Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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"CLEARLY Darwin himself was not a racist"
LOL. Really? LOL
"Racism and Darwinism
The greatest influence in the sudden development of racism in the 19th century Europe was the replacement of the Christian belief that "God created all people equal" by "Darwinism". By suggesting that man had evolved from more primitive creatures, and that some races had evolved further than others, it provided racism with a scientific mask.
In short, Darwin is the father of racism. His theory was taken up and commented on by such 'official' founders of racism as Arthur Gobineau and Houston Stewart Chamberlain, and the racist ideology which emerged was then put into practice by the Nazis and other fascists. James Joll, who spent long years as a professor of history at universities such as Oxford, Stanford, and Harvard, explained the relationship between Darwinism and racism in his book Europe Since 1870, which is still taught as a textbook in universities:"
Really, so catholics elect female bishops, priests and popes and you are all cuddly and cute religous buddies in getting behind gay marriage because god created all men equal??There's no pro slavery passages in the bible and women are always seen as equal in the eyes of god in the bible??????????Christianity... the religion of no personal responsibility!!!!!!!!!!There is a point in every persons life when they have to grow up, the problem with judo-christianic belief is that you never, ever do..........
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Langoliers wrote:
"CLEARLY Darwin himself was not a racist"
LOL. Really? LOL
"Racism and Darwinism
The greatest influence in the sudden development of racism in the 19th century Europe was the replacement of the Christian belief that "God created all people equal"
Except he didn't. God created two "perfect" human beings called Adam and Eve (not even mentioning the ones of the savage plains who the fundies can't decide if they were created separately or offspring of Adam and Eve). After which came TEH FALL! Whereby all humans born thereafter became less "perfect" with each subsequent generation. It may also be worth noting that the vast majority of depictions of Adam and Eve just so happen to be white Europeans. However it makes little difference which race is put on top, the end result is a claim that is PROFOUNDLY racist.
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by "Darwinism". By suggesting that man had evolved from more primitive creatures, and that some races had evolved further than others, it provided racism with a scientific mask.
While evolution HAS been incorrectly misused in the past to justify racial bigotry, the fact of the matter is that this has no bearing on the scientific validity of the current theory of evolution, also known as the modern evolutionary synthesis. And that states that there is no such thing as "more evolved", since ALL life is posited to have come from a common ancestry. Meaning that ALL species that exist today have the EXACT SAME amount of time to evolve. Therefore not one is any more advanced than another, according to evolutionary theory.

Creationists often object to this as they aren't fond of the idea of all life being on a level playing field.
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In short, Darwin is the father of racism.
Gee, because racism never existed before Darwin's day, right?

Oh wait - it existed for THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
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His theory was taken up and commented on by such 'official' founders of racism as Arthur Gobineau and Houston Stewart Chamberlain, and the racist ideology which emerged was then put into practice by the Nazis and other fascists. James Joll, who spent long years as a professor of history at universities such as Oxford, Stanford, and Harvard, explained the relationship between Darwinism and racism in his book Europe Since 1870, which is still taught as a textbook in universities:"
First, Nazi ideology wasn't based on the theory of evolution, as evolution espouses NATURAL selection, which kinda flies right in the face of eugenics (ARTIFICIAL selection).

Also bear in mind that while Wilberforce and like-minded individuals were calling for the abolition of slavery, people used the Bible as justification, due the the Bible's support of such practices in no uncertain terms.

And as for Darwin himself, he was a product of his time. And while by no means perfect was certainly a little more enlightened than many others of his day. As shown on page ONE. Of THIS thread:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

Sorry fundies, but science can't be debunked by ad-hom rhetoric.

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Thank you for posting this! s.
"Mary Magdalene was referred to as a PROSTITUTE"

Nope sorry. There are many Mary's in the Bible you have them confused. Funny confusion coming out of that brain!

Wikipedia:

"This article is about a biblical figure.

