Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Dubai, UAE

#72755 Jan 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Out of many?
What do you mean?
Most of the old and new testament's characters have been archaeologically verified. Just learn to admit your weakness.
Even Jesus is not archaeologically verified!

Is David? No.
Solomon? No.
Saul? No.
Moses?
Joseph?

Even archaeeological evidence of places is not proof of the existence of these characters.

Some of them, or something like some of them, probably lived.

And when we go back further in time...through Moses, and then back to the mythical pre-Israelite times of supposed Abraham, Noah, or Methuselah, or Adam... then its pure myth as far as any relation to archaeological facts or fact of ANY kind can be gleaned. Its about as reliable as the Iliad of Homer.

According to you, the fact that Troy was found to exist proves that Achilles really was the son of the river goddess Thetis.
socci

Lawson, MO

#72756 Jan 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
In fact if you want to rely on archaeologists then you don't believe even the book of Exodus. Archaeologists swear that if on the order of 1 to 2 million people were wandering the desert for forty years they would have found evidence of them.
You just shot yourself in both feet with this last post. I guess that evens out the limping.

The archaeology for the Exodus was already posted on p 1.
socci

Lawson, MO

#72757 Jan 28, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
Even Jesus is not archaeologically verified!
Is David? No.
Solomon? No.
Saul? No.
Moses?
Joseph?
Even archaeeological evidence of places is not proof of the existence of these characters.
Some of them, or something like some of them, probably lived.

You are either lazy or a liar, which is it?

All the historians of the time record Jesus:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...

King David's palace discovered:

http://alltheinternet.net/...

Egypt's canal of Joseph:

"Bahr Yussef (Canal of Joseph) The Bahr Yussef is believed to have been built under the Israelite patriarch Joseph when he was vizier for Thutmosis III."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahr_Yussef

The apostle Paul founded the churches at Rome and Cetls who wrote the books of Romans and Galatians,(not the catholic church).

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#72758 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You did not read what i wrote. You really do lack comprehension in English.
Majority of the biblical characters have been archaeologically verified unlike Harry Porter and Spider man( fiction).
Actually I did read what you wrote and even told you what part of what you wrote was false. So that would be a reading comprehension lack on your part. Very few actual people in the Old Testament have been confirmed by archaeology. And definitely none from the first five books of the O T.. Let's see your evidence of confirmed people from the O.T..

“It's all about the struggle”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#72759 Jan 28, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Even Jesus is not archaeologically verified!
Is David? No.
Solomon? No.
Saul? No.
Moses?
Joseph?
Even archaeeological evidence of places is not proof of the existence of these characters.
Some of them, or something like some of them, probably lived.
And when we go back further in time...through Moses, and then back to the mythical pre-Israelite times of supposed Abraham, Noah, or Methuselah, or Adam... then its pure myth as far as any relation to archaeological facts or fact of ANY kind can be gleaned. Its about as reliable as the Iliad of Homer.
According to you, the fact that Troy was found to exist proves that Achilles really was the son of the river goddess Thetis.
What about the high priest Aron?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#72760 Jan 28, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
The archaeology for the Exodus was already posted on p 1.
"p 1,"? Do you mean page one of this thread? That was two and a half years ago. And I just went back and could not see any references to Exodus there.

“It's all about the struggle”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#72761 Jan 28, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
You are either lazy or a liar, which is it?
All the historians of the time record Jesus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...
King David's palace discovered:
http://alltheinternet.net/...
Egypt's canal of Joseph:
"Bahr Yussef (Canal of Joseph) The Bahr Yussef is believed to have been built under the Israelite patriarch Joseph when he was vizier for Thutmosis III."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahr_Yussef
The apostle Paul founded the churches at Rome and Cetls who wrote the books of Romans and Galatians,(not the catholic church).
It's his job to deny that any biblical figures ever existed.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#72762 Jan 28, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
You are either lazy or a liar, which is it?
All the historians of the time record Jesus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...
King David's palace discovered:
http://alltheinternet.net/...
Egypt's canal of Joseph:
"Bahr Yussef (Canal of Joseph) The Bahr Yussef is believed to have been built under the Israelite patriarch Joseph when he was vizier for Thutmosis III."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahr_Yussef
The apostle Paul founded the churches at Rome and Cetls who wrote the books of Romans and Galatians,(not the catholic church).
Try to find some better sources. The claim of one Archaeologist does not mean they found David's Palace. From an article on finding the palace:

[quote]Other scholars are skeptical that the foundation walls discovered by the archaeologist, Eilat Mazar, are David's palace. But they acknowledge that what she has uncovered is rare and important: a major public building from around the 10th century B.C.,[/quote]

So they may have found David's Palace. I won't go into the flaws on the Historicity of Jesus, who probably was a real person. But that does not mean he did any miracles at all.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#72763 Jan 28, 2013
And Yussef was and still is a very common name in the Middle East. Would you get all excited if they found Yussef's restaurant since it had neon signs that said:

"Eat At Joe's"

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#72765 Jan 28, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
Computers contain organic compounds already, and the term "organic computer" does not mean "made of organic material" as you stated, idiot. They are two completely different things. Sheesh, did you drop out of school in kindergarten?

