Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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<quoted text> Dodge!
Mr. Dodgie. Lol
It's not a dodge. There is simply no evidence for any preceding events. I cannot provide you with a negative.

You on the other hand are making a POSITIVE claim. Therefore you can describe the scientific mechanisms that "God" used to cause said phenomena and the scientific evidence for them.

I imagine you will find this twice as difficult as usual, since you don't even have a clue what the heck I'm talking about anyway.(shrug)
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I don't! There could be more life out there nothing in the Bible refutes this.
Or anything else for that matter.(shrug)
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<quoted text>Have you ever considered "dude-anetics" and living on a boat for a few years to avoid taxes?? Where are the future Travoltas and Cruises going to turn to without your help???????
Well I thought about it, then I thought I couldn't be bothered.(shrug)

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<quoted text> Liar!
You can not challenge Socci's post.
Read through what i said about Pliny the elder and the younger.
I did.

People who simply disagree with the Almighty Chuck don't have to be liars.

But you're like, welcome to your opinion, man.
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Wrong.
Better reread your history.
Is David? No.
Yeah, there's evidence of a King of the House of David. That doesn't necessarily mean your David definitely existed.

And it certainly isn't evidence of invisible Jewmagic, any more than the existence of London proves Sherlock Holmes solved the curious case of the Hound of the Baskervilles.
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"Historicity of numerous kings mentioned in the Bible
Doesn't matter. The Egyptians still got you beat.
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Is your irony meter still holding up or did it go boom?
You kidding? You fundies cost me a fortune in irony meters.

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<quoted text>it wasn't the un's to dispose of btw........and the brits were fed up..........
The U.N. drew up the new border lines for Europe and the Middle East after the war. If you don't like it, take it up with them.

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<quoted text>Quantum physics.
The laws of the atom are different from what Einstein predicts, UA astronomer Don McCarthy said. Einstein’s theory does well in explaining the universe as a whole, but it doesn’t do well at the smallest scale of an atom

Here's the problem: our understanding of the universe is based on two separate theories. One is Einstein's general theory of relativity—that's a way of understanding the biggest things in the universe, things like stars and galaxies. But the littlest things in the universe, atoms and subatomic particles, play by an entirely different set of rules called, "quantum Mechanics"

Take the beginning of the universe, the "big bang." At that instant a tiny nugget erupted violently. Over the next 14 billion years the universe expanded and cooled into the stars, galaxies and planets we see today. But if we run the cosmic film in reverse, everything that's now rushing apart comes back together, so the universe gets smaller, hotter and denser as we head back to the beginning of time.

As we reach the big bang, when the universe was both enormously heavy and incredibly tiny, our projector jams. Our two laws of physics, when combined, break down.

S. JAMES GATES, JR.: The laws of nature are supposed to apply everywhere. So if Einstein's laws are supposed to apply everywhere, and the laws of quantum mechanics are supposed to apply everywhere, well you can't have two separate every where's.

In the years since, physics split into two separate camps: one that uses general relativity to study big and heavy objects, things like stars, galaxies and the universe as a whole...
..and another that uses quantum mechanics to study the tiniest of objects, like atoms and particles. This has been kind of like having two families that just cannot get along and never talk to each other...
There just seemed to be no way to combine quantum mechanics...
...and general relativity in a single theory that could describe the universe on all scales.

"Einstein’s theory says that when energy increases, so does mass, leading to the equation E=mc^2. But depending on whether the atom is in flat or curved space, its mass might be different, and the equation might not hold up."

Classical mechanics is unable to explain phenomena like superfluidity, superconductivity, ferromagnetism, Bose-Einstein condensation etc. Similarly quantum mechanics is incompatible with general relativity.Other problem areas of this theory are some Interpretation ambiguities of mathematical structure .These are role of measurement, determinism vs probabilty, transition from microscopic quantum mechanical to macroscopic quantum be­haviour (Schrodinger’¨ s cat,“dead and alive”), Entanglement and hidden-variable, Bohr’s (& Born’s) Copenhagen Interpretation vs.“many-worlds-theory. all these has been explained in this note.

Prof. Vladan Vuletic,8.04 Quantum Physics I, Massachusetts Institute of Technology: MIT OpenCourseWare), http://ocw.mit.edu (Accessed Sept 16th,2011). License: Creative Commons BY-NC-SA: http://ocw.mit.edu/terms/#cc
String Theory Now on Life Support
Posted by Tom Hartsfield at Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:06:32
There are plenty of reasons not to like string theory. Philosophical and logical arguments against the theory have long been apparent. Strong scientific evidence is increasingly joining them. The discovery of the Higgs boson exactly where the Standard Model says it should be last summer at the LHC was a first blow. Now, more evidence is coming in.

