Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216623 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#72683 Jan 27, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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people in asia wopship buddha as a god every day. Along with other buddhist deities.
Like I said, some sects may do that, but it's not the standard view of Buddha.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#72684 Jan 27, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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in other words it's done with magic.
Nope. Simply a natural occurrence. However it may seem like magic to the incredulous.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#72685 Jan 27, 2013
altered state wrote:
<quoted text>We just seen evolution at a stand still. Thanks Kit! Lets pray there is a God!
Yep, Nano could be a case against natural evolution. lol

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#72686 Jan 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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No, if we found a computer on Mars that would be evidence that someone built it and put it there. Your design analogy fails as computers are not naturally occurring self-replicating organisms.
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"Design" is assumed. How exactly is "complexity" measured in your examples? I can quite easily provide you with examples of EXTREME complexity, made PURELY by natural forces. Of course you could demonstrate me wrong by providing evidence of the mechanisms used by your intelligent agent responsible for them.
Complexity alone does not necessarily indicate intelligence. And in fact may be the opposite of what you require. A designer wants things to be simple, easy to create, easy to repair. Complexity is a barrier to that.
Here's another reason why you're wrong. Someone has written "Hello there!" in the sand. The symbols involved are actually very simple. They were designed that way so they would be easy for people to remember when learning the language. Yet it's not likely that a combination of wind, rain and water would be able to make those shapes in the sand. But it's very easy for someone to just grab a stick and write it.
Nearby we can see some pretty repeating criss-cross shapes made in the sand. One might even describe them as more complex shapes than "Hello there!" Made by crabs, an unintended side-effect of the way they walk. But again easy for someone to imitate by just using a stick. However while we know that natural forces are incapable of creating one, we know that they are capable of creating the other.
It's not the alleged "complexity" of something that's important, but the mechanisms used to create those phenomena, and what they are capable of.


"if we found a computer on Mars that would be evidence that someone built it and put it there. Your design analogy fails as computers are not naturally occurring self-replicating organisms."

actually computers are being developed right now with organic materials which support that idea.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#72687 Jan 27, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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"if we found a computer on Mars that would be evidence that someone built it and put it there. Your design analogy fails as computers are not naturally occurring self-replicating organisms."
actually computers are being developed right now with organic materials which support that idea.
Organic materials is very ambiguous. There are a lot of organic materials in rocks, do you think that rocks are alive?

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#72688 Jan 27, 2013

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#72689 Jan 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Like I said, some sects may do that, but it's not the standard view of Buddha.
It's mainstream Asian practice.
Nihilus Arterius

Akron, OH

#72690 Jan 27, 2013
Evolution and Creation are both right in my opinion. Through science we can see how God did it.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#72691 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>It has confirmed places and some of the people, nothing to date has confirmed any of the supernatural crap in it. Until you have evidence to support that, it's all garbage, not different than a comic book or movie.
I have lots of evidence it's called " The Bible".
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#72692 Jan 27, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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"if we found a computer on Mars that would be evidence that someone built it and put it there. Your design analogy fails as computers are not naturally occurring self-replicating organisms."
actually computers are being developed right now with organic materials which support that idea.
Except they don't. The argument is simply this: If a human plants a seed in a plant pot then quite obviously all plants on Earth required an intelligence to plant them. This is despite the fact that plants have no trouble reproducing without us. And most plants are not intelligent.

"Humans make computers therefore someone made humans!" is pure argument via analogy. Unfortunately for creationists they don't rely on analogies to merely help EXPLAIN evidence (which is what analogies are for), they use them IN PLACE of evidence. Which is why they can never provide a single piece of direct evidence of their god's/intelligent designer's mechanisms, or even existence.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#72693 Jan 27, 2013
Nihilus Arterius wrote:
Evolution and Creation are both right in my opinion. Through science we can see how God did it.
Maybe.

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#72694 Jan 27, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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"if we found a computer on Mars that would be evidence that someone built it and put it there. Your design analogy fails as computers are not naturally occurring self-replicating organisms."

actually computers are being developed right now with organic materials which support that idea.
like I said...self evident, even by your standard.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#72695 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>No, I keep asking for evidence and none has been presented so I am rightfully assuming you have none.
You keep asking for something you don't want. Interesting.
FREE SERVANT
#72696 Jan 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Free to worship him in heaven or burn in hell? You have a strange notion of "freedom" Mikey.
Heaven will be beyond just worship, it will be the greatest love. To be apart from heaven and cast into outer darkness for eternity, is beyond terrible.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#72697 Jan 27, 2013
Nihilus Arterius wrote:
Evolution and Creation are both right in my opinion. Through science we can see how God did it.
But....god didn't do it.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#72698 Jan 27, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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I have lots of evidence it's called " The Bible".
With what we know about the Bible nowadays, you have no reliable evidence.

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#72699 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Saying "I don't know" is a lie to you? Your morality is very backwards.
Just answer the question if you have a sincere answer.

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Since: Apr 11

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#72700 Jan 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Many places in Harry Potter have been confirmed to be real too. England, London, even certain railroad depots. Just because a few places in the Bible can be shown to have existed does very little to give the book any credence.
Spiderman is real too according to the standards you have just given.
That does not say too much for your evidence.
You are again wrong.
Has archaeology verified the characters in Harry Porter's book? No!
Are there places people thought never existed been verified in Harry Porter? No!

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

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#72701 Jan 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Many places in Harry Potter have been confirmed to be real too. England, London, even certain railroad depots. Just because a few places in the Bible can be shown to have existed does very little to give the book any credence.
Spiderman is real too according to the standards you have just given.
That does not say too much for your evidence.
So conclusively, that does not say too much for your evidence.
Most biblical characters according to archaeology existed in true life bearing that same name unlike Spider man and Harry Porter. Liar!
You lost again.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#72702 Jan 27, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
You chose Christianity out of all the religions in the world.
That was a guess, wasn’t it?
Nope.

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