Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216634 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#73075 Jan 29, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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There are a number of Scripture passages that identify the flood waters with the present-day seas...[snipped]
Amos 9:6

"American King James Version
It is he that builds his stories in the heaven, and has founded his troop in the earth; he that calls for the waters of the sea, and pours them out on the face of the earth: The LORD is his name."

Job 38:1-11 New International Version

1 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:

2 “Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge?

3 Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me.

4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.

5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?

6 On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone—

7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?

8 “Who shut up the sea behind doors when it burst forth from the womb,

9 when I made the clouds its garment and wrapped it in thick darkness,

10 when I fixed limits for it and set its doors and bars in place

11 when I said,‘This far you may come and no farther; here is where your proud waves halt’?"

Psalm 104:6-9
5 He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.

6 You covered it with the watery depths as with a garment; the waters stood above the mountains.

7 But at your rebuke the waters fled, at the sound of your thunder they took to flight;

8 they flowed over the mountains, they went down into the valleys, to the place you assigned for them.

9 You set a boundary they cannot cross; never again will they cover the earth."

(a) You have in the above biblical texts, VERY ambiguous prose, that does NOT suggest that 'mountains rose' or 'ocean floors dropped'. In fact, EVERYTHING that a Supreme Being may have left us to investigate tells us that nothing of the sort EVER took place.

Geology, Paleontology, Geneology, Anthropology and possibly other sciences seperately tells us that there has NEVER been a world-wide flood in the past several million years.

(b) The Bible is rife with blind ascertations with NO evidence whatsoever. Your supplied verses (above) are not "evidence", but re-telling of earlier stories and without merit.

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#73076 Jan 29, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Please back up your baseless claim with objective verifiable testable scientific evidence. Thanks in advance for not bothering.
Ever.
Funny how someone tries to use logic to explain something with substance and yet you counter it with "well show me empirical evidence or it never happened."

Well, then why don't you give us the evidence. You know how scientists have perfectly assembled fossilized dinosaur bones and yet NONE of them contain DNA. And yet the list of dinosaurs is astounding. No matter what you say we know that all bones contain DNA.

Start from here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dinosaur...

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#73077 Jan 29, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Funny how someone tries to use logic to explain something with substance and yet you counter it with "well show me empirical evidence or it never happened."
Well, then why don't you give us the evidence. You know how scientists have perfectly assembled fossilized dinosaur bones and yet NONE of them contain DNA. And yet the list of dinosaurs is astounding. No matter what you say we know that all bones contain DNA.
Start from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dinosaur...
"A study by ancient DNA researchers at Western Australia's Murdoch University has found the hereditary material cannot survive more than 6.8 million years. Most dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/7803373/Fossil...

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#73078 Jan 29, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Funny how someone tries to use logic to explain something with substance and yet you counter it with "well show me empirical evidence or it never happened."
Well, then why don't you give us the evidence. You know how scientists have perfectly assembled fossilized dinosaur bones and yet NONE of them contain DNA. And yet the list of dinosaurs is astounding. No matter what you say we know that all bones contain DNA.
Start from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dinosaur...
They don't want evidences that goes against their science ideologies...they only except evidences that support their own secular views.

Their claim of one of bias impartiality.lol

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#73079 Jan 29, 2013
( thier claim is one of bias impartiality)

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#73080 Jan 29, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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"A study by ancient DNA researchers at Western Australia's Murdoch University has found the hereditary material cannot survive more than 6.8 million years. Most dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/7803373/Fossil...
At what point does carbon dating break down?

And how would you really know if it did or didn't?

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#73081 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
( thier claim is one of bias impartiality)
read: reality

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#73082 Jan 29, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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"A study by ancient DNA researchers at Western Australia's Murdoch University has found the hereditary material cannot survive more than 6.8 million years. Most dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/7803373/Fossil...
I know that. But there are claims of DNA found in some dinosaurs.

The Mighty T-Rex!

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7285683/ns/technolo...

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#73083 Jan 29, 2013
How's that for contradiction, eh?

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#73084 Jan 29, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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read: reality
so in "reality" there is no empirical evidence carbon dating does not break down as a reliable measurement.

T/F...?

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#73085 Jan 29, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I know that. But there are claims of DNA found in some dinosaurs.
The Mighty T-Rex!
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7285683/ns/technolo...
http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/tpschweitzer-bo...

"Schweitzer [The lead researcher in your link] and her team also tested for the presence of DNA within the cellular structures, using an antibody that only binds to the “backbone” of DNA. The antibody reacted to small amounts of material within the “cells” of both the T. rex and the B. canadensis. To rule out the presence of microbes, they used an antibody that binds histone proteins, which bind tightly to the DNA of everything except microbes, and got another positive result. They then ran two other histochemical stains which fluoresce when they attach to DNA molecules. Those tests were also positive. These data strongly suggest that the DNA is original, but without sequence data, it is impossible to confirm that the DNA is dinosaurian."

Your Dino DNA claim hereby refuted.

So far.