This week, LHCb (LHC-B), one of the many huge experiments along the LHC ring, reported a major result. The result itself is very technical, but its implications are general: big trouble for physics theories that involve supersymmetry (SUSY), string theory and many similar theories included. If SUSY is discarded, string theory goes right out with it.

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"Historicity of numerous kings mentioned in the Bible
Only fifty years ago many disbelieving scholars totally rejected the historical accuracy of the Bible because they claimed that the Scriptures talked about numerous kings and individuals that could not be confirmed from any other historical or archeological records. Recent discoveries have proven these critics wrong. Discoveries have been found referring to King David, Solomon, Uzziah, Hezekiah and many others.
Recent archeological investigations have demolished the position of those who rejected the biblical account of Israel's kings such as King David. In 1993, archeologists digging at Tel Dan in the Galilee in northern Israel found a fragment of a stone inscription that clearly refers to the "house of David" and identifies David as the "king of Israel." This is the first inscription outside the Bible that confirms the Bible's statement that David was the king of Israel in the ninth century before Christ.
A stone inscription from Egypt confirms that Israel was established as a nation in Canaan centuries before the reign of King David, just as the Bible claims. The Merneptah Stela is a seven-and-a-half-foot-high stone inscription discovered in the temple of Pharaoh Merneptah at Thebes in Egypt. Scholars determined that Pharaoh Merneptah ruled Egypt from 1213 to 1203 B.C. and confirmed that he launched an invasion into the area of the modern-day West Bank in Canaan, defeating the Jewish inhabitants of the land. The second line from the bottom of this inscriptions boasts, "Israel is laid waste; his seed is not."
http://www.seeking4truth.com/historical_accur...
I don't think anyone would deny that there is some historical basis to the bible, after all most good stories are based on or set in a historical context, even in the present tense, however that does not make all of the bible true anymore than a pressrelaease from the Iraq foreign minister tomorrow might be based on the events of today yet still be full of political bias. The bible is not a "neutral" historical document, it is a statement of faith, about as reliable as a Rush Limbaugh quote taken without very serious context explanations, the question of "god" is not answered by simply stating that someone said it is so.........it's that simple, and indeed, that complicated.

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The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>You know diddly.

Langoliers wrote, "How about YEC?"

Makes no diff.(shrug)
Maybe under a different name, Diddly doesn't ring a bell.

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<quoted text>No, that would be the FSM.
No, that would be GOD.

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KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Zero, thank you for proving that your Jesus is a myth.
You apparently are willing to take anything as proof, no wonder you're so screwed up.

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Well I thought about it, then I thought I couldn't be bothered.(shrug)
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Can'tbebotheredism.........it' s a tough sell but I know this guy who knows a girl who met the fella who once saw the messiah on a piece of toast in a huddersfield diner?

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Thank you for posting this! I was really beginning to think that everyone on here was insane when reading the first few posts from the same people back and forth.

CLEARLY Darwin himself was not a racist and a very compassionate and forward thinking man for his time. As you said, it is not his fault nor the fault of the well intentioned, and well informed scientist's if racists misconstrue evolution to fit their repulsive and foolish agenda.

I would like to hear the argument as to how Creationism is a fact. What do you people mean by junk science? There is so much factual evidence proving the existence of evolution!! Take the fossils for example that have been found approx 2 million to 1.8 million years ago in Africa. Scientist's have found many fossils which prove that humans slowly evolved over millions of years from an ape-like ancestor. Not to mention the similarity in DNA composition.

To the person who denounced the validity of evolution due to a single organism not changing over millions of years...I don't even know how you thought that was relevant. You cannot argue that because organisms exist seemingly unchanged for millions of years that therefore NOTHING else evolves. If you understood the reason for evolution than you wouldn't have even made that argument.

Species evolve to better adapt and survive in their environment.(I.E. A species of birds existed on an island. Some of the birds had longer beaks which allowed them to eat more bugs. These birds were healthier and more well fed, and well adapter due to this genetic difference. Therefore the other birds died out and the longer beaked birds continued to mate and produce more until the species as a whole all had long beaks). If an organism is already perfectly equipped for its environment than why would evolution take place? Perhaps it did on a smaller level? But that has absolutely nothing to do with human evolution. You cannot discount all of the evidence staring you in the face. It is not some conspiracy as you seem to think.

