Evolution vs. Creation

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73257 Jan 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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You can ask Ray, the author.
http://edge.org/memberbio/ray_kurzweil
Only less than 1 gig of info can be stored encoded in human genome. But because of redundancies in DNA, actual information content is less.
Uh-oh! Don't tell the fundies that one, they might have you crucified.

:-O
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73258 Jan 30, 2013
GatorBUILT wrote:
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Even some fundiots say you're wrong...
http://www.oldearth.org/grandcanyon.htm
Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeexxxxxxxxxxxxxx ttttttt, please...
Yup. The ONLY reason the river would have to flow UP-hill would be is if the Earth was only 6,000 years old. But since science refutes YECism it's dishonest of them to make that claim. Yet again creo's break the 9th Commandment.

Then bozos like Lango repeat the argument without even understanding it.

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

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#73259 Jan 30, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Well, if I bump in to Ray, I'll have to ask. Ray's a bright guy but not always correct. I'd like to know how the 'less than 1 gig' figure came from in a genome with about 3.2 billion base pairs. Especially when DNA would seem to be comparable to a quaternary number system rather than binary.
I think he's right. As I found the same info from another source. Although I think he meant bits instead of bytes when he said he found trillions bytes of information that characterize the brain. That's super-duper large! lol

"The human genome has around 3 billion base pairs, each of which stores two bits (to indicate one of four bases). That's 6 billion bits, or about 3/4 of a gigabyte."
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73260 Jan 30, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Well, if I bump in to Ray, I'll have to ask. Ray's a bright guy but not always correct. I'd like to know how the 'less than 1 gig' figure came from in a genome with about 3.2 billion base pairs. Especially when DNA would seem to be comparable to a quaternary number system rather than binary.
Yeah, not sure how computer gigabytes would translate when comparing biological DNA bases. Maybe this'd help?

http://www.matisse.net/bitcalc/

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#73261 Jan 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Man, somebody should really show this to Buck.
LOL. Washington's on a Buck.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73262 Jan 30, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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What are my rules that I put on God?
Or is this just dribble from a pissed off atheist?
Pished off? Boy, you misunderstand me Lango. Fundies provide mirth.

And what atheist are you referring to?

The rules, my dear Lango, that you place on God are those where it MUST line up with your particular ideas about God, which mostly have their roots in a semi-literalistic reading of the Bible.

In short, just because you claim God MUST have created Adam and Eve 6,000 years ago, God itself is not necessarily limited to your little old book written by a bunch of ancient ignorant superstitious goat-herders.

Since: Apr 12

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#73263 Jan 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>What gravity? How can there be gravity before the universe developed mass? And remind me again why you're attempting to lecture me about the laws of physics when your position involves magical wizards?
"It is difficult enough to imagine a time, roughly 13.7 billion years ago, when the entire universe existed as a singularity. According to the big bang theory, one of the main contenders vying to explain how the universe came to be, all the matter in the cosmos -- all of space itself -- existed in a form smaller than a subatomic particle."

That gravity! The gravity of the entire universe.

Level 2

Since: Mar 09

Statesville, NC

#73264 Jan 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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You can ask Ray, the author.
http://edge.org/memberbio/ray_kurzweil
Only less than 1 gig of info can be stored encoded in human genome. But because of redundancies in DNA, actual information content is less.
But accdg to Ray, the brain can store more info than that! trillions...compared to 6 billion bits.
"I come up with thousands of trillions of bytes of information to characterize what's in a brain, which is millions of times greater than what is in the genome."
WHOA...had I not been so quick I'd have actually scolded YOU as the idiot...

Here is a nice discussion...http://news.ycomb inator.com/item?id=1611007

Since: Apr 12

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#73265 Jan 30, 2013
GatorBUILT wrote:
<quoted text>We've been laughing at fundiots for a LONG time, junior...try unpluggin your ears and opening your eyes...the spittle has been flying over your head for YEARS...

Deflection will get you know where...
I'll be laughing at you for a lot longer.

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#73266 Jan 30, 2013
GatorBUILT wrote:
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How does the size of a KNOWN, finite entity- DNA- have anything to do with a growing organ? Apples and oranges...red herring...straw man...all of these...that's like saying how can my software program of 500kb create files which are Megabytes in size...or like saying how can one little sperm and egg with 1 million, discrete but-soon to-die-off cells create something that replaces some 6 billion cells every day? Your conflating the two...tsk tsk...your brain doesn't harness DNA to store it's information...the DNA provides the PLANS to BUILD the PARTS that do the "data housing"...same as when I design something on my computer...I may create a CAD file that is say 5MB...but it may be for a comuter memeory component that can store 5 terabytes...stop conflating the two, they are COMLPETELY different monsters...I mean one cell has DNA(your millions of bits) and we lose millions everyday...your math is bad, your science is bad, your theory has failed and Ray whoever is an idiot...tell him I said so...
And you're right? CAD is a different monster than say AI machine or robot. CAD is just 2-dimensional. lol

Ray has a point when comparing his apples to oranges. Why because it can shed light to how much computer data is needed to simulate someone with a half-brain.

Since: Apr 12

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#73267 Jan 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>If necessary. Not that it matters to fundies. They ask for the science, they get the science, then they say the science is still wrong.

