Evolution vs. Creation

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Evolution is true.....

#73041 Jan 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Total tosh,
The babble says gods intention to kill was deliberate and planned and based on nothing more than intolerant greed, i.e. MURDER for profit so why does the babble NOT agree with you?
If it were accidental then the book would not have the readership it has, a bit of blood, guts and mayhem does wonders for a books popularity, hey, you are hooked on it.
Genesis 6:11-17 and 7:11-24 – God planned and carried out the first recorded mass murderer in history for no other reason than intolerance that his own creation were not being good little subjects.
Exodus 12:29 – God planned and carried out the killing innocent children for no other reason than egotistical spite that there parents (his creation) were not being good little subjects
Deuteronomy 21:10-13 – God allows and condones the rape, slavery and subjugation of women for no other reason than he gets off and rape, slavery and subjugation of those who ere not being good little subjects
Or do you have some christian cop out for those atrocities, no not one of the worthless excuses written by apologists thousands of years later when people began questioning but a contemporary and valid reason that would be accepted in a court of law for such abhorrent behaviour written in the babble? No? wow I am surprised…
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Summarily speaking who cares about a dying faith built on genocide, child murder and rape, deception and LIES?
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That’s what was though of the Roman Empire and I believe Hitler thought the same about the Reich, as did Genghis Khan. History is littered with such claims.
Genesis 6:11-17 and 7:11-24
Exodus 12:29
Deuteronomy 21:10-13
Are you saying that the babble does not agree with you? Because it’s printed in the babble in the verses I cite and you are denying them and calling me a liar?
Or is it that you have no excuse so simply IGNORE the parts of the babble that disagree with you and call the person who cites those verses you IGNORE a liar.
You pathetic moron, I have given you every chance to justify your cause and all you can do is try and change the subject and call me a liar. Pathetic…
Honey, just because you build you life around lies does not mean that everyone lies, It simply means you have no understanding of truth. I have no god to lie for so I see no need to lie. Christianity is declining, you cannot call that a lies because it is a FACT
God was the first recorded mass murderer in history - FACT
God killed children - FACT
God condoned rape - FACT
No lies, that is WRITTEN, accept it and become a better christian
And of course God condoned slavery too. In America in the mid 19th century church pastors were using the Bible as justification for slavery. Rednecks Southerners believed it all.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#73042 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Actually the truth of the matter is, Science has to tie ID in with religious creationism to avoid the real issue...that of an obvious intelligent process behind the Universe.
The very same ploy is used to tie Christianity in with the barbaric practices of the historical hebrewic culture. The one's that the Christ abhored and spoke out against. There can be no real argument against the true teaching of Christ,so it's one of non existence...
That why on this thread there is very little mention about the Christ.
lol It's virtually the same ploy that they use when passing a bill...you have to accept this bill with these conditions....
But faith has no conditions...and that is why it is emphasized in many of his teachings.

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#73043 Jan 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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No, the universe being an intelligent process is simply an undemonstrated claim.
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How can they copy designs when you have no designs to show us?
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Sure. We know they are both designed. And who by. And how.
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They don't claim ownership. Only fundies like yourself claim ownership but are unable to show us the owner. Every time I ask you give me something made by humans instead. Which is a rather silly way to make a point.
"How can they copy designs when you have no designs to show us?"

Most, if not all of Science is based on the intelligent processes of the Universe...fact.

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#73044 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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"How can they copy designs when you have no designs to show us?"
Most, if not all of Science is based on the intelligent processes of the Universe...fact.
How about nuclear fusion...

would you say that a human built nuclear reactor was of intelligent design?...of course, anyone would.

But to claim that a star, doing the exact same process is undemonstrated as an intelligent process, is ludicrous.

“That's just MY opinion...”

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#73045 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
How about nuclear fusion...
would you say that a human built nuclear reactor was of intelligent design?...of course, anyone would.
But to claim that a star, doing the exact same process is undemonstrated as an intelligent process, is ludicrous.
You're comparing a reactor to a reaction. Do you understand that those are different things?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#73046 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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So science denies that the Universe is an intelligent process, to the point of coping the same precess to advance scientific technology.
If you have some evidence that the universe is intelligent, I'd love to see it.
xxxooxxx wrote:
Same thing happens all the time...for example one phone designer copies an advanced design of another phone designer and claims that it was an original design.
Science can't claim ownership to a Universe that's already owned.lol
You're starting to sound like Chuckles.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#73047 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually the truth of the matter is, Science has to tie ID in with religious creationism to avoid the real issue...that of an obvious intelligent process behind the Universe.
The very same ploy is used to tie Christianity in with the barbaric practices of the historical hebrewic culture. The one's that the Christ abhored and spoke out against. There can be no real argument against the true teaching of Christ,so it's one of non existence...
That why on this thread there is very little mention about the Christ.
lol It's virtually the same ploy that they use when passing a bill...you have to accept this bill with these conditions....
But faith has no conditions...and that is why it is emphasized in many of his teachings.
Science didn't tie ID to creationism. It was the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania.

Try a religious forum if you want to discuss Christ. This is a science forum. Duh.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Indianapolis, IN

#73048 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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"the universe being an intelligent process is simply an undemonstrated claim."
So why does science copy "undemonstrated" intelligent?...lol
It doesn't.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Indianapolis, IN

#73049 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
"How can they copy designs when you have no designs to show us?"
Most, if not all of Science is based on the intelligent processes of the Universe...fact.
Lie.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#73050 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
How about nuclear fusion...
would you say that a human built nuclear reactor was of intelligent design?...of course, anyone would.
But to claim that a star, doing the exact same process is undemonstrated as an intelligent process, is ludicrous.
So stars are intelligent? Do they talk to you often? Loony.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#73051 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>How about nuclear fusion...

would you say that a human built nuclear reactor was of intelligent design?...of course, anyone would.

