Evolution vs. Creation

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72532 Jan 27, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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On the contrary...the Universe screams of intelligence. Very self evident to an unbias observer.
Actually it's only "self-evident" to biased observers. Otherwise you'd be able to demonstrate your "self-evident" claims in an objective manner via the scientific method.

You can't.

That doesn't necessarily mean you're incorrect. It only means you're bullshitting everyone when you claim it's "self-evident".

But we all know how fundies do love to ignore the 9th Commandment.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72533 Jan 27, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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????...for the very reasons that you cite (touch, taste, feel, hear, etc)
...that is why I said that existence is self evident.
Ah, "existence, therefore God!"

In which case "God" could quite easily be non-intelligent natural forces. As so far the only intelligence that's observed is on planet Earth.

And even that's questionable.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72534 Jan 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> God is one where.
The difference are only in their mode of worship through deities, Jesus, Budha, etc.
Buddha is not worshipped. He is a guide, not a deity.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72535 Jan 27, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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I only argue that there an observable intelligent self evident process behind existence.
Incorrect. You PROCLAIM there is. You've never actually presented an argument to that effect.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72536 Jan 27, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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This was covered before...the concept is that God created time and space...therefore he is not subject to the limitation of time and space.
God would be of an infinite nature...or immortal.
By the same token the singularity is not necessarily subject to the limitations of spacetime either, rendering your god moot via Occam's Razor.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72537 Jan 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Bits, bytes, kilobytes, megabytes, gigabytes and terabytes can not come up without our complex brains. This is God's handiwork.
Not Microsoft?

:-/
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72538 Jan 27, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Just another Science cult.
Boy. Someone else who totally doesn't get it.

Not surprising though.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72539 Jan 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Where is your evidence that humans evolved without a creator or maker?
Why are you asking for what has already been presented numerous times which you will reject anyway no matter how much evidence there is anyway?

In short, why are you so dishonest?

And to point out AGAIN for the monumentally stupid people with extreme memory problems, the theory of evolution makes NO theological claims. It does NOT say whether or not (a) God was involved. Hence why both atheists and Christians accept evolution.

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#72540 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Read your bible, 90% of the bible is about killing.
LOL
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72541 Jan 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Do you really understand grammar? No one can create YAHWEH, because he is God almighty.
We understood the grammar. We don't understand illogical arguments.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72542 Jan 27, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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I made that point before...Time is a man made construct to measure change.It only exists as a concept...but not in nature.
Perhaps. But what IS certain is that the universe has different states. We experience these states in a progressive linear fashion, in what we perceive as "time". We therefore call time the fourth dimension.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72544 Jan 27, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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All thinking people have ideologies...fact.
That may be so. But just because you're incredulous of certain concepts doesn't automatically make them an "ideology". The theory of gravity is not an ideology. Neither is any other scientific concept. If there IS an ideology about science then it amounts to little more than a desire to figure out what makes the universe tick. And that's about it.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72545 Jan 27, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>You waste your time arguing with that one. She (at least I think it's a she) is totally intolerant of opinions different from her own. There are many intelligent people with differing views on creation vs. evolution and there are some very convincing sounding arguments from both sides. I personally hold to creationism, but I do respect the rights of others to disagree.
You're forgetting to take into account that Chuck in particular is not quite sane.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72546 Jan 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Again, if there is a no evidence of a creator, why do we create or give birth?
You can not rule out that possibility.
It's not ruled out. At all. Never has been. All you require is evidence. You don't have it.

“It's all about the struggle”

Since: Jun 10

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#72547 Jan 27, 2013
CTEd wrote:
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Their moral code is as good as yours, what's your point?
You are insane.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72548 Jan 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>You are the liar. You have no evidence but assertions.
Can anything come up on its own?
Yes. Particle/anti-particle pairs in a vacuum.

Keep in mind the hypocrisy of you using this argument. You demand everything "must" have a cause, except your proposal which has special exemption. I dispute that assertion.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72549 Jan 27, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Could you count the number of cells that make up your body and what would that have to do with anything? We are here and the Bible tells us why.
Slavery.

Since: Apr 12

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#72550 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>No, it's not self evident. We can touch, taste, feel, hear, etc .... that is called evidence.
So your existence is not self evidence?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72551 Jan 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Hogwash!
You have no answers. Period.
Go back to the drawing board. Birth is creation so, God the creator exist.
Cats have kittens therefore God exists?

Can't beat that.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#72552 Jan 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Waiting!!!
Your evidence against that please.
Since you have provided no evidence, none contradicting your assertions is required. Your assertions are thereby dismissed as mythology.

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