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#72766 Jan 28, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
The archaeology for the Exodus was already posted on p 1.
No Jews were ever found in Egypt.
Zackly

Pass Christian, MS

#72767 Jan 28, 2013
Tinka wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey just reading the posts and I was thinking that even people sharing the same dna they all tend to be somewhat different and then out of the circle of ancestry we can find much that keeps our intellect functioning...
Well at least once upon a time, what makes some things seem to be less (evolved)?
Is it lack of things a loss I have my ideas but why even bother if that which doesn't understand it anyway because many things are that learned through experience and well while while it is time the process is personal...
How much of what we are going through will actually mean something...Are you sleep typing or something?
What I mean is when you have to read a paper for a test or some study you go over it and over it hopefully you have given yourself some time, because during I have found it is good to let it sit for a bit and then go back to it to see what stuck and then the read through from that point many times seems much clearer...
Haste an emotion or something else?
Man honest I don't know what I will decide on how to get through the homeless phase in my time having been that I have yet still to figure out how to really put it all down somehow for my own self...
Are you sleep walking or something?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72768 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Foul!
You are a liar.
On the contrary, I've demonstrated it. You have not addressed it. It stands until you do.

Hence I am not lying. Mistaken? Maybe. But since you just say "NO!" instead of attempting a coherent rational scientific rebuttal you have no valid cause to call me a liar other than the simple fact you disagree with me.

Your baseless religious opinions are irrelevant. Always have been. Always will be.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72769 Jan 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
You keep asking for something you don't want. Interesting.
Oh, the irony.

“There is no such thing”

Level 3

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#72770 Jan 28, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
You are either lazy or a liar, which is it?
All the historians of the time record Jesus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...
King David's palace discovered:
http://alltheinternet.net/...
Egypt's canal of Joseph:
"Bahr Yussef (Canal of Joseph) The Bahr Yussef is believed to have been built under the Israelite patriarch Joseph when he was vizier for Thutmosis III."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahr_Yussef
The apostle Paul founded the churches at Rome and Cetls who wrote the books of Romans and Galatians,(not the catholic church).
You can kepp Joseph's canal to yourself...perv.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72771 Jan 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
False analogy. If nothing is complex, then you would have an answer to how planets were exactly formed and be able to replicate them, let alone a universe, or can you? It's why you need an intelligent agent as a cause of how it created such complexity as the solar system, because then it would make your argument valid. Because only such intelligent agent would be able to 'easily' create or manipulate such complex system.
Actually it wasn't me using the analogy. I was pointing out why the analogy was flawed. If you claim something complex needs a designer you must therefore have some idea how the designer did it. That's HOW we know observable phenomena are designed or not, such as computers, houses, birds nests, whatever. Otherwise it's argument from ignorance - "Gee, that's so complicated we have no idea how it happened. Therefore Goddidit!"

If a designer is posited then one must have evidence of its existence and have an idea of the mechanisms it used to do whatever it is you think it did.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72772 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Poof poof!
It is in the Darwin's crowd thread under the evolution debate, are you denying that your bloody loser?
Too late!
I have no need to deny what you can't demonstrate.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72773 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> So, what is their mode of worship?
Who do they pray to?
Worship is not always necessary. It's about spiritual peace. I'd suggest go ask a buddhist but then you'd probably tell them how they're getting their own religion wrong anyway.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72774 Jan 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
"So you are presuming that it could not possibly"
the big bang. Where nothing exploded and created everything. Or as some now are changing it up to sound less ridicules claim that when a singular (that contained all matter in the cosmos and was no bigger then this period .) exploded S L O W L Y creating everything.
Ya this second explanation sounds way more plausible. One other thing. What made it explode?
It had been sitting there for most of an entirety then just on a whim it thought
"Hey let's try something different"?
Yes sir, you folks real have something to hang your hat on with that one.
I can see why with such a solid foundation as that you feel superior enough to call creationist crazy.
Actually no, creationists are called crazy not necessarily because they think an invisible magical Jewish wizard magically poofed into existence cuz the Bible iz troo cuz teh Bible sez so, it's because you think the invisble magical Jewish wizard did it in a particular way, IN SPITE of all evidence to the contrary. In short, if a God DID do it, you are rejecting the universe it created in favour of the baseless opinions of a bunch of ancient ignorant superstitious goatherders who thought the Earth was flat.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#72775 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Whether you like it or not, the bible is not fiction. Try another road.
Those characters of the bible are real, and they wrote about their histories and the past.
Did you try out and fail to get a role in "The Three Stooges"?

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