Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Many places in Harry Potter have been confirmed to be real too. England, London, even certain railroad depots. Just because a few places in the Bible can be shown to have existed does very little to give the book any credence.
Spiderman is real too according to the standards you have just given.
That does not say too much for your evidence.
Another of Chucky’s arguments is that the Bible mentions actual historic people.
Chimney1 saw Obama’s picture in a Spiderman comic book and asked Chucky if Spiderman is an actual person.
Chucky never answered.

There seems to be little doubt that Michael Jackson, Barbra Streisand, Jennifer Lopez, Kanye West, Paris Hilton, Tom Cruise, Britney Spears, Billy Mays, Charles Manson, and Sally Struthers are real people. All of these celebrities have appeared in South Park episodes. Furthermore, South Park is an actual place. I asked Chucky if the South Park series is also true, but he never answered.

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Chuckles, we don't need archaeology. It is fairly easy to see that London exists. If you want to I am sure that you could hire an archaeologist and he would verify that London is a real place for you too.
Do you not realize that you made a huge logical fail in your claim?
Or is logic as difficult as English is for you?
You did not read what i wrote. You really do lack comprehension in English.
Majority of the biblical characters have been archaeologically verified unlike Harry Porter and Spider man( fiction).

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Chuckles, we don't need archaeology. It is fairly easy to see that London exists. If you want to I am sure that you could hire an archaeologist and he would verify that London is a real place for you too.
Do you not realize that you made a huge logical fail in your claim?
Or is logic as difficult as English is for you?
Lastly, if not for archaeology some of the places people thought never existed, mentioned by the bible have been archaeologically verified.
London is a real place, just like Bethlehem, but the characters for Harry Porter are fictitious.

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Or is logic as difficult as English is for you?
We should not worry what Charles believes and don't understand. If he were a vicious person who follows the teachings of the bible, that's something to watch out for. It's people like him who needs to follow the bible and not someone ill-minded who will use it as a weapon against his enemies.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> My eyes, brain, reasoning and what have you.
The universe, galaxies and the constellations are some of the sure evidence of a creator, because some one must have put them there...
Oh, that again.

"I dunno."

"That proves Goddidit."

Hell of an argument there, son.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Lastly, if not for archaeology some of the places people thought never existed, mentioned by the bible have been archaeologically verified.
London is a real place, just like Bethlehem, but the characters for Harry Porter are fictitious.
There are a number of very essential personages who are not attested to anywhere outside of the Bible. Times...they are a' changin'

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Wrong, at best archaeology has identified a few possible places. Actual characters in the Bible are not well identified.
In fact if you want to rely on archaeologists then you don't believe even the book of Exodus. Archaeologists swear that if on the order of 1 to 2 million people were wandering the desert for forty years they would have found evidence of them.
You just shot yourself in both feet with this last post. I guess that evens out the limping.
Liar!
The bible has about 66 books, if there is no discoveries yet for exodus, it does not mean that the bible is false.
Other books of the bible have been archaeologically verified, just accept your error.

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Hello Tinka...I hope you are doing well
Hey just reading the posts and I was thinking that even people sharing the same dna they all tend to be somewhat different and then out of the circle of ancestry we can find much that keeps our intellect functioning...

Well at least once upon a time, what makes some things seem to be less (evolved)?

Is it lack of things a loss I have my ideas but why even bother if that which doesn't understand it anyway because many things are that learned through experience and well while while it is time the process is personal...

How much of what we are going through will actually mean something...

What I mean is when you have to read a paper for a test or some study you go over it and over it hopefully you have given yourself some time, because during I have found it is good to let it sit for a bit and then go back to it to see what stuck and then the read through from that point many times seems much clearer...

Haste an emotion or something else?

Man honest I don't know what I will decide on how to get through the homeless phase in my time having been that I have yet still to figure out how to really put it all down somehow for my own self...

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Subduction Zone wrote:
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Wrong, at best archaeology has identified a few possible places. Actual characters in the Bible are not well identified.
In fact if you want to rely on archaeologists then you don't believe even the book of Exodus. Archaeologists swear that if on the order of 1 to 2 million people were wandering the desert for forty years they would have found evidence of them.
You just shot yourself in both feet with this last post. I guess that evens out the limping.
Out of many?
What do you mean?
Most of the old and new testament's characters have been archaeologically verified. Just learn to admit your weakness.

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Thomas Robertson wrote:
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Another of Chucky’s arguments is that the Bible mentions actual historic people.
Chimney1 saw Obama’s picture in a Spiderman comic book and asked Chucky if Spiderman is an actual person.
Chucky never answered.
There seems to be little doubt that Michael Jackson, Barbra Streisand, Jennifer Lopez, Kanye West, Paris Hilton, Tom Cruise, Britney Spears, Billy Mays, Charles Manson, and Sally Struthers are real people. All of these celebrities have appeared in South Park episodes. Furthermore, South Park is an actual place. I asked Chucky if the South Park series is also true, but he never answered.
Whether you like it or not, the bible is not fiction. Try another road.
Those characters of the bible are real, and they wrote about their histories and the past.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Whether you like it or not, the bible is not fiction. Try another road.
Those characters of the bible are real, and they wrote about their histories and the past.
Isn't that what History stands for the Past? Historics?

