Evolution vs. Creation

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#73168 Jan 30, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Interesting. Sounds exactly like abiogenesis.
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What?
That's right. You read it. There's math in everything! Anything can be explained with mathematical formulas. In my world, at least. You're in my world now, so I can calculate you if you want. lol
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73169 Jan 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Someone here will point out the watchmaker fallacy on your argument, watch.
While their is genius in LOGIC and how we distinguish arguments as FALLACIES, there is even one greater genius...GOD. Because if there is really a God, he is truly undetected, unseen, untouched, unimagined (well, it depends on how wild imaginations of some people are. lol), or unexplained. This could make a really awesome detective movie or novel. No one will ever catch that criminal. lol
Bingo. And that's precisely the problem. People like xo have accused God of being guilty of various acts, but refuse to present the court with evidence. Then they complain when the case is dismissed.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73170 Jan 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Not happy. You just ruined my appetite. I was craving for some KFC ;-)
Careful. Some of them little chickies might bite back!

:-p

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#73171 Jan 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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There was none. That the Schweizer piece? Yup, no DNA. What they found was dried collagen, not DNA. Collagen is a very stable protein, and they hypothesize it survived due to being dried out and hermetically sealed, protected from the elements. And as pointed out the proteins were very similar to what we find in modern birds, thus helping confirm the dino-bird hypothesis.
Unfortunately a few popular news sites, as well as many lying creationists keep repeating the claim that they found DNA. This is not actually the case.
Not that it would have any bearing on the validity of common ancestry, the claims made by creo's are about the age of the Earth issue.
I thought that news article has been refuted? Kong provided the link. How would collagen be well preserved for more than 6.8 million years? You now have a case to solve. lol

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#73172 Jan 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Bingo. And that's precisely the problem. People like xo have accused God of being guilty of various acts, but refuse to present the court with evidence. Then they complain when the case is dismissed.
And do you think you could make a good judge? No DNA evidence, never guilty. lol

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#73173 Jan 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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That's right. You read it. There's math in everything! Anything can be explained with mathematical formulas. In my world, at least. You're in my world now, so I can calculate you if you want. lol
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." - Albert Einstein

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#73174 Jan 30, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." - Albert Einstein
Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas.~Albert Einstein

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#73175 Jan 30, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>Pardon me. I meant to specify the Bible verse ***POST FLOOD*** where said actions ("mountains up, ocean floors down") is specified.

You **DO** realize that if all those forces happened within a month or so after a cataclysmic flood as described in Genesis, that the entire surface of the earth would likely still be in a molten state, and the oceans of the earth would have long since evaporated, and there would be no life on earth.....right?
"You **DO** realize that if all those forces happened within a month or so after a cataclysmic flood as described in Genesis, that the entire surface of the earth would likely still be in a molten "

I find it funny that atheist put rules like this on God.

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#73176 Jan 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>After? I thought it was during the singularity. Either way, it MAY be testable once cosmologists have a working theory of quantum gravity.

Unlike the possibility of invisible magic Jews. Funnily enough you don't give a crud about science as long as that gets through.

Langoliers wrote, "Most of the water from the flood came from the fountains of the deep. And only when God ended the flood did he raise up the mountains and lower the ocean floors. Try and keep up."

We can test for that. For example, if we have any life on Earth at all post flood era, then the flood has been falsified.

Of course we can't falsify the bit where the idea is rescued by invisible Jewish magic.

Langoliers wrote, ""The scribes just fell asleep during that part and it didn't get included along with dinosaurs, "
Now try and understand that the word dinosaurs is a word that was invented recently. The Bible does describe them however under other names "Behemoth" and "Dragons". Rather funny the Bible describing your dinosaurs thousands of years before the first bones were found. "

Funny how the "descriptions" were so vague they can mean whatever you like post-hoc.(shrug)
Ask KK about the delay in the laws of physics I believe it was her that told me about it.

Because as you know if there was no time out for the laws of physics there would be noway the singularity could have never over came all the gravity of the whole universe.

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#73177 Jan 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Okay, you're right, I admit it - I AM A MEMBER OF THE CULT OF GRAVITY!!!
I knew it!

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#73178 Jan 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Careful. Some of them little chickies might bite back!
:-p
Hmm.

Chikins wif raptor teef.

That might be cause for concern...

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#73179 Jan 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Wow.

You really did it.

You actually referenced Conservapedia.
Do you reference science web sites?

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#73180 Jan 30, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>We were discussing increases and decreases - not static numbers. At any rate, this would *still* show an increase over Gallups initial 1% figure.
These numbers show a decrees compared to these old survey numbers.
These current numbers show atheist at 2.04%

A survey published in the 2005 Encyclopedia Britannica stated that 2.3% of the world's population consists of individuals who profess "atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious." In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2005 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."

Wikipedia:

"Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population.[citation needed] It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not"

Wikipedia :

"2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic)"

Wikipedia :

"According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population"

"In 2007, a Pew Forum survey found that the atheist population in the United States was 1.6% of the American population."