Penitent Mary Magdalene by Nicolas Régnier, Palace on the Water, Warsaw
Disciple
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Place: possibly Saint-Maximin-la-Sainte-Baume, Ephesus, Asia Minor [1]
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Feast July 22

Mary Magdalene (original Greek Μαρία2] or Mary of Magdala and sometimes The Magdalene, was one of Jesus' most celebrated disciples, and the most important female disciple in the movement of Jesus.[3] Jesus cleansed her of "seven demons",[Lu 8:2][Mk 16:9] sometimes interpreted as referring to complex illnesses.[4] She became Jesus' close friend. She was most prominent during his last days. When Jesus was crucified by the Romans, Mary Magdalene was there supporting him in his final terrifying moments and mourning his death.[5] She stayed with him at the cross after the male disciples (excepting John the Beloved) had fled. She was at his burial. In all four New Testament Gospels, Mary Magdalene is the first (either alone or with a group of women) to arrive at Jesus' tomb, where she encounters an angel (or a pair of angels) who instructs her to go tell the disciples that Jesus has risen.[6][7]She was the first person to see Jesus after his Resurrection,[3] according to both John 20 and Mark 16:9. She was there at the "beginning of a movement that was going to transform the West".[5] Because of her pivotal role in the Resurrection, she became known as "the apostle to the apostles".[6]

Few characters in the New Testament have been so sorely miscast as Mary Magdalene. From the sixth century until fairly late in the twentieth century, she has been portrayed as a prostitute. No where in the New Testament is she described in any but the most positive terms. Her reputation as a fallen woman originated not in the Bible but in a sixth-century sermon by Pope Gregory the Great.[6]

Mary Magdalene is considered by the Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, and Lutheran churches to be a saint, with a feast day of July 22. The Eastern Orthodox churches also commemorate her on the Sunday of the Myrrhbearers, the Orthodox equivalent of the Western Three Mary's."
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Except he didn't. God created two "perfect" human beings called Adam and Eve (not even mentioning the ones of the savage plains who the fundies can't decide if they were created separately or offspring of Adam and Eve). After which came TEH FALL! Whereby all humans born thereafter became less "perfect" with each subsequent generation. It may also be worth noting that the vast majority of depictions of Adam and Eve just so happen to be white Europeans. However it makes little difference which race is put on top, the end result is a claim that is PROFOUNDLY racist.
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While evolution HAS been incorrectly misused in the past to justify racial bigotry, the fact of the matter is that this has no bearing on the scientific validity of the current theory of evolution, also known as the modern evolutionary synthesis. And that states that there is no such thing as "more evolved", since ALL life is posited to have come from a common ancestry. Meaning that ALL species that exist today have the EXACT SAME amount of time to evolve. Therefore not one is any more advanced than another, according to evolutionary theory.
Creationists often object to this as they aren't fond of the idea of all life being on a level playing field.
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Gee, because racism never existed before Darwin's day, right?
Oh wait - it existed for THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
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First, Nazi ideology wasn't based on the theory of evolution, as evolution espouses NATURAL selection, which kinda flies right in the face of eugenics (ARTIFICIAL selection).
Also bear in mind that while Wilberforce and like-minded individuals were calling for the abolition of slavery, people used the Bible as justification, due the the Bible's support of such practices in no uncertain terms.
And as for Darwin himself, he was a product of his time. And while by no means perfect was certainly a little more enlightened than many others of his day. As shown on page ONE. Of THIS thread:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
Sorry fundies, but science can't be debunked by ad-hom rhetoric.
Therefore not one race is more advanced than another? Nazi ideology isn't based on evolution?

Dude! get back to your keyboard , theres a mad syphilis infected monkey banking away..

