Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#73206 Jan 30, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>The writer of the article (NOT the scientist) was likely under the same misunderstanding as to radiometric dating that you are that EVERY such dating is "Carbon Dating".

In fact, there are (as previously stated) over 40 different methods used for different time periods.
Yes I like the scientific dating method used that the bones found with pottery is dated by the pottery and the pottery is dated by the bones found with it.

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#73207 Jan 30, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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intelligent does not mean the ability to talk. Steven Hawking can't talk on his own.
He can still communicate can't he dummy.

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#73208 Jan 30, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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He does find a way to communicate though.
So how do you know the stars are intelligent?
Still not reading down far enough before I respond. Beat me to the punch again Mike.

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#73209 Jan 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>You really are an idiot. Bone is a biological material, so is feces, so is saliva. You need to learn English.
Debunked.

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#73210 Jan 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Because hereditary material is carbon based, duh.
Debunking.... Run for it.

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Statesville, NC

#73211 Jan 30, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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"experiment was shut down out of fear of and pressure from religious groups"
Sounds like a very simple process to facilitate...and to claim that making a very simple single cell organism in a science lab in some university or laboratory somewhere would all be shut down and abandoned and never tried again because of religious groups twenty years ago is quite unbelievable...
link please.
Actually, this is the experiment some 60+ years ago...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93U...

And for some light reading, here is the man who FIRST promoted the Primodrial Atom theory...Georges Lemaitre(that's Goerge Le-Met in Englishese) who was- drum roll, please- AN ORDAINED CATHOLIC PRIEST, and a contemporary of Einstein...actually Lemaitre SHOWED Einstein how the STEADY-STATE THEORY(of Fred Hoyle fame) was WRONG...I suppose you'd tell a bona fide priest/physicist his business about physics and religion, eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%...

You see, when you have FORMAL educartion, like me, you have this great ability to actually LEARN from people...sometimes even GENIUSES...sometimes even RELGIOUS GENIUSES whom are honorable enough to place knowledge and its dissemination above lying...I suggest you learn something from someone for ONCE in your life...careful...it's intoxicating...bet you'll never climb back up the slipperry slope to fantasy world.

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Statesville, NC

#73212 Jan 30, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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At what point does carbon dating break down?
And how would you really know if it did or didn't?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dati...

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#73213 Jan 30, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I finally realized who you mean when you are talking about KK. I thought it was a klan reference. It just seemed like a natural connection.
My apologies to Kitten for any comments made based on that error.
It's okay, I actually prefer people not use KK to refer to my nickname online anyway, because it's downright confusing in many ways. It's also a common chat term for Okay ... started from some other country or something. Too many meanings makes things too complex. I sort of figured there was some miscommunication there from the start and waited for it to sort itself out.

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#73214 Jan 30, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Debunked.
Erm ... what? You're saying that bone, saliva, and feces are not biological material? Erm ... just ... wow, are you 9 months old?

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#73215 Jan 30, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Debunking.... Run for it.
Okay, so if life on Earth is not carbon based, what is it based on?

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#73216 Jan 30, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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So how do you know the stars are intelligent?
They never said it was. It was the force behind it that could've possessed intelligence.

Universal Intelligence - wiki

The universe has been set up exquisitely enough to have intelligence. There are intelligent entities like ourselves that can contemplate the universe and develop models about it, which is interesting. Intelligence is, in fact, a powerful force and we can see that its power is going to grow not linearly but exponentially, and will ultimately be powerful enough to change the destiny of the universe.

It would be a mistake to say that the brain only has a few simple ideas and that once we can understand them we can build a very simple machine. But although there is a lot of complexity to the brain, it's also not vast complexity. It is described by a genome that doesn't have that much information in it. There are about 800 million bytes in the uncompressed genome. We need to consider redundancies in the DNA, as some sequences are repeated hundreds of thousands of times. By applying routine data compression, you can compress this information at a ratio of about 30 to 1, giving you about 23 million bytes which is smaller than Microsoft Word to describe the initial conditions of the brain.