"Global atheism is shrinking and demographic changes in the United States and the world are expected to shrink the influence of American secularism.

In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.
In 2011, the American Spectator declared concerning research published in the International Bulletin of

Missionary Research:
The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding."

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#73181 Jan 30, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Science even has mythology...as well as cults...Star trek is just one example of science mythology.
a horse by any other name ...
Ummm...that's be Science FICTION, dummbass...thanks for playing...care to address the FICTION of the bible? Nah...why let the facts get in the way, right?!?! MOVE ALONG, fool...grown-ups are here now...

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#73182 Jan 30, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2005 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."
Buddha FTW!

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#73183 Jan 30, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"You **DO** realize that if all those forces happened within a month or so after a cataclysmic flood as described in Genesis, that the entire surface of the earth would likely still be in a molten "
I find it funny that atheist put rules like this on God.
I find you funny. Your assumptions. Funny. Your knowledge of the Bible. Funny. Your knowledge of science. Funny. Your arrogant position that anyone against you is an atheist. Funny.

You are just a fun gi.

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#73184 Jan 30, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Ask KK about the delay in the laws of physics I believe it was her that told me about it.
Because as you know if there was no time out for the laws of physics there would be noway the singularity could have never over came all the gravity of the whole universe.
I finally realized who you mean when you are talking about KK. I thought it was a klan reference. It just seemed like a natural connection.

My apologies to Kitten for any comments made based on that error.

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#73185 Jan 30, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"And thee are 1000s of Far East(Chinese) depictions of DRAGONS on lots of royal/civilain pieces"
Yes I know. And we have museum full of their bones.
"All new atheist population around the world!
"Atheism losing adherents in terms of the global population
The 2004 to 2007 publicity campaign for atheism in the Western World was not sustainable. The level of public interest in atheism is not coming back in the West and global atheism is shrinking.
See also: Global atheism and American atheism and Atheist Population and Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian
In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.
In 2011, the American Spectator citing research published in the International Bulletin of Missionary Research reported that atheism is on the decline as a whole in terms of adherents .
The American Spectator declared:
The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding.
In 2009, the book A sceptics guide to atheism indicated: "A worldwide poll taken in 1991 put the global figure for atheists at just 4.4% of the population. By 2006 it was estimated that only 2% of the world population were atheists."
In 2012 an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:
The IBMR publishes yearly figures for religions (and non religions) around the globe. Their latest numbers, hot off the press (Jan. 2012) show some interesting trends.
Atheism is in Decline
In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty 4.5% of the global population. By 2012 atheists number is estimated at 137 million. Thats a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists share declined to less than one-in-fifty under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world!
Atheism is in decline.
Agnosticism is in Decline
In 2000 agnostics (those who don't know if there is a God) numbered 666 million, 10.9% of the worlds people. By 2012 agnostic number is estimated at 661 million--a decline of 5 million. In relative terms by 2012 agnostics represent less than one tenth (9.4%) of world population. Every 24 hours there are 1,100 less agnostics in the world. Agnostics are also in decline.
Added together these two groups make up a declining share of global population. In 1970 atheists and agnostics accounted for one-in-five (19.2%) of the worlds people. Based on current trends by 2025 they will represent less than one-in-ten (9.7%). Their population share will fall by half in 50+ years."
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism
http://www.americanhumanist.org/HNN/details/2...

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/10/sta...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment...

http://humanism.org.uk/campaigns/religion-and...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/201...

Again...don't let the FACTS get in your...those damn fact conspiraciosts...damn them all to hell, right?:!?!? F!@#king troll...conservapedia...LMFAOL OLOLOL...couldn't find it on WIKIPEDIA eh...

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#73186 Jan 30, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>TOTAL lack of evidence when hundreds of professional archaeologists have been looking for over a hundred years is a sure sign that the event NEVER happened.

We're not talking about just a small amount of evidence found, therefore there is small support for the assertion....we're talking NO evidence, Zilch, Nada, Nyet, Nothing. Archaeologists and many theologians have known this for decades
"TOTAL lack of evidence when hundreds of professional archaeologists have been looking for over a hundred years is a sure sign that the event NEVER happened."

So by this then macroevolution never happened.

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#73188 Jan 30, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"You **DO** realize that if all those forces happened within a month or so after a cataclysmic flood as described in Genesis, that the entire surface of the earth would likely still be in a molten "
I find it funny that atheist put rules like this on God.
Since God can suspend the laws of physics and do whatever he wants. Then why didn't he just encapsulate Noah and his family along with whatever number of animals he chose in a stasis field, destroy the Earth and put them on an exact replica when he was done. For that matter why not wish all of humanity into the corn field in a blink of an eye. Afterall it was man and not animals and plants that had sinned.

You attribute all these things that God could do, but your imagination is limited to what that can mean. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

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