They just can't say why.
Then when you ask a question do not get upset if we quote our web sites.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

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#73268 Jan 30, 2013
GatorBUILT wrote:
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WHOA...had I not been so quick I'd have actually scolded YOU as the idiot...
Here is a nice discussion...http://news.ycomb inator.com/item?id=1611007
And you are the blithering one.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#73269 Jan 30, 2013
The American alligators are numerous and live among human inhabitation. Most states have strict laws against killing gators without a license or without cause. You should check your state laws before killing an alligator.

http://howtokillthings.com/how-to-kill-alliga...

Level 2

Since: Mar 09

Statesville, NC

#73270 Jan 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I don't think they're specifically talking about fission of uranium.
How Nuclear Fusion Reactors Work
Fusion reactors have been getting a lot of press recently because they offer some major advantages over other power sources. They will use abundant sources of fuel, they will not leak radiation above normal background levels and they will produce less radioactive waste than current fission reactors.
Fusion reactors are now in experimental stages at several laboratories in the United States and around the world.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/fusion-react...
So technically, nuclear fusion is possible.
No $shit...that's how stars give off light...Langoliers is the moron who claimed that they create energy in the same manner...DEAD WRONG...CURRENT VIABLE nuclear reactors-> FISSION...stars->FUSION...d o you not remember the COLD FUSION hoax many years back...cold fusion is the holy grail of energy...he whom can master cold fusion will own the world...currently all of the labs have been UNABLE to create a viable FUSION reaction that generates MORE energy output than the input required...until this is done, we will use fission reactors...I am hopeful, as an engineer, we will meet the challenge someday...but the point is the Lango simply got it DEAD WRONG...period!

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

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#73271 Jan 30, 2013
GatorBUILT wrote:
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No $shit...that's how stars give off light...Langoliers is the moron who claimed that they create energy in the same manner...DEAD WRONG...CURRENT VIABLE nuclear reactors-> FISSION...stars->FUSION...d o you not remember the COLD FUSION hoax many years back...cold fusion is the holy grail of energy...he whom can master cold fusion will own the world...currently all of the labs have been UNABLE to create a viable FUSION reaction that generates MORE energy output than the input required...until this is done, we will use fission reactors...I am hopeful, as an engineer, we will meet the challenge someday...but the point is the Lango simply got it DEAD WRONG...period!
The idea was that fusion or fission is a product of some intelligence. Just like how intelligence of Engineers are needed to create a blueprint for their work by using CorelDraw, AutoCAD, etc.

But okay, you were arguing about something and missing the point.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#73272 Jan 30, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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He does find a way to communicate though.
So how do you know the stars are intelligent?
Well, they don't half make beautiful art: http://www.google.com/imgres...

Beta Lyrae, AKA Sheliak.

Since: Apr 12

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#73273 Jan 30, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>WTF? Are you serious?

The galaxy appears young because the light started towards us 13.3 billion years ago when it WAS young.
But you miss the point. It's 13.3 billion "LIGHT YEARS" away. The expansion of the universe is said to be speeding up and yet today it's still noway near the speed of light.

D O Y O U U N D E R S T A N D ?

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#73274 Jan 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Hawking thinks creationism is BS and accepts evolution. In fact I'm pretty sure he's a signatory of Project Steve.
So? That pretty far off topic.

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Since: Mar 09

Statesville, NC

#73275 Jan 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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And you're right? CAD is a different monster than say AI machine or robot. CAD is just 2-dimensional. lol
Ray has a point when comparing his apples to oranges. Why because it can shed light to how much computer data is needed to simulate someone with a half-brain.
HIS OPINION...not science...and your brain reqwuires 100% of it to be utilized...you may not NEED certain parts for certain things(your brain keeps you breathing while you do math, for example, but is that part of the brain NECESSARY for the math?) and of curse, the actuall run-time envirnment needs to also be simulated...a 'WORKING BRAIN' may not be able to do anything useful, say like a newborn infant...it needs development, which reuires both time and GROWTH, and likely feedback for correction, etc...

Computers are dimensionless as far as space, they can represent (practically)anything VIRTUALLY(given the appropriate software)..it's why I can design anything from a computer-chip to a space ship, as my computer and software are capable of calcualtions to several digits on both sides of the decimal point...in fact, given enough memory one could design ALL of the spaceship, launch apparatus and the computer chips which they are comprised...I certainly hope you're not implying that CAD only generates 2D output...I have MANY programs which are 2D,2.5D and 3D modelers...as well as 3D printing capable...computers are number crunchers...that's it...what is done with those numbers makes your output different(video, audio, printouts, 3d models, mass data storage, etc, etc)but the information behind all of them is the same(1 and 0s)so clarify your 2-dimensional comment...I design in 2, 2.5 and 3D, and can generate(via 3d printing) an actual model you can hold in your hand...not to mention the same 3d 'printing' process is how computer chips are MANUFACTURED...I hgighly doubt you could even argue Kurzweil's point in proper context...

Since: Apr 12

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#73276 Jan 30, 2013
GatorBUILT wrote:
<quoted text>He did for yars...and to make light of his disease thagt YOUR GOD CANNOT DESTROY seems a bit short-sighted...of course he says more in silence than your bible says...go figure...are you really this childish to compare a CONFIRMED genius with ALS(who was supposed to be dead 25 years ago) with ANYTHING...you have no excuse for being an idiot...MR HAwking, despite his limitations on self-verbalized communication is unquestionably one of the great minds of our generation...yet your god is helpless tocure a little disease...hmmm...I;ll have to kick a nun in the teeth today, I guess...
Missed the point. Jeeeezee what's with you guys.

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