But the brain has a lot more information than that. You can argue about the exact number, but I come up with thousands of trillions of bytes of information to characterize what's in a brain, which is millions of times greater than what is in the genome. How can that be? Marvin talked about how the methods from computer science are important for understanding how the brain works. We know from computer science that we can very easily create programs of considerable complexity from a small starting condition. You can, with a very small program, create a genetic algorithm that simulates some simple evolutionary process and create something of far greater complexity than itself.

You can use a random function within the program, which ultimately creates not just randomness, but is creating some meaningful information after the initial random conditions are evolved using a self-organizing method, resulting in information that's far greater than the initial conditions.

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/kurzweil02/ku...

Do you think we are alone in the universe?

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#73217 Jan 30, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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LOL!!!!!!!!
You can't make this SH:T up!!!
Okay, some supporters of evolution make crap up. Millions of Christians make things up about Christianity, does that make Christianity false?

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#73219 Jan 30, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Yes I like the scientific dating method used that the bones found with pottery is dated by the pottery and the pottery is dated by the bones found with it.
You can't win a debate with such obvious straw man arguments.

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#73220 Jan 30, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The word of God says it came about by the dividing of the waters. This is how the other elements were seperated from what was water to begin with and the dry part became solid earth. This is how it happened and the Bible tells us about it.
Here's what SCIENCE says:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleosynthesis

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_nucleosy...

BTW: FRed Hoyle was a Christian...not for nothin'...

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#73221 Jan 30, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>There is piles of evidence, from the cosmic microwave background radiation, to the red shift, to observations of galaxies billions of light years away (essentially looking at them as they were more than 10 billion years ago, because that is how long it took for their light to reach us).

These were the EVIDENCE that led scientists to accept the Big Bang, a theory that was not popular until observation confirmed its predictions. And we can now add inflation to that, as an event that occurred just after the big bang itself.
"The galaxy MACS0647-JD (inset) appears very young and is only a fraction of the size of our own Milky Way. The galaxy is about 13.3 billion light-years from Earth, the farthest galaxy yet known, and formed 420 million years after the Big Bang. Image taken by Hubble Space Telescope on Nov. 29, 2011, and released Nov. 15, 2012.
CREDIT: NASA, ESA, and M. Postman and D. Coe (STScI) and CLASH Team "

This alone is proof that science has the age of this stuff all wrong.

Science claims the universe 13.7 billion years old. This galaxy is 13.3 billion "LIGHT YEARS" away from earth.
The expansion of the universe is speeding up. Yet it is nowhere near the speed of light. This proves that the years and distances just don't add up.
Either that Galaxy is not 13.3 billion "LIGHT YEARS" away or the universe is much older.

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#73222 Jan 30, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Still not reading down far enough before I respond. Beat me to the punch again Mike.
It happens to me all the time. Especially on a Monday.

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Statesville, NC

#73223 Jan 30, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>You still don't understand that the earth was purposefully assembled by the Creator and his word said water was involved in the very beginning.
Sure we do...you just fail to understand that it is WRONG...despite your assertions, arm-flapping, foot-stomping, bible quoting, childish refusals to read anything applicable, your complete lack of intellect on the subject matter, nor tear-filled appeals won't change that...no matter, science still moves along...we win, you lose...

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Statesville, NC

#73224 Jan 30, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>No man knows not even the angels in heaven, only the Creator knows that.
Ya got nothing, do ya?!? You're floundering SLAVE...finally have to appeal to the old crying tactic...no matter... science wins, religion loses when it comes to intellect,progress, reliability and HONESTY...your posts prove this...you have failed epically

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#73225 Jan 30, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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I said I don't care about the politics...politics and facts might be the same to you...but there's a world of difference.
Science taught with political bias, to support the ideology of science is not true science.
Well sure...because plugging your ears, covering your eyes and whistling by the library's non-fiction section has gotten you what exactly...2000 year old knowledge...way to go...gonna stone anybody anytime soon?!?LMFAOLOLOL

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#73226 Jan 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Erm .... what? "The Earth was formed from water?" No, if it was then what are we standing on?
You really are clueless.

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