Definition of HISTORIC

: historical: as
a : famous or important in history <historic battlefields>
b : having great and lasting importance <a historic occasion>
c : known or established in the past <historic interest rates>
d : dating from or preserved from a past time or culture <historic buildings> <historic artifacts>
See historic defined for English-language learners »
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Examples of HISTORIC

It's wonderful to see so many people here on this historic occasion.
She returned safely from her historic flight into space.
The court made a historic decision last week.
They know of many historic volcanic eruptions in the area.
the historic importance of the river
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Antonyms: inconsequential, inconsiderable, insignificant, little, minor, negligible, slight, small, trifling, trivial, unimportant

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I can't wait to read our new est version of the Bible...

I may have to write one all by my lonesome too Time of Emo...or something like that...

Maybe there will be one, Out of History or Out of Culture...because of it having been out...

Wonder if with it will there be a new kind of Religion as well?

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Out of many?
What do you mean?
Most of the old and new testament's characters have been archaeologically verified. Just learn to admit your weakness.
Even Jesus is not archaeologically verified!

Is David? No.
Solomon? No.
Saul? No.
Moses?
Joseph?

Even archaeeological evidence of places is not proof of the existence of these characters.

Some of them, or something like some of them, probably lived.

And when we go back further in time...through Moses, and then back to the mythical pre-Israelite times of supposed Abraham, Noah, or Methuselah, or Adam... then its pure myth as far as any relation to archaeological facts or fact of ANY kind can be gleaned. Its about as reliable as the Iliad of Homer.

According to you, the fact that Troy was found to exist proves that Achilles really was the son of the river goddess Thetis.
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Subduction Zone wrote:
In fact if you want to rely on archaeologists then you don't believe even the book of Exodus. Archaeologists swear that if on the order of 1 to 2 million people were wandering the desert for forty years they would have found evidence of them.
You just shot yourself in both feet with this last post. I guess that evens out the limping.

The archaeology for the Exodus was already posted on p 1.
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Even Jesus is not archaeologically verified!
Is David? No.
Solomon? No.
Saul? No.
Moses?
Joseph?
Even archaeeological evidence of places is not proof of the existence of these characters.
Some of them, or something like some of them, probably lived.

You are either lazy or a liar, which is it?

All the historians of the time record Jesus:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...

King David's palace discovered:

http://alltheinternet.net/...

Egypt's canal of Joseph:

"Bahr Yussef (Canal of Joseph) The Bahr Yussef is believed to have been built under the Israelite patriarch Joseph when he was vizier for Thutmosis III."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahr_Yussef

The apostle Paul founded the churches at Rome and Cetls who wrote the books of Romans and Galatians,(not the catholic church).

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You did not read what i wrote. You really do lack comprehension in English.
Majority of the biblical characters have been archaeologically verified unlike Harry Porter and Spider man( fiction).
Actually I did read what you wrote and even told you what part of what you wrote was false. So that would be a reading comprehension lack on your part. Very few actual people in the Old Testament have been confirmed by archaeology. And definitely none from the first five books of the O T.. Let's see your evidence of confirmed people from the O.T..

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Chimney1 wrote:
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Even Jesus is not archaeologically verified!
Is David? No.
Solomon? No.
Saul? No.
Moses?
Joseph?
Even archaeeological evidence of places is not proof of the existence of these characters.
Some of them, or something like some of them, probably lived.
And when we go back further in time...through Moses, and then back to the mythical pre-Israelite times of supposed Abraham, Noah, or Methuselah, or Adam... then its pure myth as far as any relation to archaeological facts or fact of ANY kind can be gleaned. Its about as reliable as the Iliad of Homer.
According to you, the fact that Troy was found to exist proves that Achilles really was the son of the river goddess Thetis.
What about the high priest Aron?

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socci wrote:
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The archaeology for the Exodus was already posted on p 1.
"p 1,"? Do you mean page one of this thread? That was two and a half years ago. And I just went back and could not see any references to Exodus there.

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You are either lazy or a liar, which is it?
All the historians of the time record Jesus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...
King David's palace discovered:
http://alltheinternet.net/...
Egypt's canal of Joseph:
"Bahr Yussef (Canal of Joseph) The Bahr Yussef is believed to have been built under the Israelite patriarch Joseph when he was vizier for Thutmosis III."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahr_Yussef
The apostle Paul founded the churches at Rome and Cetls who wrote the books of Romans and Galatians,(not the catholic church).
It's his job to deny that any biblical figures ever existed.

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socci wrote:
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You are either lazy or a liar, which is it?
All the historians of the time record Jesus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...
King David's palace discovered:
http://alltheinternet.net/...
Egypt's canal of Joseph:
"Bahr Yussef (Canal of Joseph) The Bahr Yussef is believed to have been built under the Israelite patriarch Joseph when he was vizier for Thutmosis III."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahr_Yussef
The apostle Paul founded the churches at Rome and Cetls who wrote the books of Romans and Galatians,(not the catholic church).
Try to find some better sources. The claim of one Archaeologist does not mean they found David's Palace. From an article on finding the palace:

[quote]Other scholars are skeptical that the foundation walls discovered by the archaeologist, Eilat Mazar, are David's palace. But they acknowledge that what she has uncovered is rare and important: a major public building from around the 10th century B.C.,[/quote]

So they may have found David's Palace. I won't go into the flaws on the Historicity of Jesus, who probably was a real person. But that does not mean he did any miracles at all.

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