Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72772 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Poof poof!
It is in the Darwin's crowd thread under the evolution debate, are you denying that your bloody loser?
Too late!
I have no need to deny what you can't demonstrate.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72773 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> So, what is their mode of worship?
Who do they pray to?
Worship is not always necessary. It's about spiritual peace. I'd suggest go ask a buddhist but then you'd probably tell them how they're getting their own religion wrong anyway.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72774 Jan 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
"So you are presuming that it could not possibly"
the big bang. Where nothing exploded and created everything. Or as some now are changing it up to sound less ridicules claim that when a singular (that contained all matter in the cosmos and was no bigger then this period .) exploded S L O W L Y creating everything.
Ya this second explanation sounds way more plausible. One other thing. What made it explode?
It had been sitting there for most of an entirety then just on a whim it thought
"Hey let's try something different"?
Yes sir, you folks real have something to hang your hat on with that one.
I can see why with such a solid foundation as that you feel superior enough to call creationist crazy.
Actually no, creationists are called crazy not necessarily because they think an invisible magical Jewish wizard magically poofed into existence cuz the Bible iz troo cuz teh Bible sez so, it's because you think the invisble magical Jewish wizard did it in a particular way, IN SPITE of all evidence to the contrary. In short, if a God DID do it, you are rejecting the universe it created in favour of the baseless opinions of a bunch of ancient ignorant superstitious goatherders who thought the Earth was flat.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#72775 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Whether you like it or not, the bible is not fiction. Try another road.
Those characters of the bible are real, and they wrote about their histories and the past.
Did you try out and fail to get a role in "The Three Stooges"?
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#72776 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Dodge.
You have not addressed or answered the question.
Like i said, science have no answer in Godly matters.
I think Science did fairly well in designing modern sewage treatment systems. Except for the chemistry, it's more of an engineering thing though.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72777 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Playing to the gallery or dancing around the tree, we never solve any thing. You have no clue, whom God is.
When it comes to God, science is zero. Period.
I agree. Hence you have no clue either. You can only pretend to know otherwise, just like all the fundie Muslims, Sikhs, Jews and Hindus.

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#72778 Jan 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
We should not worry what Charles believes and don't understand. If he were a vicious person who follows the teachings of the bible, that's something to watch out for. It's people like him who needs to follow the bible and not someone ill-minded who will use it as a weapon against his enemies.
You really don't have anything meaningful to say here, because you lack the understanding of a professional.
You are an amateur.

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#72779 Jan 28, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, that again.
"I dunno."
"That proves Goddidit."
Hell of an argument there, son.
So, who put them there, is it big bang or what? Lol

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#72780 Jan 28, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
There are a number of very essential personages who are not attested to anywhere outside of the Bible. Times...they are a' changin'
If most of the biblical stories have been archaeologically verified, then the bible is a book of reliable history outside or inside the bible.

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#72782 Jan 28, 2013
Tinka wrote:
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Isn't that what History stands for the Past? Historics?
Definition of HISTORIC
: historical: as
a : famous or important in history <historic battlefields>
b : having great and lasting importance <a historic occasion>
c : known or established in the past <historic interest rates>
d : dating from or preserved from a past time or culture <historic buildings> <historic artifacts>
See historic defined for English-language learners
See historic defined for kids
Examples of HISTORIC
It's wonderful to see so many people here on this historic occasion.
She returned safely from her historic flight into space.
The court made a historic decision last week.
They know of many historic volcanic eruptions in the area.
the historic importance of the river
First Known Use of HISTORIC
1594
Related to HISTORIC
Synonyms: big, consequential, earthshaking, earth-shattering, eventful, important, major, material, meaningful, momentous, monumental, much, significant, substantial, tectonic, weighty
Antonyms: inconsequential, inconsiderable, insignificant, little, minor, negligible, slight, small, trifling, trivial, unimportant
Educative.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#72783 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> If most of the biblical stories have been archaeologically verified, then the bible is a book of reliable history outside or inside the bible.
Only people and places, it's easy to write about something after it happens and include it myths, most myths contain real places, people, and even events, they're still myths. By your logic, Spiderman exists.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72784 Jan 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
What makes you think a natural occurrence does not need any outside or external factors to bring about the natural processes?
Quantum physics. There is no *preceding* event prior to particle/anti-particle appearance in a vacuum, and under the axioms of quantum physics it's not necessary.