..on second thought forget it, he's an improvement.
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<quoted text>Really, so catholics elect female bishops, priests and popes and you are all cuddly and cute religous buddies in getting behind gay marriage because god created all men equal??There's no pro slavery passages in the bible and women are always seen as equal in the eyes of god in the bible??????????Christianity... the religion of no personal responsibility!!!!!!!!!!There is a point in every persons life when they have to grow up, the problem with judo-christianic belief is that you never, ever do..........
Hey sorry, but being members of the he-man woman haters club, me, Spanky, Alfalfa, and Buckwheat have to keep our bitches in line.As far as gay marriage goes I don't give a rats ass what they do, but don't stick that stink weed under my nose and say gee, doesn't this smell like roses?, and then whine,(like bitches) when I say it smells like sh#t.

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<quoted text>Yeah, there's evidence of a King of the House of David. That doesn't necessarily mean your David definitely existed.

And it certainly isn't evidence of invisible Jewmagic, any more than the existence of London proves Sherlock Holmes solved the curious case of the Hound of the Baskervilles.
"Yeah, there's evidence of a King of the House of David. That doesn't necessarily mean your David definitely existed."

Getting desperate?
It definitely does mean King David existed. Them's the Facts.

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<quoted text>Doesn't matter. The Egyptians still got you beat.
My post:

Historicity of numerous kings mentioned in the Bible

Only fifty years ago many disbelieving scholars totally rejected the historical accuracy of the Bible because they claimed that the Scriptures talked about numerous kings and individuals that could not be confirmed from any other historical or archeological records. Recent discoveries have proven these critics wrong. Discoveries have been found referring to King David, Solomon, Uzziah, Hezekiah and many others.

Recent archeological investigations have demolished the position of those who rejected the biblical account of Israel's kings such as King David. In 1993, archeologists digging at Tel Dan in the Galilee in northern Israel found a fragment of a stone inscription that clearly refers to the "house of David" and identifies David as the "king of Israel." This is the first inscription outside the Bible that confirms the Bible's statement that David was the king of Israel in the ninth century before Christ.

A stone inscription from Egypt confirms that Israel was established as a nation in Canaan centuries before the reign of King David, just as the Bible claims. The Merneptah Stela is a seven-and-a-half-foot-high stone inscription discovered in the temple of Pharaoh Merneptah at Thebes in Egypt. Scholars determined that Pharaoh Merneptah ruled Egypt from 1213 to 1203 B.C. and confirmed that he launched an invasion into the area of the modern-day West Bank in Canaan, defeating the Jewish inhabitants of the land. The second line from the bottom of this inscriptions boasts, "Israel is laid waste; his seed is not."

Now what's your point? That the Egyptians invaded Canaan and defeated the House of David?

It's only been written in the Bible for over 1600 years. It's called validation of the Bible in case your interested.
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Therefore not one race is more advanced than another? Nazi ideology isn't based on evolution?
No, it isn't. It's based on racial superiority. Which they tried to engineer via the application of eugenics (also kinda daft when you think about it). It's possible that some Nazi's THOUGHT they were basing it on evolution, but like every good fundie they misunderstood the concept. Kinda like if they used steamrollers to run people over. We can't blame the steamrollers for the Nazi's using 'em wrong.
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Dude! get back to your keyboard , theres a mad syphilis infected monkey banking away..
..on second thought forget it, he's an improvement.
Your sense of humour is improving.

Okay, so I was just trying to make you feel better.
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"Yeah, there's evidence of a King of the House of David. That doesn't necessarily mean your David definitely existed."
Getting desperate?
It definitely does mean King David existed. Them's the Facts.
Desperate? Not really. You're the one trying to claim a couple of people and some buildings prove invisible Jewmagic.

Oh, and continually ignoring anything you find theologically inconvenient.

