of history. Now, telescopes can see beyond human imagination. Whats out there? Who is out there..........The God story makes the mind stop thinking about other possibilities of human existance. Just knowing that other earthlike planets exist is exciting. Humans need to understand....we are not alone.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73372 Jan 31, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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I was talking an intelligent process....if you won't even acknowledge
an obvious intelligent process...what make you think that you would acknowledge an intelligent designer?lol
Simple. Just provide objectively verifiable scientific evidence. This should be the easiest thing in the world if the evidence is so "obvious".

Every time I've asked though you always tell me about what humans are building instead.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73373 Jan 31, 2013
Cybele wrote:
To claim we are the only source of intelligence is plain stupidity.
Yup.

However to claim the Earth is the only source of intelligence observed SO FAR, isn't.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73374 Jan 31, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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lol...agreed...it's sheer egotism.
... as opposed to the humility of assuming the **entire universe** was made especially for us.
xxxooxxx wrote:
One must know the limits and flaws of an instrument to come to the right conclusions...
Yup. Creationists tend to ignore this advice completely however.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73375 Jan 31, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
Along those same lines...a collective, subjective bias agreement,is not reality.
Indeed. Which is why creationism is pure bollox.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#73376 Jan 31, 2013
God and the angels and mankind are the advanced intelligence.

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#73377 Jan 31, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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So, my big toe is evidence of dragons, my pinky finger is evidence of leprechauns, and my hair is evidence that your brain is half the size of your skull.
lol...whatever.

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#73378 Jan 31, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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lol...whatever.
I based all that on the same quality of evidence you have, so it's as true as your assertion.

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#73379 Jan 31, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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... as opposed to the humility of assuming the **entire universe** was made especially for us.
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Yup. Creationists tend to ignore this advice completely however.
assuming the **entire universe** was made especially for us.

and your the one who claims that without evidence that it's invalid.tsk...tsk

Doing a little flip flopping are we....lol

If you can't show no proof of aliens, then it's true until proven otherwise...(by your standards)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73380 Jan 31, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
God and the angels and mankind are the advanced intelligence.
Nah. Mankind has creationists. Angels fall. And God made creationists. Along with evil talking lizards to trick them into pishing God off.

Sorry. There is no intelligence there.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73381 Jan 31, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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assuming the **entire universe** was made especially for us.
and your the one who claims that without evidence that it's invalid.tsk...tsk
Doing a little flip flopping are we....lol
If you can't show no proof of aliens, then it's true until proven otherwise...(by your standards)
Not by my standards at all. If you've ever read my posts on the subject of aliens in the past you would already know that there is currently no evidence of extra-terrestrial life. But then the amount of space we've searched probably isn't even equivalent to that of an ant exploring the entire Earth and only travelled 1mm from its nest.

So what we can say is that it is reasonable, given the size of the universe, that if life is here there's no reason why it cannot exist elsewhere in the universe. And both the facts that the universe being so vast and that we've found that organic compounds can and do occur naturally in space helps bolster that case.

The only problem is that the universe could be teeming with life, even advanced civilizations. But we would never find evidence because of the numerous obstacles caused by vast distances.

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