This is where the fundies use the god of the gap argument and say Goddidit, ignoring the hypocrisy of invoking such a cause which itself needs no cause.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72785 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Dodge.
You have not addressed or answered the question.
Like i said, science have no answer in Godly matters.
I did answer the question. You just didn't understand it.

Not that I'd expect you to understand quantum science when you can't even understand even basic scientific concepts.
Charles Idemi wrote:
How?
And who did it?
The specifics are not known yet. But you only assume a "who" is necessary. Since no "who" is necessary to make waves form in water it may be that the same applies to abiogenesis.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72786 Jan 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
It is if you do know.
You know diddly.
Langoliers wrote:
How about YEC?
Makes no diff.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72787 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Poor liar!
What brought about the natural occurrence?
There are no preceding events to quantum phenomena. Sorry.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72788 Jan 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Correction God created natural laws he doesn't use them. If it's done by nature then the credit goes to whom ever created nature or the laws of physics.
That would be God.
No, that would be the FSM.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72789 Jan 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
What many skeptics don't want to accept is that the mind can do so many things. If we all take out that skeptic radar we could be more advanced and be able to manipulate everything with our own minds and perhaps things or life on other planets. But no, they dismiss this stuff as pseudo-science. Whatever.
As soon as your telekinetic abilities pass the scientific method then the claims will be taken seriously.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72790 Jan 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Lastly, if not for archaeology some of the places people thought never existed, mentioned by the bible have been archaeologically verified.
London is a real place, just like Bethlehem, but the characters for Harry Porter are fictitious.
If mere archaeological evidence is all that's required, the ancient Egyptians got you beat. Big time.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72791 Jan 28, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
You are either lazy or a liar, which is it?
All the historians of the time record Jesus
Oh, that must be why no-one even mentioned Jesus until over 4 decades after his alleged death at the earliest. That's why Josephus never claimed Jesus existed and was only writing about the emerging Christian cult at the time, and his writings were later changed (writing style indicates probably Eusegus) to be more pro-Christian. Chucky on this thread tried the Pliny route, claiming Pliny the Elder actually met him. This was despite the fact that Pliny didn't even mention it and it was actually Pliny the Younger, who didn't actually meet Jesus, wrote about his Elder and claimed he met Him. In the meantime Jesus was running all over the Middle East performing magic tricks for everyone, and no-one bothered to even write it down for eight decades or so. Not even the Romans who were quite meticulous for keeping manuscripts, and amazingly they did not become Christian until a couple of centuries later.

Jesus may or may not have existed. Jesus may or may not have been magic. So far I'm willing to accept that a preacher guy called Jesus went around saying "Peace, man!"
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#72792 Jan 28, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, that must be why no-one even mentioned Jesus until over 4 decades after his alleged death at the earliest. That's why Josephus never claimed Jesus existed and was only writing about the emerging Christian cult at the time, and his writings were later changed (writing style indicates probably Eusegus) to be more pro-Christian. Chucky on this thread tried the Pliny route, claiming Pliny the Elder actually met him. This was despite the fact that Pliny didn't even mention it and it was actually Pliny the Younger, who didn't actually meet Jesus, wrote about his Elder and claimed he met Him. In the meantime Jesus was running all over the Middle East performing magic tricks for everyone, and no-one bothered to even write it down for eight decades or so. Not even the Romans who were quite meticulous for keeping manuscripts, and amazingly they did not become Christian until a couple of centuries later.
Jesus may or may not have existed. Jesus may or may not have been magic. So far I'm willing to accept that a preacher guy called Jesus went around saying "Peace, man!"
So If I go wandering around Ohio, passing my peeps in the street and saying "How's it hanging, dude?", what are my odds for being remembered for two thousand years and having people do awful things in my name?

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