Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Read more

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#72834 Jan 28, 2013
EsoTeRiCxx827 wrote:
Thank you for posting this! I was really beginning to think that everyone on here was insane when reading the first few posts from the same people back and forth.
CLEARLY Darwin himself was not a racist and a very compassionate and forward thinking man for his time. As you said, it is not his fault nor the fault of the well intentioned, and well informed scientist's if racists misconstrue evolution to fit their repulsive and foolish agenda.
I would like to hear the argument as to how Creationism is a fact. What do you people mean by junk science? There is so much factual evidence proving the existence of evolution!! Take the fossils for example that have been found approx 2 million to 1.8 million years ago in Africa. Scientist's have found many fossils which prove that humans slowly evolved over millions of years from an ape-like ancestor. Not to mention the similarity in DNA composition.
To the person who denounced the validity of evolution due to a single organism not changing over millions of years...I don't even know how you thought that was relevant. You cannot argue that because organisms exist seemingly unchanged for millions of years that therefore NOTHING else evolves. If you understood the reason for evolution than you wouldn't have even made that argument.
Species evolve to better adapt and survive in their environment.(I.E. A species of birds existed on an island. Some of the birds had longer beaks which allowed them to eat more bugs. These birds were healthier and more well fed, and well adapter due to this genetic difference. Therefore the other birds died out and the longer beaked birds continued to mate and produce more until the species as a whole all had long beaks). If an organism is already perfectly equipped for its environment than why would evolution take place? Perhaps it did on a smaller level? But that has absolutely nothing to do with human evolution. You cannot discount all of the evidence staring you in the face. It is not some conspiracy as you seem to think.
Last, I just want to say that there is no reason you have to forfeit your religious beliefs due to scientific proof of evolution. The Bible is a collection of stories, plain and simple. Some based in truth, others as descriptive and imaginative stories. This is purely my opinion, but throughout time many people have altered the bible and completely removed entire sections of it dealing with Jesus's wife ( Mary Magdalene) and his mother ( Mary) because it was assumed this would make Jesus look weak and too human like if it was known that he traveled and spread the word of God with them. Mary Magdalene was referred to as a PROSTITUTE until the 1960's or 70's! I mean come on, you can't take everything written there LITERALLY. You can still believe that there is a higher power, but also believe that organisms and life on earth evolved through scientific process.
That's rather nicely put.

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#72835 Jan 28, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>There is genetic proof that characters from the Old Testament did actually exist.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Ar...
Jews are obsessive about tracing genetic history, genealogy. They are determined to be able to accurately identify their prophesied Messiah.
not quite so obsessive about researching palestinian land claims though..........

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#72836 Jan 28, 2013
lisawow wrote:
<quoted text>not quite so obsessive about researching palestinian land claims though..........
The U.N. started all this border dispute crap. Blame them if you need to place blame for the ongoing conflict there.

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#72837 Jan 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>Who says aliens don't exist? I believe they have manipulated us here on this planet. We're not all products of just one handyman. lol
I don't! There could be more life out there nothing in the Bible refutes this.

However something finding us before we were transmitting anything is pretty tough odds. Lots of rocks out there.

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#72838 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Dodge!
Mr. Dodgie. Lol
Mr. Dodgie was one of my fave britcoms ever!!!!!!

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#72839 Jan 28, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>The U.N. started all this border dispute crap. Blame them if you need to place blame for the ongoing conflict there.
Israel uber alles...I get it.........blame,blame,blame, but never let truth get in the way of a good colonization..........

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#72840 Jan 28, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>The U.N. started all this border dispute crap. Blame them if you need to place blame for the ongoing conflict there.
I'm pretty sure if I just showed up where my ancestors used to live a few hundred years before and claimed it as my own I wouldn't be blaming the UN for my problems, maybe I should take the apartment next door by force as a buffer zone in case the peopledown the hall get uppity some time......
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#72841 Jan 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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"p 1,"? Do you mean page one of this thread? That was two and a half years ago. And I just went back and could not see any references to Exodus there.
Plus keep in mind that the fake "Prof"-X who started the thread off is a confirmed liar for Jesus who couldn't even get through one sentence without lying.
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#72842 Jan 28, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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So If I go wandering around Ohio, passing my peeps in the street and saying "How's it hanging, dude?", what are my odds for being remembered for two thousand years and having people do awful things in my name?
Slim. But then we do know that people invented other religions. And they also may have been based or partially based on people who existed. It doesn't matter whether the person was very charismatic and important or just some crazy street-preacher nobody. Or a literal nobody, as in total fiction. All someone needs is a valid political reason for an agenda to invent a religion. For the Christians, it was the Romans. For L. Ron Hubbard, it was to be respected and make money.
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#72843 Jan 28, 2013
EsoTeRiCxx827 wrote:
You cannot argue that because organisms exist seemingly unchanged for millions of years that therefore NOTHING else evolves.
Especially since that the fossils creationists claim to have "never changed" have in fact changed over time. Which is why the coelecanth (one of their favourites) of today is not the same species as millions of years ago. If nothing radical happens in their environment there may be little selection pressure to cause change.
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#72845 Jan 28, 2013
God Himself wrote:
Is it true that no other possibilities have been proposed?
Yes. Since you uh, haven't provided any yet.(shrug)
God Himself wrote:
As it relates to evidence, the idea that God existed originated from man's experience of nature; so I fail to see how you can conclude that there is no evidence for God when nature is in itself the evidence for God.
Then if, metaphorically speaking, you wish to refer to nature as "God" then fair play to ya. However nature is only evidence of nature. It's not evidence of an invisible Jew wizard that exists beyond spacetime as we know it.
God Himself wrote:
If you ask me HOW orthologous ERV evented, I would refer to scientific knowledge.
If you asked me WHAT made orthologous ERV possible, I would say Goddidit.
You cant do much better than that either.
Actually I can. It's called common ancestry. "Goddidit" is not an explanation. It gives us a WHO, not a HOW. And does so without evidence. It doesn't actually explain anything.
God Himself wrote:
Abundant in the natural world.
Baseless.
God Himself wrote:
Yours arent much better.
Religious opinions I've offered I also pointed out were only opinions. Not the case when I talk science.
God Himself wrote:
Thats all you will be able to do, essentially.
If you say so.
God Himself wrote:
Not really.
Even in the presence of scientific evidence that an agent is responsible for an event; the agent is still superfluous to the study of the event.
The agent is superfluous, regardless of evidence of its existence.
I MIGHT agree with you here, except for the fact the agent IS relevant when you SPECIFICALLY claim it exists. And you have.
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#72846 Jan 28, 2013
God Himself wrote:
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No.
I tend to do that sometimes.
If you noticed, I have even posted as "The Pencil Dick" every now and again.
I do those things for the sake of trolls, who for some reason think that calling religious people names should have some efficacy in refuting an argument.
I do that to show them that name calling is futile, I can do it to myself and feel no pain.
Same if people call me names, they can do it all day long. The only time I take issue is if their name implies consequences other than pure insult, such as "atheist" or "liar". It's not that they offend me, but that it's yet another error I will correct them on, same as anything else.