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Langoliers wrote:
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"CLEARLY Darwin himself was not a racist"
LOL. Really? LOL
"Racism and Darwinism
The greatest influence in the sudden development of racism in the 19th century Europe was the replacement of the Christian belief that "God created all people equal" by "Darwinism". By suggesting that man had evolved from more primitive creatures, and that some races had evolved further than others, it provided racism with a scientific mask.
In short, Darwin is the father of racism. His theory was taken up and commented on by such 'official' founders of racism as Arthur Gobineau and Houston Stewart Chamberlain, and the racist ideology which emerged was then put into practice by the Nazis and other fascists. James Joll, who spent long years as a professor of history at universities such as Oxford, Stanford, and Harvard, explained the relationship between Darwinism and racism in his book Europe Since 1870, which is still taught as a textbook in universities:"
Still spouting nonsense, I see.

For example:

Racism long predated Darwin. Therefore, he can not be its father.

Hitler had Darwin's books banned and burned.

But don't let facts get in your way. Why ruin a good rant, eh?

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<quoted text>You kidding? You fundies cost me a fortune in irony meters.
I figured.

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Langoliers wrote:
It is a faith not a fact.
Agreed.

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<quoted text>I don't think anyone would deny that there is some historical basis to the bible, after all most good stories are based on or set in a historical context, even in the present tense, however that does not make all of the bible true anymore than a pressrelaease from the Iraq foreign minister tomorrow might be based on the events of today yet still be full of political bias. The bible is not a "neutral" historical document, it is a statement of faith, about as reliable as a Rush Limbaugh quote taken without very serious context explanations, the question of "god" is not answered by simply stating that someone said it is so.........it's that simple, and indeed, that complicated.
"Many people do not believe that the Bible is a reliable document of history. But, the fact is the Bible is very trustworthy as a historical document. If we were to look at a chart that compared the biblical documents with other ancient documents, we would see that the Bible is in a class by itself regarding the number of ancient copies and their reliability. Please consider the chart below."

"It should be obvious that the biblical documents, especially the New Testament documents, are superior in their quantity, time span from original occurrence, and textual reliability. People still question if the documents are reliably transmitted to us; but they should rather ask if the biblical documents record actual historical accounts.

The Bible is a book of History

It could be said that the Bible is a book of history -- and it is. The Bible describes places, people, and events in various degrees of detail. It is essentially an historical account of the people of God throughout thousands of years. If you open to almost any page in the Bible you will find a name of a place and/or a person. Much of this can be verified from archaeology. Though archaeology cannot prove that the Bible is the inspired word of God, it has the ability to prove whether or not some events and locations described therein are true or false. So far, however, there isn't a single archaeological discovery that disproves the Bible in any way."

http://carm.org/can-we-trust-new-testament-hi...

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<quoted text>Nice cut and paste job. Without citation I might add. I think I've also mentioned cosmologists looking for a unified theory of gravity for some time now.
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<quoted text>My religious opinions are just as valid as yours.
Nope, I've got the Bible you've got nothing close.

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Therefore not one race is more advanced than another? Nazi ideology isn't based on evolution?
Artificial selection. Selective breeding. Perhaps you've heard of it.

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<quoted text>Yup.

That was another one. Just wait 'till I send you the bill.
That's ok I've got 3 Bills how about a Sue or Mary?
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Langoliers wrote:
Now what's your point? That the Egyptians invaded Canaan and defeated the House of David?
Nope. Your claim is that archaeological sites support the Bible, and the Egyptians outnumber you in that regard. By a mile. 40 cities, 116 pyramids, numerous temples and burial sites both royal and civilian...
Langoliers wrote:
It's only been written in the Bible for over 1600 years. It's called validation of the Bible in case your interested.
And obviously you never heard of Higher Criticism, whereby Christian scholars critiqued the Bible during the 16th & 17th centuries to see how much of it matched up with known history. They found that some did, some didn't, and the rest couldn't be verified. Especially the magic bits.

But all of this is superfluous to the fact that all the archaeology in the world is not evidence of invisible Jewmagic.
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Nope, I've got the Bible you've got nothing close.
And boy am I glad.
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Artificial selection. Selective breeding. Perhaps you've heard of it.
He's heard of it, he just didn't understand it the first few hundred times.

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