Last, I just want to say that there is no reason you have to forfeit your religious beliefs due to scientific proof of evolution. The Bible is a collection of stories, plain and simple. Some based in truth, others as descriptive and imaginative stories. This is purely my opinion, but throughout time many people have altered the bible and completely removed entire sections of it dealing with Jesus's wife ( Mary Magdalene) and his mother ( Mary) because it was assumed this would make Jesus look weak and too human like if it was known that he traveled and spread the word of God with them. Mary Magdalene was referred to as a PROSTITUTE until the 1960's or 70's! I mean come on, you can't take everything written there LITERALLY. You can still believe that there is a higher power, but also believe that organisms and life on earth evolved through scientific process.
"CLEARLY Darwin himself was not a racist"

LOL. Really? LOL

"Racism and Darwinism

The greatest influence in the sudden development of racism in the 19th century Europe was the replacement of the Christian belief that "God created all people equal" by "Darwinism". By suggesting that man had evolved from more primitive creatures, and that some races had evolved further than others, it provided racism with a scientific mask.

In short, Darwin is the father of racism. His theory was taken up and commented on by such 'official' founders of racism as Arthur Gobineau and Houston Stewart Chamberlain, and the racist ideology which emerged was then put into practice by the Nazis and other fascists. James Joll, who spent long years as a professor of history at universities such as Oxford, Stanford, and Harvard, explained the relationship between Darwinism and racism in his book Europe Since 1870, which is still taught as a textbook in universities:"
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The laws of the atom are different from what Einstein predicts, UA astronomer Don McCarthy said. Einstein’s theory does well in explaining the universe as a whole, but it doesn’t do well at the smallest scale of an atom
Nice cut and paste job. Without citation I might add. I think I've also mentioned cosmologists looking for a unified theory of gravity for some time now.

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<quoted text>The U.N. drew up the new border lines for Europe and the Middle East after the war. If you don't like it, take it up with them.
judiasm...the religion of no personal responsibility!!!!!!!!!!
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No, that would be GOD.
My religious opinions are just as valid as yours.
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You apparently are willing to take anything as proof, no wonder you're so screwed up.
Yup.

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EsoTeRiCxx827 wrote:
Thank you for posting this! I was really beginning to think that everyone on here was insane when reading the first few posts from the same people back and forth.

CLEARLY Darwin himself was not a racist and a very compassionate and forward thinking man for his time. As you said, it is not his fault nor the fault of the well intentioned, and well informed scientist's if racists misconstrue evolution to fit their repulsive and foolish agenda.

I would like to hear the argument as to how Creationism is a fact. What do you people mean by junk science? There is so much factual evidence proving the existence of evolution!! Take the fossils for example that have been found approx 2 million to 1.8 million years ago in Africa. Scientist's have found many fossils which prove that humans slowly evolved over millions of years from an ape-like ancestor. Not to mention the similarity in DNA composition.

To the person who denounced the validity of evolution due to a single organism not changing over millions of years...I don't even know how you thought that was relevant. You cannot argue that because organisms exist seemingly unchanged for millions of years that therefore NOTHING else evolves. If you understood the reason for evolution than you wouldn't have even made that argument.

Species evolve to better adapt and survive in their environment.(I.E. A species of birds existed on an island. Some of the birds had longer beaks which allowed them to eat more bugs. These birds were healthier and more well fed, and well adapter due to this genetic difference. Therefore the other birds died out and the longer beaked birds continued to mate and produce more until the species as a whole all had long beaks). If an organism is already perfectly equipped for its environment than why would evolution take place? Perhaps it did on a smaller level? But that has absolutely nothing to do with human evolution. You cannot discount all of the evidence staring you in the face. It is not some conspiracy as you seem to think.

Last, I just want to say that there is no reason you have to forfeit your religious beliefs due to scientific proof of evolution. The Bible is a collection of stories, plain and simple. Some based in truth, others as descriptive and imaginative stories. This is purely my opinion, but throughout time many people have altered the bible and completely removed entire sections of it dealing with Jesus's wife ( Mary Magdalene) and his mother ( Mary) because it was assumed this would make Jesus look weak and too human like if it was known that he traveled and spread the word of God with them. Mary Magdalene was referred to as a PROSTITUTE until the 1960's or 70's! I mean come on, you can't take everything written there LITERALLY. You can still believe that there is a higher power, but also believe that organisms and life on earth evolved through scientific process.
"I would like to hear the argument as to how Creationism is a fact."

It not! It is a faith not a fact. You have much to learn.

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