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#73086 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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so in "reality" there is no empirical evidence carbon dating does not break down as a reliable measurement.
T/F...?
Moving your goal posts much?

Radiometric Dating

A Christian Perspective

Dr. Roger C. Wiens

"Dr. Wiens ... has published over twenty scientific research papers and has also published articles in Christian magazines. Dr. Wiens became a Christian at a young age, and has been a member of Mennonite Brethren, General Conference Baptist, and Conservative Congregational, and Vineyard denominations. He does not see a conflict between science in its ideal form (the study of God's handiwork) and the Bible, or between miracles on the one hand, and an old Earth on the other."

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html

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#73087 Jan 29, 2013
Man should have an even closer relative than chimpanzee:“the potato”!. Because the number of chromosomes in potatoes is the same as that of man: 46

The analyses done on some proteins show man as close to some very different living beings. In a survey carried out by the researchers in Cambridge University, some proteins of land dwelling animals were compared. Amazingly, in nearly all samples, man and chicken were paired as the closest relatives. The next closest relative was crocodile.(New Scientist v.103, 16 August 1984, p.19)

It's hard to believe, but each tree has unique DNA. Tree DNA is surprisingly similar to human DNA. It has the same basic building blocks. It has the same bases. They're arranged in the same way. The genetic code is the same in trees and in humans. There's a surprising similarity.
- Dr. Eleanor White

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#73088 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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so in "reality" there is no empirical evidence carbon dating does not break down as a reliable measurement.
T/F...?
"Carbon Dating" is only good for organic remains of about 60,000 years of age.

Items OLDER than that are dated by one of the other FORTY OTHER radiometric dating methods.

Many of which over lap and confirm each other as to generalized dates.

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#73089 Jan 29, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Moving your goal posts much?
Radiometric Dating
A Christian Perspective
Dr. Roger C. Wiens
"Dr. Wiens ... has published over twenty scientific research papers and has also published articles in Christian magazines. Dr. Wiens became a Christian at a young age, and has been a member of Mennonite Brethren, General Conference Baptist, and Conservative Congregational, and Vineyard denominations. He does not see a conflict between science in its ideal form (the study of God's handiwork) and the Bible, or between miracles on the one hand, and an old Earth on the other."
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html
still doesn't prove that carbon dating does not break down over a long period of time...

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#73090 Jan 29, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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"Carbon Dating" is only good for organic remains of about 60,000 years of age.
Items OLDER than that are dated by one of the other FORTY OTHER radiometric dating methods.
Many of which over lap and confirm each other as to generalized dates.
So why in the article that you linked, carbon dating was specifically mention as the dating method?

If it's reliable for dating only to the point of 60,000 years, why is it referenced for millions of years?

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#73091 Jan 29, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/tpschweitzer-bo...
"Schweitzer [The lead researcher in your link] and her team also tested for the presence of DNA within the cellular structures, using an antibody that only binds to the “backbone” of DNA. The antibody reacted to small amounts of material within the “cells” of both the T. rex and the B. canadensis. To rule out the presence of microbes, they used an antibody that binds histone proteins, which bind tightly to the DNA of everything except microbes, and got another positive result. They then ran two other histochemical stains which fluoresce when they attach to DNA molecules. Those tests were also positive. These data strongly suggest that the DNA is original, but without sequence data, it is impossible to confirm that the DNA is dinosaurian."
Your Dino DNA claim hereby refuted.
So far.
Then there can be no real evidence to trace how chickens evolved from dinosaurs without DNA evidence.

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#73092 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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still doesn't prove that carbon dating does not break down over a long period of time...
"Carbon Dating" (14C)***ABSOLUTELY*** has a shelf-life of accuracy!

READ CLOSELY!!!

"CARBON" is limited to ORGANIC material. FOSSILS...as found in dinosaurs ... are NOT made of organic material, but are MINERAL matter that has taken the place of previous bone and other organic material that has long since rotted away.

The ORGANIC material is no longer present in fossils (except in VERY rare circumstances), and DNA has NEVER been isolated in fossils.

As such, "Carbon Dating" (C-14) cannot be used on NON-CARBON material. It would also not be accurate on items found in strata over 60,000 years of age.

There are OTHER methods used to date items found in this strata with greater accuracy.

Dr. Wiens link (Christian)- provided earlier - could give you some insight.

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#73093 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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So why in the article that you linked, carbon dating was specifically mention as the dating method?
If it's reliable for dating only to the point of 60,000 years, why is it referenced for millions of years?
<<Sigh>>

I have to wake up in 5 hours.

Read Dr. Wein's link (provided earlier).

He discusses in full the concepts behind the FORTY DIFFERENT radiometric dating methods that reach back to BILLIONS OF YEARS.

Please get a basic education when trying to debate something.

Good nite.

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#73094 Jan 29, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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So why in the article that you linked, carbon dating was specifically mention as the dating method?
The writer of the article (NOT the scientist) was likely under the same misunderstanding as to radiometric dating that you are that EVERY such dating is "Carbon Dating".

In fact, there are (as previously stated) over 40 different methods used for different time periods.

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