But to claim that a star, doing the exact same process is undemonstrated as an intelligent process, is ludicrous.
Sure!

Sun = nuclear reactor

Same as

Natural Selection = Artificial Selection
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73052 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Actually the truth of the matter is, Science has to tie ID in with religious creationism to avoid the real issue...that of an obvious intelligent process behind the Universe.
So obvious that no IDCer can demonstrate it.

We don't NEED to tie ID with religious creationism. They did it themselves. They openly admitted it.

Oh. After they uh, got caught lying their big fat azzes off about it first though.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73053 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
"the universe being an intelligent process is simply an undemonstrated claim."
So why does science copy "undemonstrated" intelligent?...lol
No reason why science can't copy nature. If an intelligence is responsible for nature then how come every time I ask you fundies to back it up you don't bother and point to phones, computers and houses made by humans instead?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73054 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
"How can they copy designs when you have no designs to show us?"
Most, if not all of Science is based on the intelligent processes of the Universe...fact.
Please back up your baseless claim with objective verifiable testable scientific evidence. Thanks in advance for not bothering.

Ever.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73055 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
How about nuclear fusion...
would you say that a human built nuclear reactor was of intelligent design?...of course, anyone would.
But to claim that a star, doing the exact same process is undemonstrated as an intelligent process, is ludicrous.
In which case you should be able to provide us with the observable mechanisms behind the intelligent manipulation of nuclear fusion in stars.

That would uh, NOT include pointing to anything that humans have built.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73056 Jan 29, 2013
MikeF wrote:
You're starting to sound like Chuckles.
Not a good sign. Jimbo is Cowboy's future, could Chuck be xxxooxxx's?

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#73057 Jan 29, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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There is no such thing as "faith based evidence". They are contradictory terms. Faith is by definition a belief held in the absence of evidence.
We have no idea why there is something rather than nothing. We do not even know if that is a meaningful question. But we DO know that your superficial answer "It must be God!" does not answer the question any better than any other attempt. All you are really saying is, "Its beyond our brains, lets hope there is a super-powerful intelligence out there that can answer it!". Faith without evidence.
We know there is a universe. Unlike the time wasting theologians and non-science philosophers that preceded them, scientists started by asking questions they could answer, based on observation of the universe we live in. How fast does a ball bearing accelerate down an incline? What can that tell us more generally? And proceeded from the most immediate questions to the deeper ones, layer by layer.
It is this approach that has given us the answers we do have until now, not this "Must have been God!" fake certainty, accompanied of course by fake rewards, fake punishments, and playing on humans' hope and fear to control them.
But your so called scientific evidence can not truly and sincerely answer the basic questions of humans and how the universe emerged.

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Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#73058 Jan 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Not a good sign. Jimbo is Cowboy's future, could Chuck be xxxooxxx's?
Well hugs & kisses did play the ownership card.

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#73059 Jan 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Total tosh,
The babble says gods intention to kill was deliberate and planned and based on nothing more than intolerant greed, i.e. MURDER for profit so why does the babble NOT agree with you?
If it were accidental then the book would not have the readership it has, a bit of blood, guts and mayhem does wonders for a books popularity, hey, you are hooked on it.
Genesis 6:11-17 and 7:11-24 – God planned and carried out the first recorded mass murderer in history for no other reason than intolerance that his own creation were not being good little subjects.
Exodus 12:29 – God planned and carried out the killing innocent children for no other reason than egotistical spite that there parents (his creation) were not being good little subjects
Deuteronomy 21:10-13 – God allows and condones the rape, slavery and subjugation of women for no other reason than he gets off and rape, slavery and subjugation of those who ere not being good little subjects
Or do you have some christian cop out for those atrocities, no not one of the worthless excuses written by apologists thousands of years later when people began questioning but a contemporary and valid reason that would be accepted in a court of law for such abhorrent behaviour written in the babble? No? wow I am surprised…
<quoted text>
Summarily speaking who cares about a dying faith built on genocide, child murder and rape, deception and LIES?
<quoted text>
That’s what was though of the Roman Empire and I believe Hitler thought the same about the Reich, as did Genghis Khan. History is littered with such claims.
Genesis 6:11-17 and 7:11-24
Exodus 12:29
Deuteronomy 21:10-13
Are you saying that the babble does not agree with you? Because it’s printed in the babble in the verses I cite and you are denying them and calling me a liar?
Or is it that you have no excuse so simply IGNORE the parts of the babble that disagree with you and call the person who cites those verses you IGNORE a liar.
You pathetic moron, I have given you every chance to justify your cause and all you can do is try and change the subject and call me a liar. Pathetic…
Honey, just because you build you life around lies does not mean that everyone lies, It simply means you have no understanding of truth. I have no god to lie for so I see no need to lie. Christianity is declining, you cannot call that a lies because it is a FACT
God was the first recorded mass murderer in history - FACT
God killed children - FACT
God condoned rape - FACT
No lies, that is WRITTEN, accept it and become a better christian
Liar!
If the bible is actually that, there would be no 10 commandments, which speaks against adultery, fornication, rape, lying, sin, stealing and what have you, in the old testament.
In the new testament, Jesus gave only two commandments, which covers the ten given by Moses, it speaks about love of God, and love of ones neighbour as ones self. If the bible is really what you say it is, there would be nothing like the above. This makes you to be a liar and a misquoter of the bible.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#73060 Jan 29, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>But your so called scientific evidence can not truly and sincerely answer the basic questions of humans and how the universe emerged.
Nor can your Bronze-age campfire stories.

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