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#72847 Jan 28, 2013
lisawow wrote:
<quoted text>I'm pretty sure if I just showed up where my ancestors used to live a few hundred years before and claimed it as my own I wouldn't be blaming the UN for my problems, maybe I should take the apartment next door by force as a buffer zone in case the peopledown the hall get uppity some time......
The U.N. gave the land to the Jews after WW2, you moron.
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#72848 Jan 28, 2013
God Himself wrote:
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Right. I agree.
Now tell me; where is the evidence for "dark matter" that meets the criteria you have provided here?
In calculations applied to astronomical phenomena. Under plain Einsteinian rules of relativity we find that certain astronomical bodies are not where they should be. Cosmologists developed the theory of dark matter, which then makes predictions based on data, much like Newtonian rules of gravitation will make predictions of where a cannonball will land if shot at a certain angle and power. Using those calculations scientists can predict where an astronomical body will be, then confirm it via measurable observations. It is in this way dark matter can be detected, even though we don't know what it is exactly.

In science circles it is no longer considered a hypothesis but a scientific theory. It IS still possible that the theory is incorrect, but in science we go with what works best. And so far no-one has been able to provide a better alternative capable of doing the job better. One example has been tried called Modified Gravity, but it simply didn't work. So until a better theory comes along they stick with dark matter.
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#72849 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> False research...
Why of course it is. Nothing must DARE disagree with your oh so important religious opinions!

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#72850 Jan 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>I would be scared if I'm confronted by an alien. It's bad enough that I had a dream about them. lol. We are not products of just one God. I believe there are beings from different dimensions whether they take the form of spirits, angels, or aliens. They're all at work here.
What do you think about this?

http://xfacts.com/xnews/index.html

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#72851 Jan 28, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Slim. But then we do know that people invented other religions. And they also may have been based or partially based on people who existed. It doesn't matter whether the person was very charismatic and important or just some crazy street-preacher nobody. Or a literal nobody, as in total fiction. All someone needs is a valid political reason for an agenda to invent a religion. For the Christians, it was the Romans. For L. Ron Hubbard, it was to be respected and make money.
Have you ever considered "dude-anetics" and living on a boat for a few years to avoid taxes?? Where are the future Travoltas and Cruises going to turn to without your help???????

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#72852 Jan 28, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Oh, that must be why no-one even mentioned Jesus until over 4 decades after his alleged death at the earliest. That's why Josephus never claimed Jesus existed and was only writing about the emerging Christian cult at the time, and his writings were later changed (writing style indicates probably Eusegus) to be more pro-Christian. Chucky on this thread tried the Pliny route, claiming Pliny the Elder actually met him. This was despite the fact that Pliny didn't even mention it and it was actually Pliny the Younger, who didn't actually meet Jesus, wrote about his Elder and claimed he met Him. In the meantime Jesus was running all over the Middle East performing magic tricks for everyone, and no-one bothered to even write it down for eight decades or so. Not even the Romans who were quite meticulous for keeping manuscripts, and amazingly they did not become Christian until a couple of centuries later.
Jesus may or may not have existed. Jesus may or may not have been magic. So far I'm willing to accept that a preacher guy called Jesus went around saying "Peace, man!"
Liar!
You can not challenge Socci's post.
Read through what i said about Pliny the elder and the younger.

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#72853 Jan 28, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, I know Jack, he's a pretty good guy. We like to go fishing together.

I know quite a bit about the Bible too.
So you do know Jack. He lies about the one big one that got away.

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#72854 Jan 28, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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You're a professional fundie. Nothing more.
Likewise.

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