Evolution vs. Creation

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72693 Jan 27, 2013
Nihilus Arterius wrote:
Evolution and Creation are both right in my opinion. Through science we can see how God did it.
Maybe.

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#72694 Jan 27, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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"if we found a computer on Mars that would be evidence that someone built it and put it there. Your design analogy fails as computers are not naturally occurring self-replicating organisms."

actually computers are being developed right now with organic materials which support that idea.
like I said...self evident, even by your standard.

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#72695 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>No, I keep asking for evidence and none has been presented so I am rightfully assuming you have none.
You keep asking for something you don't want. Interesting.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#72696 Jan 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Free to worship him in heaven or burn in hell? You have a strange notion of "freedom" Mikey.
Heaven will be beyond just worship, it will be the greatest love. To be apart from heaven and cast into outer darkness for eternity, is beyond terrible.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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#72697 Jan 27, 2013
Nihilus Arterius wrote:
Evolution and Creation are both right in my opinion. Through science we can see how God did it.
But....god didn't do it.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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#72698 Jan 27, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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I have lots of evidence it's called " The Bible".
With what we know about the Bible nowadays, you have no reliable evidence.

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#72699 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Saying "I don't know" is a lie to you? Your morality is very backwards.
Just answer the question if you have a sincere answer.

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#72700 Jan 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Many places in Harry Potter have been confirmed to be real too. England, London, even certain railroad depots. Just because a few places in the Bible can be shown to have existed does very little to give the book any credence.
Spiderman is real too according to the standards you have just given.
That does not say too much for your evidence.
You are again wrong.
Has archaeology verified the characters in Harry Porter's book? No!
Are there places people thought never existed been verified in Harry Porter? No!

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#72701 Jan 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Many places in Harry Potter have been confirmed to be real too. England, London, even certain railroad depots. Just because a few places in the Bible can be shown to have existed does very little to give the book any credence.
Spiderman is real too according to the standards you have just given.
That does not say too much for your evidence.
So conclusively, that does not say too much for your evidence.
Most biblical characters according to archaeology existed in true life bearing that same name unlike Spider man and Harry Porter. Liar!
You lost again.

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#72702 Jan 27, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
You chose Christianity out of all the religions in the world.
That was a guess, wasnÂ’t it?
Nope.

“what we think we become”

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#72703 Jan 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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No, if we found a computer on Mars that would be evidence that someone built it and put it there. Your design analogy fails as computers are not naturally occurring self-replicating organisms.
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"Design" is assumed. How exactly is "complexity" measured in your examples? I can quite easily provide you with examples of EXTREME complexity, made PURELY by natural forces. Of course you could demonstrate me wrong by providing evidence of the mechanisms used by your intelligent agent responsible for them.
Complexity alone does not necessarily indicate intelligence. And in fact may be the opposite of what you require. A designer wants things to be simple, easy to create, easy to repair. Complexity is a barrier to that.
Here's another reason why you're wrong. Someone has written "Hello there!" in the sand. The symbols involved are actually very simple. They were designed that way so they would be easy for people to remember when learning the language. Yet it's not likely that a combination of wind, rain and water would be able to make those shapes in the sand. But it's very easy for someone to just grab a stick and write it.
Nearby we can see some pretty repeating criss-cross shapes made in the sand. One might even describe them as more complex shapes than "Hello there!" Made by crabs, an unintended side-effect of the way they walk. But again easy for someone to imitate by just using a stick. However while we know that natural forces are incapable of creating one, we know that they are capable of creating the other.
It's not the alleged "complexity" of something that's important, but the mechanisms used to create those phenomena, and what they are capable of.
False analogy. If nothing is complex, then you would have an answer to how planets were exactly formed and be able to replicate them, let alone a universe, or can you? It's why you need an intelligent agent as a cause of how it created such complexity as the solar system, because then it would make your argument valid. Because only such intelligent agent would be able to 'easily' create or manipulate such complex system.

It may look like a crab or crabby in nature but then we already have the cancer constellation. lol

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#72704 Jan 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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What "debate" is that? There is none. The scientific community seem to be blissfully unaware of it.
Poof poof!
It is in the Darwin's crowd thread under the evolution debate, are you denying that your bloody loser?
Too late!

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#72705 Jan 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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There may be a sect which does something along those lines, but it's not the usual for Buddhism.
So, what is their mode of worship?
Who do they pray to?

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#72706 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>So you are presuming that it could not possibly happen through natural causes, in spite of us watching stars forming through natural means all the time.
"So you are presuming that it could not possibly"

the big bang. Where nothing exploded and created everything. Or as some now are changing it up to sound less ridicules claim that when a singular (that contained all matter in the cosmos and was no bigger then this period .) exploded S L O W L Y creating everything.

Ya this second explanation sounds way more plausible. One other thing. What made it explode?
It had been sitting there for most of an entirety then just on a whim it thought
"Hey let's try something different"?

Yes sir, you folks real have something to hang your hat on with that one.

I can see why with such a solid foundation as that you feel superior enough to call creationist crazy.

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#72707 Jan 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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And here I thought Bill Gates was an atheist.
Check it out. He may be in his dreams. Lol

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#72708 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>You have not provided any evidence that your god is real, so it is you who is a liar, not Alan.
The Bible.

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#72709 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Saying "I don't know" is a lie to you? Your morality is very backwards.
It is if you do know.

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#72710 Jan 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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I'm not being dishonest. I have not claimed to disprove God, never have, never will. Reason? Because it's a non-falsifiable, and therefore non-scientific concept. I've also never claimed that Christians say that God does not exist.
There are only two possibilities here: either you have difficulty in understanding what I am saying, or you're just another typical fundie liar for Jesus.
Not that it makes any difference to me which one you are.(shrug)
Playing to the gallery or dancing around the tree, we never solve any thing. You have no clue, whom God is.
When it comes to God, science is zero. Period.

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#72711 Jan 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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I have it for my position. And you can only dismiss it, not address it. Again, that ain't my problem.
Likewise.

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#72712 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Which was a philosophical colloquial ... nothing more. It proves nothing but it does assume that self awareness is attributed to intellect, which we know is a false equivocation.
No, it's widely accepted as the self awareness proof. You're simply wrong on this one too.

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